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Ratna mornarica => Operativa => Topic started by: Dreadnought on October 25, 2008, 12:12:31 pm



Title: Tenderi (veliki remorkeri) JKRM
Post by: Dreadnought on October 25, 2008, 12:12:31 pm
Tenderi, ili kako su ih još zvali veliki remorkeri Jugoslovenske Kraljevske ratne mornarice su podelili sudbinu, padanja u zaborav, najvećeg broja mornaričkih pomoćnih brodova. O njima je jako malo pisano, tako da je njihova vredna i tiha služba ostala gotovo nezabeležena, daleko od "svetala i slave" kojom su, ponekad sasvim nezasluženo, bili ovenčani ratni brodovi. Neki od remorkera su ostavili daleko veći trag u istoriji od sjajnih i uglancanih ratnih brodova, a da njihov rad u pozadini, nikada nije nagrađen.

Tenderi su specijalni, posebno građeni brodovi, osposobljeni za tegljenje, spasavanje i pružanje pomoći drugim brodovima. Uglavnom su se koristili za pomoć velikim brodovima, tegljenje većih brodova između dve luke, spašavanje brodova oštećenih u nevremenu ili ratnim akcijama i dr. Imali su jake pogonske motore sposobne da povuku brod mnogo veči od njih samih. Bili su opremljeni jakim pumpama, vitlima, manjim kranovima i drugom opremom namenjenoj spasavanju i tegljenju brodova.


Tenderi u ratnoj mornarici Kraljevine SHS (Jugoslavije)

Kraljevini SHS je pod uticajem italijanskog mešetarenja na Mirovnoj konferenciji u Parizu početkom decembra 1919 godine od celokupne Austro-Ugarske flote pripao mali broj inferiornih jedinica među kojima je bilo 5 većih remorkera (tendera) i veći broj manjih remorkera. Sudbina mornarice je ostala neizvesna sve do sklapanja Rapalskog ugovora 12. novembra 1920. godine, kojim je određena granica između Italije i Kraljevine SHS, a brodove koji su pripali Kraljevini, mornarica je preuzela tek 04.03.1921. godine.

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Mornarici SHS (kasnije Jegoslavije) je pripalo 5 većih bivših Austro-Ugarskih remorkera (tendera).

To su bili: Moćni (ex Gigant, 260t), Silni (ex T-200, 200t), Snažni (ex T-105, 100t), Ustrajni (ex T-162, 160t), Marljivi (ex Vermač, 130t). Ovi brodovi su bili izgrađeni u Riječkom brodogradilištu Ganz & Co. Danubius i Stabilimento Tecnico Triestino iz Trsta, tada najvećim Austro-Ugarskim brodogradilištima koji su gradili brodove za AU ratnu mornaricu.

Velikim remorkerima je ubrzo pridružen još jedan tender igrađen 1915 godine u britanskom brodogradilištu Smith's Dock Co. koji je kupljen od ruskih emigranata pod imenom "Car Dušan" (Tsar Dushan). Imao je deplasman od 370 t. Uvršten je u flotu KJRM kao tegljač pod imenom '' Jaki ''.

"Moćni" i "Silni" su poznati kao prvi brodovi koji su 1918 godine istakli zastavu države SHS (Slovenaca, Hrvata i Srba, koja nije isto što i kasnija Kraljevina Srba, Hrvata i Slovenaca i koja je postala sastavni deo Kraljevine nakon ujedinjenja) i kao prvi brodovi koji su, uz Savezničko odobrenje, nosili savezničku zastavu i obavljali razne prevoze po Boki i izvan nje dok je sudbina flote bila razmatrana. Prvi komandant "Silnog" je bio Mirko Pleiweiss, poznati oficir JKRM, kasnije KKB na raznim visokim funkcijama u mornarici.

Na dan predaje brodova od strane saveznika novoj državi, Mirko Pleiweiss je bio prvi komandant broda koji je razvio Jjuugoslovensku zastavu a "Silni" prvi brod pod novom zastavom. Kasnije, tokom godine, Mirko Pleiweiss je postao komandantom većeg remorkera "Moćni", koji je to doživeo kao veliko unapređenje jer su tada ta dva broda bili još uvek jedini brodovi nove mornarice koji su plovili pod jugoslovenskom zastavom.

