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Title: Lockheed F-104 Starfighter
Post by: MOTORISTA on March 28, 2011, 11:24:14 am
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Title: Re: Lockheed F-104 Starfighter
Post by: MOTORISTA on March 28, 2011, 11:29:59 am
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Title: Re: Lockheed F-104 Starfighter
Post by: MOTORISTA on March 28, 2011, 11:32:00 am
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Title: Re: Lockheed F-104 Starfighter
Post by: MOTORISTA on March 28, 2011, 11:33:46 am
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Title: Re: Lockheed F-104 Starfighter
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Title: Re: Lockheed F-104 Starfighter
Post by: MOTORISTA on March 28, 2011, 11:37:18 am
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Title: Re: Lockheed F-104 Starfighter
Post by: MOTORISTA on March 28, 2011, 11:38:52 am
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Title: Re: Lockheed F-104 Starfighter
Post by: momo PT61 on March 28, 2011, 08:57:56 pm
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Title: Re: Lockheed F-104 Starfighter
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Title: Re: Lockheed F-104 Starfighter
Post by: momo PT61 on March 30, 2011, 10:24:03 pm
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Title: Re: Lockheed F-104 Starfighter
Post by: momo PT61 on March 30, 2011, 10:28:49 pm
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Title: Re: Lockheed F-104 Starfighter
Post by: momo PT61 on March 30, 2011, 10:34:02 pm
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Title: Re: Lockheed F-104 Starfighter
Post by: Љуба on February 03, 2012, 02:47:22 am
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Title: Re: Lockheed F-104 Starfighter
Post by: Љуба on February 03, 2012, 02:48:29 am
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Title: Re: Lockheed F-104 Starfighter
Post by: Љуба on February 05, 2012, 09:30:41 pm
Mislio sam da postoji osnovni tekst o Lockheed F-104. pa sam hteo da dopunim sa jednim eksperimentalnim modelom. Neka sada bude ovako, a posle ćemo već napraviti celi članak ovog aviona, koji je obeležio jednu epohu razvoja lovačke avijacije.

Tragom ovog natpisa:

F-104CCV (control configured vehicle) 23+91 (http://www.916-starfighter.de/Large/Special/f104CCV5.htm) sa kanard kontrolisanim površinama.
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Prvi veštački stabilizovani, eksperimentalni avion F-104CCV, poleteo je 20.novembra 1980. u Manching (SRN) u okviru programa firme „Messerschmitt-Bölkow-Blohm (MBB)”, a na zahtev “Bundesministerium der Verteidigung” (German Federal Ministry of Defense).
To je bilo prvo poletanja u tzv E1 konfiguraciji, odnosno destabilizacije konfiguracija „patka krilo“ je montiran na trupu iza kabine.
Promene učinjene na F-104G Starfighter iskorištene su za testiranje kontrole leta CCV (Control Configured Vehicle).
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Zbog ispitivanja eksperimentalnog programa prirodna stabilnost aviona bila je neutralizovana.
Paralelno sa eksperimentima nastavljena je proizvodnja „normalne“ konfiguracije F-104, ipak sa očekivanjem, moguće primene u daljoj proizvodnji.
I ako je digitalizacija bila još daleko od masovne primene, "fly-by-wire" je već bio primenjivan na avionima nove generacije (F-16) pa je ovo bila neka alternativa, dakle zadržavanje aerodinamičkog rešenja „nestabilnosti“.

Sposobnost da se veštački izazove stabilna (kontrolisana) nestabilnost – ili upravljanje nestabilnom konfiguracijom aviona bio je preduslov za izradu novih vojnih i komercijalnih aviona, naredne  generacija i tada se smatralo da je to ključno područje u primeni novih tehnologija.
Tehnologija koja se koristi za CCV programa bila je polazna tačka za projektovanje i razvoj sistema kontrole leta na EFA - Eurofighter.

Kontrola leta u konfiguraciji CCV ostao je eksperimentalan, a kasnije se uz određene modifikacije primenjivao i na nekim drugim vazduhoplovima.