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"Moćni" i "Silni" su pripadali Komandi Boke Kotorske, odnosno njenoj Mornaričkoj saobraćajnoj komandi.
Njihove posade su bile kombinacija vojnih lica i civila. Remorkeri su bili opremljeni jakim pumpama i mazivom kojim su vršili spasavanje nasukanih i ugroženih brodova. Poznat je slučaj kada je remorker "Moćni" spasao i oteglio parobrod "Cement" za Šibenik.

Tenderi su bili "radni konji" mornarice. Tokom dvadesetih i tridesetih brodovi su bili maksimalno iskorištavani i učestvovali su u spasavanju mnogih brodova, prevozili su trupe, poštu, namirnice ... Često su korišteni za specijalističke kurseve gde su prevozili oficire drugih rodova vojske.

Tokom 1936 godine, nakon gotovo 40 godišnje službe, iz flote je povučen tender "Moćni" zbog zastarelosti te je ubrzo izrezan. Od belgijskog brodogradilišta Cockerill je naručen novi tender koji je dobio isto ime "Moćni".

Zajedno sa tankerom "Perun" koji je bio građen u istom brodogradilištu tokom 1939 godine je krenuo na put za Jugoslaviju. Dok je "Perun" šlepovao "Moćnog" i jednu baržu sa dva člana posade, došlo je zbog lošeg vremena do nesreće i "Moćni" je potonuo 40 milja severoistočno od Vilana 29 maja 1939 godine. Dvočlana posada je spašena herojskom akcijom belgijskog motornog broda M/S "Moanda".

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U Aprilskom ratu nisu uzimali većeg učešća osim tendera "Silni". Na čudan način, voljom sudbine ponovo su se ukrstili putevi "Silnog" i KBB Mirka Mirka Pleiweissa koji je tada bio komandant pomorske odbrane sa sedištem u Selcu. Pleiweiss je naredio PBB Leonhu, komandantu "Silnog", koji je do tada učestvovao u spasavanju jednog parobroda pogođenog neprijateljskom avionskom bombom, da otplovi u zaliv Šilo i da obavesti komandante tamo usidrenih parobroda da se svi parobrodi odmah i bez odlaganja potope, a da u slučaju oglušenja komandanata o naređenje pristupi potapanju brodova.

Nakon uspešno izvršenog zadatka, "Silni" se sa ukrcani ljudstvom povlačio ka jugu gde je kod baterije Sv.Juraj napušten od posade i potopljen. Kasnije je bio izvučen i korišćen od italijana dok nije bio potopljen u Puli 1943 godine. Ostale tendere su takođe zarobili italijani i koristili za svoje potrebe.


Title: Re: Tenderi (veliki remorkeri) JKRM
Post by: Dreadnought on November 10, 2008, 08:48:47 am
Svi veliki remorkeri JKRM su bili dobri brodovi. Pošto su bili tegljači, dobro su se držali na moru pa čak i u slučaju velikih talasa i nemirnog mora.


Moćni

"Moćni" je bio izgrađen 1899 godine i imao je deplasman 260t. Bio je dugačak 33m, širok 6,4m, imao je gaz 2,8m. Imao je mašine od 300 k/s koje su dozvoljavale maksimalnu brzinu od 11 Mi/s i akcioni radijus od 544 Mi. Imao je posadu od 26 članova a bio je naoružan sa jednim topom kalibra 47mm L/44 i jednim mitraljezom 8mm.

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Silni

"Silni" je bio izgrađen 1914 godine, deplasmana 200t. Bio je dugačak 35m, širok, 5,5m a gaz mu je bio 3,5m. Imao je mašine snage 620k/s, razvijao je maksimalnu brzinu 10 Mi/s, dok mu je akcioni radijus bio 500 Mi.
Bio je naoružan sa dva topa 47 mm L/44 i jednim mitraljezom 8mm. Posadu je činilo 19 članova.

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Snažni

"Snažni" je izgrađen 1917 godine. Imao je deplasman 100t, dužinu 25m, širinu, 5,75m, gaz 2,85m. Motori snage 630k/s su razvijali maksimalnu brzinu od 10 Mi/s a akcioni radijus mu je bio 630 Mi.
Bio je naoružan sa dva mitraljeza 8mm. Imao je 14 članova posade.

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Ustrajni

"Ustrajni" je bio izgrađen 1915 godine i imao je deplasman 160t. Bio je dugačak 39m, širok 5,5m, a gaz mu je bio 2,5m. Imao je 12 članova posade. Motori su bili snage 250k/s, sa najvećom brzinom od 9 Mi/s pri akcionom radijusu od 900 Mi. Bio je naoružan sa dva mitraljeza od 8mm.

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Marljivi

"Marljivi" koji je bio najstariji od svih, je bio izgrađen 1898 godine. Imao je deplasman od 130t, bio je dugačak 37m, širok 5m a gaz je bio 3m. Mašine su imale 300k/s, najveću brzinu od 12 Mi/s a akcioni radijus 750 Mi.

Imao je 20 članova posade a bio je naoružan sa 2 topa kalibra 47mm L/44.

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Jaki

"Jaki" je izgrađen 1915 godine. Bio je najveći od svih tendera. Imao je deplasman od 370t, dužinu od 42m, bio je širok 6,7m a gaz mu je bio 2m. imao je motore snage 1200k/s a maksimalnu brzinu od 15 Mi/s.

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Title: Re: Tenderi (veliki remorkeri) JKRM
Post by: jadran2 on September 22, 2009, 09:27:34 pm
Evo "Silnog" snimljenog 1931.g. oko Dobrike.

Svojedobno A-U oznake T-200, porinut u pulskom arsenalu 1914-15, 205 t istisnine. Od 4/41 "Pertinace", potopljen u Puli 9/43.

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Title: Re: Tenderi (veliki remorkeri) JKRM
Post by: jadran2 on September 22, 2009, 09:28:34 pm
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Title: Re: Tenderi (veliki remorkeri) JKRM
Post by: jadran2 on September 24, 2009, 08:34:33 pm

Hvala Dreadnoughtu za lijepu retrospektivu pomocnih, a vrijednih brodova.

Mozda da spomenem konacnu sudbinu, samo za neke od njih, gore ne spomenutu - koliko sam uspio sakupiti :

- "JAKI" - njegovu genealogiju sada znamo u potpunosti, navodno je vidjen krajem 1943.g. na Malti, dalje nemam trag, ako uvazeni clanovi
             imaju neke podatke, bilo bi dobro da zaokruzimo cjelinu,

- "MARLJIVI" - koristen u tal. RM kao "Diligente", 03/45 vracen. Rashodovan 1970-ih godina. Mijenjao oznake R-23, PR-56, PP-21,

- "USTRAJNI" - pod nazivom "Duraturo" koristen u tal. RM, vracen 8/45, rashodovan 1957,

- "SNAZNI" - pod nazivom Resistante" vracen 03/45, rashodovan 1959.     


Title: Re: Tenderi (veliki remorkeri) JKRM
Post by: brodarski on September 26, 2009, 03:59:56 pm
Moćnog nema na popisu, a novi Moćni je potonuo na putu iz brodogradilišta u Jugoslaviju.


Title: Re: Tenderi (veliki remorkeri) JKRM
Post by: marinero on December 12, 2009, 11:40:30 pm
Ima li igdje fotografije tog nesretnika koji je potonuo na putu iz brodogradilista u YU ? Bilo bi to zanimljivo vidjeti....


Title: Re: Tenderi (veliki remorkeri) JKRM
Post by: brodarski on December 13, 2009, 08:52:16 am
Možda u kojoj Jadranskoj straži ima nacrt tog Moćnog. Sliku nikad nisam vidio.


Title: Re: Tenderi (veliki remorkeri) JKRM
Post by: jadran2 on December 13, 2009, 09:39:25 am
Prije nekoliko godina na jednom zapadnom forumu

http://www.maritime-information.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5&sid=f0268e6f44c5e8a3f39fb672ec5bf25a

jedan od ucesnika pohvalio se da ima crteze/fotografije, ali ih nazalost nikada nije postavio; samo brodogradiliste je prije skoro 30 g. bankrotiralo.