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Još nekoliko rečenica o ovom F-104G, koji je korišten u okviru programa F-104CCV:

Proizveden 11.jula 1963. po licenci u firmi Fokker pod brojem 683-10-19, a po vojnoj evidenciji KG+200 predat vazduhoplovstvu, kao lovac za sve vremenske uslove 23.avgusta 1963.
Do 14.aprila 1975. imao je 1.379 časova naleta. Preregistrovan je 4.decembra 1978 (po nekim podacima 27.septembra 1976.) u 98+36 i sa tim oznakom je leteo je do kraja trajanja projekta.
Celokupan projekat imao je tri faze i okončan je zadnjim letom 6.juna 1984 (po drugim podacima 17.aprila 1984.godine) a potom je 6.oktobra iste godine, avion premešten u “Wehrtechnisches Museum” u Koblenz, gde se i danas nalazi

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Title: Re: Lockheed F-104 Starfighter
Post by: Љуба on February 06, 2012, 02:10:03 am
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Title: Re: Lockheed F-104 Starfighter
Post by: MOTORISTA on October 07, 2015, 08:27:34 pm
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Title: Re: Lockheed F-104 Starfighter
Post by: kosmonaut on October 07, 2015, 10:57:45 pm
Uvijek sam se pitao da li su vrijedili zakoni aerodinamike za ovaj avion. Proporcionalno vecu povrsinu krila su tada imale ruske PA i PB rakete. Mislim da su ga zvali i leteci kovceg, prozvodjac udovica itd.


Title: Re: Lockheed F-104 Starfighter
Post by: Љуба on October 11, 2015, 12:13:45 pm
Uvijek sam se pitao da li su vrijedili zakoni aerodinamike za ovaj avion. Proporcionalno vecu povrsinu krila su tada imale ruske PA i PB rakete. Mislim da su ga zvali i leteci kovceg, prozvodjac udovica itd.
Da, da. Zvali su ga tako, ali mu je prikladnije stajao nadimak:
"motor sa nešto malo aviona oko sebe"

Ono napred spomenuto je vezano za njegovu upotrebu u Zapdnoj Nemačkoj.

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Title: Re: Lockheed F-104 Starfighter
Post by: topalovicdj on October 12, 2015, 02:54:48 pm
posle Italijana ima ga samo kod nas maketara
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Title: Re: Lockheed F-104 Starfighter
Post by: Jester on October 12, 2015, 03:12:49 pm
Naovodno su se ganjali 70ih preko Jadrana naši Migovi i ove rakete od Žabara :)


Title: Re: Lockheed F-104 Starfighter
Post by: kosmonaut on October 12, 2015, 06:50:31 pm
Ja samo znam da su na kraju USAF ovo uvalili saveznicima a sebi nisu ostavili ni jedan.


Title: Re: Lockheed F-104 Starfighter
Post by: MOTORISTA on October 13, 2015, 07:43:16 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wes81fBSc4E


Title: Re: Lockheed F-104 Starfighter
Post by: topalovicdj on October 13, 2015, 08:24:35 am
ali nisu ni svi saveznici isto prosli.SR Nemacka je imala ukupno 915 letelica sto je 35 posto svih proizvedenih.Pocetkom 60-tih su imali preko 2 udesa mesecno,1966 izgubili 61 avion i 35 pilota.Kanada drzi rekord sa vise od 50 posto izgubljenih od 200 jednoseda CF-104,dok Norveska ima samo 6 izgubljenih a Spanci niti jedan
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Title: Re: Lockheed F-104 Starfighter
Post by: MOTORISTA on October 13, 2015, 08:42:43 am
Belgijanci su izgubili 41 od 113, Nemci 292 od 916, Kanađani 110 od 238, Japanci 3 od 230, Italijani 137 od 360. Svi sem Japanaca i Španaca su ih leteli nisko i brzo, umesto da su ih leteli onako za šta su bili napravljeni, da lete visoko i brzo.


Title: Re: Lockheed F-104 Starfighter
Post by: Jester on October 13, 2015, 08:54:07 am
Dva hladnoratovska suparnika iznad Jadrana, jedan tip leti i dalje dok je drugi u penziji :)

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Title: Re: Lockheed F-104 Starfighter
Post by: Gazda on October 13, 2015, 09:42:57 am
Pa di si ovo izvukao??


Title: Re: Lockheed F-104 Starfighter
Post by: kosmonaut on October 13, 2015, 10:40:06 am
bogte 915 komada su im uvalili, 35% gubitaka, bolje bi prošli u zračnoj borbi u WW3 :pilot
Kako bi danas izgledala narudžba 915 komada Typhoon-a ?