Title: Re: Tenderi (veliki remorkeri) JKRM
Post by: ZastavnikDjemo on December 13, 2009, 11:22:53 pm
Prije nekoliko godina na jednom zapadnom forumu

http://www.maritime-information.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5&sid=f0268e6f44c5e8a3f39fb672ec5bf25a

jedan od ucesnika pohvalio se da ima crteze/fotografije, ali ih nazalost nikada nije postavio; samo brodogradiliste je prije skoro 30 g. bankrotiralo.

Ako je tako, cela arhiva tog brodogradilišta bi trebala da bude pohranjena negde, moraću da se raspitam. Sada je na mestu tog brodogradilišta izgrađena nova palata pravde u Antverpenu. Izvinite za offtopic.


Title: Re: Tenderi (veliki remorkeri) JKRM
Post by: jadran2 on December 13, 2009, 11:55:05 pm
Zastavnice, svaka pomoc je dobrodosla.


Title: Re: Tenderi (veliki remorkeri) JKRM
Post by: Dreadnought on May 24, 2010, 03:59:12 pm
Kolor razglednica tendera Marljivi (ex vrmac) dok je bio u KuK službi ...


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Za ovu sliku smo zahvalni našem brodarskom  ;)




Title: Re: Tenderi (veliki remorkeri) JKRM
Post by: Dreadnought on August 16, 2010, 04:21:13 pm
Tender "Marljivi" snimljen u Kotoru ... Snimak naprevljen 1939. godine.


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Title: Re: Tenderi (veliki remorkeri) JKRM
Post by: Dreadnought on August 16, 2010, 04:37:10 pm
"Snažni" u Kotoru ... Ovo je jako uvećani detalj jedne razglednice, te je stoga malo lošije kvalitete.


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Title: Re: Tenderi (veliki remorkeri) JKRM
Post by: Dreadnought on February 09, 2011, 04:11:09 pm
Dve fotografije sa posadom tegljača Jaki, snimljene na samom brodu.

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Izvor: www.kolekcionari.com





Title: Re: Tenderi (veliki remorkeri) JKRM
Post by: brodarski on May 22, 2011, 10:38:33 pm
Car Dušan u izvornom obliku.


Title: Re: Tenderi (veliki remorkeri) JKRM
Post by: jadran2 on June 05, 2011, 11:05:05 am
 :klap :klap :klap


Title: Re: Tenderi (veliki remorkeri) JKRM
Post by: mali od palube on June 11, 2011, 11:22:52 am
Možda u kojoj Jadranskoj straži ima nacrt tog Moćnog. Sliku nikad nisam vidio.
Evo ga jedan zanimljiv crtež...


Title: Re: Tenderi (veliki remorkeri) JKRM
Post by: jadran2 on June 11, 2011, 11:32:19 am
Kakva izvanredna otkrica!  :D :klap :klap


Title: Re: Tenderi (veliki remorkeri) JKRM
Post by: Dreadnought on June 11, 2011, 12:44:17 pm
Više nego zanimljiv crtež.  :klap

Ovo je zaista vredno otkriće. Prvi put vidimo kako je izgledao novi tender Moćni.
I lepo se u planu vidi da ga je izgradio brodogradilište Cockerill iz Belgije.

Držarene, možeš li skenirati celu legendu u donjem desnom uglom plana?


Title: Re: Tenderi (veliki remorkeri) JKRM
Post by: Dreadnought on June 11, 2011, 04:23:45 pm
Ovaj plan me je podsetio na par fotografija snimljenih na tenderu Ustrajni.


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Title: Re: Tenderi (veliki remorkeri) JKRM
Post by: Dreadnought on July 05, 2011, 03:45:41 pm
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Title: Re: Tenderi (veliki remorkeri) JKRM
Post by: mali od palube on October 22, 2011, 06:01:50 pm
Marljivi: projekat rekonstrukcije krmenog nadgrađa
Prostor za dame i ukazno osoblje...
Šta će dame na tenderima???


Title: Re: Tenderi (veliki remorkeri) JKRM
Post by: mali od palube on October 22, 2011, 06:02:30 pm
Evo još:


Title: Re: Tenderi (veliki remorkeri) JKRM
Post by: Akagi77 on December 31, 2011, 12:59:43 pm
Tender Mocni je kao glavnu zadacu imao prijevoz osoblja po Boki, djece u skolu, oficire i dame s jednog mjesta na drugo /shopping, koncerti i sl.)... Pricao mi je sin jednog oficira da su svakog dana isli s Marljivim u skolu i poslijepodne natrag.


Title: Re: Tenderi (veliki remorkeri) JKRM
Post by: mali od palube on June 15, 2012, 07:16:52 pm
na poleđini je podatak da se radi o pripadnicima sokolskog društva na palubi "Marljivog".
Slikano u Boki...


Title: Re: Tenderi (veliki remorkeri) JKRM
Post by: marinero on June 15, 2012, 07:55:19 pm
A topce je upadljivo slicno onome zardjalome koji drzis ispred tvog radnog mjesta.... ;)


Title: Re: Tenderi (veliki remorkeri) JKRM
Post by: mali od palube on June 15, 2012, 07:56:45 pm
 ne bih znao :-X


Title: Re: Tenderi (veliki remorkeri) JKRM
Post by: mali od palube on June 15, 2012, 07:57:00 pm
liči na jedan kojeg sam vidio


Title: Re: Tenderi (veliki remorkeri) JKRM
Post by: marinero on June 15, 2012, 08:00:10 pm
Lafet je definitivno isti, a i ostatak mi djeluje vrlo slicno... Ovaj na slici je doduse, u malcice boljem stanju nego onaj "tvoj".... ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Tenderi (veliki remorkeri) JKRM
Post by: marinero on June 16, 2013, 09:45:03 pm
Za Boku veoma bitan brod - "Marljivi" kao poslijeratni pomoćni brod PP-21 JRM. Ovdje je slikan pred Tivtom 1958 godine, a u operativnoj upotrebi je bio do 1966 kada je izrezan u staro željezo...



Title: Re: Tenderi (veliki remorkeri) JKRM
Post by: brodarski on June 21, 2013, 10:41:24 pm
Ako se ne varam Jaki snimljen iz lijepog i čistog kuta. Komad brodića.


Title: Re: Tenderi (veliki remorkeri) JKRM
Post by: Рашо on December 06, 2013, 03:55:44 pm
Јефто Станковић, командант "Марљивог"...

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Човјек који је мртвог Милана Спасића довезао до Мељина.


Из архиве Зорана Мартинетија.


Title: Re: Tenderi (veliki remorkeri) JKRM
Post by: Suzcs on January 07, 2014, 10:15:30 pm
Hello to everyone, my name is Danilo, and I live in Spain. Congratulations for this topic: it's very interesting! My grandfather was serving on board of the ship Jaki/Poderoso from november 1942 to march 1945, when the ship was returned from the Italian Navy to the Yugoslav Navy. Unfortunately, about this ship there is very little information, so I'm very very grateful to the authors of this topic. From many years I'm looking for news about the history of the ship when my grandfather was serving in the II WW. Unfortunately I don't understand the croatian language: could you summarize me the news about the ship Jaki/Poderoso in english, spanish or italian language? The ship Jaki was commissioned in the 1915 (from the russian family that lived in Russia) with the name of "Tsar Dushan", and then the ship was sold to the Yugosav Navy and it changes the name in "Jaki", right? So, this ship was originally russian, and then it became yugoslavian? The Russian soldiers used the ship in the I WW?
Thank you very much in advance for your help.
Danilo


Title: Re: Tenderi (veliki remorkeri) JKRM
Post by: MOTORISTA on January 07, 2014, 11:16:51 pm
Hello and welcome on board.

Jaki was built in 1915 in UK ( Smith's Dock Co.) and after the war it was bought by Russian emigrants in Yugoslavia for Yugoslav Royal Navy.


Title: Re: Tenderi (veliki remorkeri) JKRM
Post by: Suzcs on January 08, 2014, 12:40:02 am
Many thanks.  :) So, the ship Jaki was named "Tsar Dushan" when the russian emigrant bought it? Do you know when it changed its name in Jaki?


Title: Re: Tenderi (veliki remorkeri) JKRM
Post by: marinero on January 12, 2014, 05:24:52 pm
Jedan incident sa JAKIM...