Šta je još interesantno, sjedala se katapultiraju prema dole ! To je vrlo poželjno kada se nisko leti ???, pa su preporučivali da se avion okrene na leđa ako se namjerava katapultirati na maloj visini. Zar je toliko horizontalac na vertikalcu u T rasporedu mogao utjecati na ovakvu radikalnu koncepciju spašavanja ?!


Title: Re: Lockheed F-104 Starfighter
Post by: MOTORISTA on October 13, 2015, 11:42:39 am
Šta je još interesantno, sjedala se katapultiraju prema dole ! To je vrlo poželjno kada se nisko leti ???, pa su preporučivali da se avion okrene na leđa ako se namjerava katapultirati na maloj visini. Zar je toliko horizontalac na vertikalcu u T rasporedu mogao utjecati na ovakvu radikalnu koncepciju spašavanja ?!

To je bio na prototipovima i prvoj seriji pod oznakom F-104A, svi ostali su dobili normalna sedišta.

http://www.ejectionsite.com/f104seat.htm


Title: Re: Lockheed F-104 Starfighter
Post by: MOTORISTA on March 06, 2016, 09:24:24 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fChqJY9VzTU


Title: Re: Lockheed F-104 Starfighter
Post by: duje on March 06, 2016, 09:27:19 am
Dva hladnoratovska suparnika iznad Jadrana, jedan tip leti i dalje dok je drugi u penziji :)

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Mislim da je to slikano kasnije, možda griješim, čini mi se, da Mig ima na repu HR grb, a da su bili suparnici u vrijeme "hladnog rata" to stoji.


Title: Re: Lockheed F-104 Starfighter
Post by: MOTORISTA on March 06, 2016, 09:34:51 am
Lista nemačkih Starfajtera izgubljenih tokom službe.

http://www.916-starfighter.de/GAF_crashes.htm


Title: Re: Lockheed F-104 Starfighter
Post by: Jester on March 06, 2016, 12:55:10 pm
@duje

Da naravno slika je iz 90'-ih, no bilo je susreta sa Žabarima tj. sa njihovim "Starfighterima" i početkom 70'-ih i naganjanja preko Jadrana.


Title: Re: Lockheed F-104 Starfighter
Post by: Bozo13 on March 21, 2016, 09:11:06 am
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Title: Re: Lockheed F-104 Starfighter
Post by: Jester on March 21, 2016, 09:14:49 am
Blokovska podjela u jednoj slici, DDR kontra BDR ;

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Title: Re: Lockheed F-104 Starfighter
Post by: MOTORISTA on March 21, 2016, 11:56:33 pm
Blokovska podjela u jednoj slici, DDR kontra BDR ;

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Kakva bi ovo šorka bila... :P


Title: Re: Lockheed F-104 Starfighter
Post by: Dreadnought on May 10, 2016, 12:34:27 pm
Razglednica sa italijanskim F-104 G


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Title: Re: Lockheed F-104 Starfighter
Post by: Рашо on June 05, 2016, 07:52:34 pm
Сјајна!

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Title: Re: Lockheed F-104 Starfighter
Post by: pvanja on September 21, 2016, 12:52:03 pm
Dobra dokumentarac o ovom avionu

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xWF3xyU9MU


Title: Re: Lockheed F-104 Starfighter
Post by: Bozo13 on December 31, 2016, 12:54:20 pm
Naleteo na zanimljivo razmišljanje bivšeg Nemačkog pilota F-104

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“Better than...!”

I was a pilot of the German Luftwaffe in the 70-ties for a short period of time. My father flew Bf 109 in the WWII 1944/45.

I have flown with English, American, Italian, Swedish, Canadian and Turkish pilots. All these airborne forces flew the F 104 from Lockheed. I have personally learned that a plane is only the tool of a pilot. It really depends on how much experience, knowledge and courage a pilot wants to fly his plane.

An aircraft system consists of hundreds of factors that do not come from the dashboard. Maintenance, gasoline, rubber, gaskets, screws, carburetor, electronics, suspension, hydraulics and much more. Here Germany lost the war. In planning, tactics and leadership. Not with the pilots and the ME or FW.

In the personalities of the pilots lies the big difference of the combat unit man-plane. How far is a pilot going to his limits and how far does he go when he fights for his life?