Title: Re: Tenderi (veliki remorkeri) JKRM
Post by: Dreadnought on January 15, 2014, 08:01:29 pm
Po starim novinama i magazinima se može svašta interesantnog pronaći. Tako, magazin "Ilustovani list" u broju 51 za 23.12.1923. godine donosi fotografiju tendera "Snažni" sa sledećim potpisom:

"Naš tender "Snažni" u arsenalu u Tivtu, na popravci".



Title: Re: Tenderi (veliki remorkeri) JKRM
Post by: brodarski on January 15, 2014, 08:09:23 pm
Prvi put vidim Snažnog. Odlično! Čestitam starom tragaču zlatnih grumenja.


Title: Re: Tenderi (veliki remorkeri) JKRM
Post by: Suzcs on January 18, 2014, 03:24:46 am
Jedan incident sa JAKIM...

Marinero, thank you very much for that! :) It is very interesting! :) Can you tell me exactly which book shows this news? Do you know in what year happened this incident? Maybe 1941? :)




Title: Re: Tenderi (veliki remorkeri) JKRM
Post by: jadran2 on January 18, 2014, 05:42:26 am
Evo detalja...

Yard SMITH'S DOCK COMPANY LTD., SOUTH BANK
Name    Z1 MEG
Type    Admiralty Whaler
Yard Number    641
Launched    29/05/1915
Completed    07/1915
Off. Number    
Engine builder    
Engine type    T. 3cyl.
GRT    237
Length (feet)    125
Beam (feet)    25
First owner    The Admiralty (for transfer to the French Navy on completion)
     
History    22/07/1915 transferred to the French Navy and named MEG after the wife of her commander, Jean Charcot
     13/01/1916 returned to the Royal Navy and renamed ZEDWHALE
     02/1920 sold to Yugoslavia Express Agency Ltd. and in April registered at London as merchant ship TSAR DUSHAN
     1924 Deleted from UK registry and removed from Lloyd's Register. She was transferred to Royal Yugoslavian Navy and became naval tug JAKI.
     1941 In April taken over by Italians (Regia Marina) as a war prize and renamed PODEROSO
     1945 On March 25th returned to Yugoslavian Navy and name reverted to JAKI
     1945 On December 25th renamed R 1 by Yugoslavian (Communist) Navy
     1949 On May 18th renamed PR 11 LUBIN
     
Fate    1958/1959 Stricken from the fleet list and broken up

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H.M.S. MEG
(fotografiju postavio ranije Brodarski)


Title: Re: Tenderi (veliki remorkeri) JKRM
Post by: jadran2 on January 18, 2014, 05:56:35 am
Jos malo
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Title: Re: Tenderi (veliki remorkeri) JKRM
Post by: Suzcs on January 18, 2014, 02:23:58 pm
Wow! :) Thanks a lot to all! :) Very very interesting! :) If there are people with more informations o new photos, posted please! :)


Title: Re: Tenderi (veliki remorkeri) JKRM
Post by: jadran2 on January 18, 2014, 03:10:49 pm
Jedan od petnaestorice iz iste klase.
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Title: Re: Tenderi (veliki remorkeri) JKRM
Post by: marinero on January 19, 2014, 09:51:36 am
Jedan incident sa JAKIM...

Marinero, thank you very much for that! :) It is very interesting! :) Can you tell me exactly which book shows this news? Do you know in what year happened this incident? Maybe 1941? :)




Sucz, the quote You are interested in is from the "Mornarički glasnik" publication, a two-monthly magazine od the ex Yugoslav Navy, which, unfortunately, You can not find anywhere on the web, scanned and published as PDF file. You can, however, find some of the magazine copies offered on sale via ebay or web sites like www.kupindo.com, or www.limundo.com. This particular text is from the number II, 1978. Regards!


Title: Re: Tenderi (veliki remorkeri) JKRM
Post by: Suzcs on January 19, 2014, 05:18:27 pm
Jedan incident sa JAKIM...

Marinero, thank you very much for that! :) It is very interesting! :) Can you tell me exactly which book shows this news? Do you know in what year happened this incident? Maybe 1941? :)

Sucz, the quote You are interested in is from the "Mornarički glasnik" publication, a two-monthly magazine od the ex Yugoslav Navy, which, unfortunately, You can not find anywhere on the web, scanned and published as PDF file. You can, however, find some of the magazine copies offered on sale via ebay or web sites like www.kupindo.com, or www.limundo.com. This particular text is from the number II, 1978. Regards!

Thank you very much for your reply!  :) About this particular text, could you tell me, exactly, the article and the author, and the pages inside this magazine? I would like to record that. Thank you in advance! :)


Title: Re: Tenderi (veliki remorkeri) JKRM
Post by: jadran2 on January 22, 2014, 06:14:22 pm
Kr. brod "Silni"; 1928/29. Posada i komandant.
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Title: Re: Tenderi (veliki remorkeri) JKRM
Post by: marinero on January 29, 2014, 10:36:51 pm
Dear Suzcs,
The cover page of the publication You are interested in is attached below and the name of the article is "Pomorski udesi II dio" (Maritime Accidents - second part" by captain (retired) Slobodan Petrovic, page 228.
Since You are interested in the "JAKI", I have to mention that I know an old man (I think he is 97 now), he lives here in Tivat, and he  served on the "JAKI" in 1940-41 as a conscript. He was a singalist onboard and he told me that during his service on the "JAKI" he traveled along the Yugoslav coast of the Adriatic Sea, performing various duties, mainly supplying the isolated navy outposts on islands and towing other naval vessels. He was onboard the "JAKI" when World war II broke in Yugoslavia on April 6-th, 1941. His vessel had the task of operating (opening and closing) the anti-submarine barrier in Kumbor strait in Boka Kotorska Bay which consisted of a large towing wire with anti-torpedo nets attached to it. On the day the war commenced in the early morning of April 6-th, the "JAKI" was caught by surprise by the italian airplanes that attacked Boka Kotorska Bay, but suffered no damage and no casulties. The ship was moored in Kumbor, but had not had the steam pressure attained in quantity sufficient enough for the ship to get underway immediately, so she survived the first aerial attack motionless. Later, the steam pressure was achieved in order to get underway, and she sailed towards Pijavica cape in Bijela where a shipyard now exists. She spent there the entire April war till the capitulation of Yugoslav forces on April 16-th. The man who I told You about earlier,then, together with one of his friends, left the ship, and carrying an rifle and some ammo, departed on foot towards his home place in Ozrinići near Nikšić, some 100 kilometre away from Boka. He got there safely, hid the rifle, and took it again in his arms when he joined the uprisal in Montenegro on 13-th of July, 1941. He then joined the yugoslav partisan forces and fought with them in all of the ex Yugoslavia, till the war ended in May 1945.

Jedan incident sa JAKIM...

Marinero, thank you very much for that! :) It is very interesting! :) Can you tell me exactly which book shows this news? Do you know in what year happened this incident? Maybe 1941? :)

Sucz, the quote You are interested in is from the "Mornarički glasnik" publication, a two-monthly magazine od the ex Yugoslav Navy, which, unfortunately, You can not find anywhere on the web, scanned and published as PDF file. You can, however, find some of the magazine copies offered on sale via ebay or web sites like www.kupindo.com, or www.limundo.com. This particular text is from the number II, 1978. Regards!

Thank you very much for your reply!  :) About this particular text, could you tell me, exactly, the article and the author, and the pages inside this magazine? I would like to record that. Thank you in advance! :)


Title: Re: Tenderi (veliki remorkeri) JKRM
Post by: Suzcs on January 31, 2014, 12:44:25 am
Dear marinero,

thank you so much for your patience with me! :) Your news are very very interested for my investigation.

So, the ship Jaki was in Bijela when the italian captured it?

Also, if it is possible, I would like to ask you the name of the old man of Tivat that served in the ship Jaki untill april 1941 (also by private message): his testimony is very interesting, so I would like to record it with his name as ex Jaki's soldier, to record his name in the future. But only if the old man agree, off course.

Many tanks in advance for your time that you spent for me.
Best regards
Danilo


Title: Re: Tenderi (veliki remorkeri) JKRM
Post by: marinero on January 31, 2014, 01:31:20 pm
No problem Suzcs,
The name of the man in question is Ivan Vulanović, he is a retired major (naval technical branch) and lives in Tivat. And yes, the "JAKI" was in Bijela when italian forces captured her.