The stupid discussions which were the better fighter aircraft are superfluous. The Luftwaffepiloten had to fly much more hours and came with experience from Spain. The Allied pilots were trained by experienced pilots and were in the excess.

The Spitfire, P 51 Focke Wulf 190 and the Bf109 were different but none was bad. It depended on the situation and the talent of the pilots, who in the end won.

Later, as a biker, I have experienced it again. I „won“ against almost every BMW with my Harley Davidson Road King in the Swiss mountains. Why? Because I knew the roads, the mountains and my bike with its limits. And I observed my oponents way of driving before I „attacked“ him.

Never underestimate; 1942 fought the British in their sky for their country and so did the Germans 1944/45. Today everybody knows in what condition the Luftwaffe was at the end of war and how close the RAF was to loose the battle for their country.


Title: Re: Lockheed F-104 Starfighter
Post by: gocemk on December 31, 2016, 03:15:12 pm
Германците не го сакаја ф-104 тие го сакаја  ракетниот британски авиони но одлуката на еден германски министер за одбрна и премиер беа набавени ф-104 па тука се појави афера дека локид си платил за лобирање кај германската влада.



Title: Re: Lockheed F-104 Starfighter
Post by: gocemk on January 28, 2017, 11:56:49 am
нулта лет

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVFFF-e1KA4


Title: Re: Lockheed F-104 Starfighter
Post by: MOTORISTA on November 10, 2017, 07:42:28 pm
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Title: Re: Lockheed F-104 Starfighter
Post by: Рашо on November 11, 2017, 01:44:54 pm
Наградно питање, колико Старфајтера видите на слици? ;D

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Title: Re: Lockheed F-104 Starfighter
Post by: MOTORISTA on November 11, 2017, 08:03:04 pm
Ceo gešvader. ;D


Title: Re: Lockheed F-104 Starfighter
Post by: Рашо on November 11, 2017, 08:49:14 pm
Ceo gešvader. ;D

Који? Јагд или ЈаБо? ;D


Title: Re: Lockheed F-104 Starfighter
Post by: MOTORISTA on November 11, 2017, 08:52:40 pm
JG 71 Richthofen?


Title: Re: Lockheed F-104 Starfighter
Post by: MOTORISTA on January 15, 2018, 10:49:37 pm
https://youtu.be/5jprrRRq4rc


Title: Re: Lockheed F-104 Starfighter
Post by: Gazda on January 18, 2018, 08:28:01 am
JG 71 Richthofen?
Ima svasta tu. Vidi se znak od JG 51 molders, na petom po redu. U svakom slucaju zanimljiva slika.


Title: Re: Lockheed F-104 Starfighter
Post by: Љуба on January 18, 2018, 09:33:39 pm
Lockheed F-104G Starfighter
25+28
Mislio sam da je preživeo te da se nalazi se u Lechfeld Air Base - ETSL
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Međutim, nema ga u popisu sačuvanih starfajtera, koji su pripadali Luftwaffe-u:

F-104F
29+03 – Deutsches Museum Flugwerft Schleissheim at Oberschleißheim in the northern suburbs of Munich.

F-104G
20+07 – Wernigerode.
20+37 – Luftwaffenmuseum der Bundeswehr at Berlin-Gatow
20+43 – Flugausstellung Hermeskeil.
20+45 – Aviation Museum Hannover-Laatzen at Hannover.
20+81 (painted as 23+81) – at the air base in Schleswig, Schleswig-Holstein, Germany
21+53 – Deutsches Museum at Munich
21+56 – Luftfahrt- und Technik-Museumspark Merseburg
22+45 – Wernigerode
22+49 – Sinsheim Auto & Technik Museum
22+58 – "Traditionsgemeinschaft JaboG-34", in Memmingen, Germany.
23+90 (Marineflieger) – Wernigerode
25+49 – Wernigerode (front fuselage only)
26+49 – Luftwaffenmuseum der Bundeswehr at Berlin-Gatow
26+53 – Technikmuseum Speyer
21+64 German Air Force – Hungarian Museum of Hungarian Aviation, Szolnok
21+71 German Air Force – stored with PS Aero at Baarlo
22+90 German Air Force – stored with PS Aero at Baarlo
24+63 German Air Force – stored with PS Aero at Baarlo, painted as 'D-8212' (Royal Netherlands Air Force)
26+02 German Air Force Schagen factory at Hasselt, Painted as "D-8029"
26+72 Marineflieger – stored with PS Aero at Baarlo
26+23 German Air Force – Air Museum of Spain, in Madrid
22+35 German Air Force – Bruntingthorpe airfield, England, 2016.
22+57 German Air Force – Bruntingthorpe Airfield, Leicestershire

F-104G-ZLL
DB+127 ZLL – Luftwaffenmuseum der Bundeswehr at Berlin-Gatow

F-104G-CCV
98+36 German Air Force – Wehrtechnische Studiensammlung Collection for studying military engineering, Koblenz

TF-104G
27+90 – Luftwaffenmuseum der Bundeswehr at Berlin-Gatow
29+06 – Luftwaffenmuseum der Bundeswehr at Berlin-Gatow

Љуба


Title: Re: Lockheed F-104 Starfighter
Post by: MOTORISTA on January 19, 2018, 08:14:38 pm
Malo Španaca.

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Title: Re: Lockheed F-104 Starfighter
Post by: Љуба on June 05, 2018, 09:22:35 pm
Čuveno sedište za izbacivanje na dole.
Zamisao je bila da će se bitke voditi visoka, te da i nije važno kako će (na koju stranu) pilot iskočiti. Praksa ih je demantovala. Dosta pilota je poginulo katapaltirajući se na maloj visini.

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Title: Re: Lockheed F-104 Starfighter
Post by: MOTORISTA on January 29, 2019, 07:03:03 am
Celih 13 komada.

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Title: Re: Lockheed F-104 Starfighter
Post by: kosmonaut on January 29, 2019, 09:21:33 am
Čije su ovo oznake, slabo su vidljive?


Title: Re: Lockheed F-104 Starfighter
Post by: MOTORISTA on January 29, 2019, 09:46:08 am
Ne znam, izgleda kao da je crveni krug unutar plavog.


Title: Re: Lockheed F-104 Starfighter
Post by: relja on January 29, 2019, 11:10:43 am
Čije su ovo oznake, slabo su vidljive?

Kanada

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Title: Re: Lockheed F-104 Starfighter
Post by: kumbor on January 29, 2019, 01:30:07 pm


Koliko znam, Kanada je u svojoj fabrici AVRO Canada sklapala svoje F-104, pod nazivom CF-104.


Title: Re: Lockheed F-104 Starfighter
Post by: MOTORISTA on May 14, 2019, 08:56:01 pm
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Title: Re: Lockheed F-104 Starfighter
Post by: Љуба on May 14, 2019, 10:47:11 pm


Koliko znam, Kanada je u svojoj fabrici AVRO Canada sklapala svoje F-104, pod nazivom CF-104.
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Avione Lockheed F-104 Starfighter, u Kanadi proizvodila je licencno firma "Canadair Ltd" pod oznakom  Canadair CF-104 Starfighter (interna fabrička oznaka je CL-90; dok je prvobitna vojna oznaka bila CF-111).
Avion je u osnovi sličan modelu F-104G, ali je proizvodnja shodno zahtevu Royal Canadian Air Force (RCAF), uključivala i neke osobenosti. Prvi let kanadskog CF-104 (s / n 12701) izveden je 26. maja 1961. Proizvodnja Canadair CF-104 je iznosila 200 aviona za sopstvene poptrebe, kao i dodatnih 140 F-104G proizvedenih za Lockheed.

Canadair je naknadno dobio ugovor za proizvodnju krila, sklopova repa i zadnjih delova trupa za  još 66 aparata pod oznakom "Lockheed F-104G" za potrebe "Luftwaffe".

Љуба


Title: Re: Lockheed F-104 Starfighter
Post by: MOTORISTA on June 05, 2019, 03:10:34 pm
F-104G CCV

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F-104G-CCV

To develop technology to make aircraft more manouvrable the MBB company in Germany modified an F-104G into a CCV (Computer Controlled Vehicle) and made it very instable by putting a lot of weight in the back. An extra tail wing was mounted behind the cockpit and special computer systems were added to the avionics for testing and control purposes. The information gathered was used during the development of the Tornado and Eurofighter aircraft. Currently this aircraft can be found inside a German museum.