Title: Re: Tenderi (veliki remorkeri) JKRM
Post by: Suzcs on January 31, 2014, 11:28:00 pm
Many tanks for your reply. :)
Loooking in internet I found some photos and news about the ship Jaki and an ex-soldier:

http://www.kolekcionari.com/showthread.php?t=7591&highlight=Jaki

If I understud well the croatian language, the ex-soldiers was in service in the ship Jaki when the italian arrived, and he was captured by the italians...probably he was an associate of Mr. Ivan Vulanovic.  :)


Title: Re: Tenderi (veliki remorkeri) JKRM
Post by: mali od palube on January 31, 2014, 11:30:44 pm
Nope!


Title: Re: Tenderi (veliki remorkeri) JKRM
Post by: Suzcs on March 01, 2014, 12:48:06 am
Unfortunately I don't understand well the croatian language of the paragraph of the magazine posted by Marinero; I tried to help me with some on-line translator but without success. :( :(
Someone could make me an english translation? Thanks a lot in advance. Also I speak spanish language and franch language. :)
Here the paragraph:


Nasukanje remorkera Jaki kod Sv. Katarine, pre rata. Remorker Jaki je vozio iz Sibenika za severni Jadran. Bila je tiha letnja noc, bez mesecine, vidljivost dobra, pa su se svetionici opazali na udaljenostima, kako to pise u Popisu svetionika. Brod se oko ponoci priblizavao o. Katarina, na kome se nalazio crveni svetionik. Oficir straze, po nekom ustaljenom shvatanju i potpuno nemarno, smatrao je da sve sto je crveno treba ostaviti levo, pa je uzeo kurs izmedu o. Katarine i Biograda i nasukao se u plicaku.


Title: Re: Tenderi (veliki remorkeri) JKRM
Post by: marinero on March 05, 2014, 05:43:57 pm
The JAKI tug grounding at St. Catherine island, before the war ( the author refers to the Worl War Two). The tug JAKI wa sailing from Sibenik to northern Adriatic. It was a calm summer night, with no Moon, visibility was good, so the lighthouses were visible just as it is mentioned in the List of Lihgts publication. At about midnight, the vessel approached the island of St. Catherine on which there was a red light placed. The officer on watch, by some common practice and completely recklessly, considered that he should pass the red light with ship`s  port side, so he took course in between the island of St.Catherine and Biograd, and grounded the ship in shallow watter.


Title: Re: Tenderi (veliki remorkeri) JKRM
Post by: Suzcs on March 06, 2014, 09:01:03 pm
Thank you very much marinero!!  :)  :) I had sent you a private message.  :)


Title: Re: Tenderi (veliki remorkeri) JKRM
Post by: marinero on May 18, 2014, 08:58:10 pm
Tender JAKI, ne mogu da sa sigurnošću odredim gdje je ovo slikano, a napomena na poledjini fotke slikane sredinom dvadesetih godina prošlog vijeka je "Komandant šporke flotile" ! ;D :marinero


Title: Re: Tenderi (veliki remorkeri) JKRM
Post by: Suzcs on June 30, 2014, 04:46:57 pm
Thank you very much for your contribution.  :) Where have you found it? I had sent you a private message.  :)


Title: Re: Tenderi (veliki remorkeri) JKRM
Post by: Jester on June 30, 2014, 05:00:38 pm
Ovako na prvu izgleda mi na Divulje pa sad  ::)


Title: Re: Tenderi (veliki remorkeri) JKRM
Post by: jadran2 on June 30, 2014, 07:47:28 pm
Nekako mi vuce na ......jedan otok


Title: Re: Tenderi (veliki remorkeri) JKRM
Post by: ML on June 30, 2014, 09:00:37 pm
Da lupim, Kaštel N.,


Title: Re: Tenderi (veliki remorkeri) JKRM
Post by: marinero on July 01, 2014, 01:01:17 pm
I have found it in a private photo archive of a family of an old Royal Yugoslav Navy officer which was among the first ex Austro-Hungarian navy personnel that was taken in service by the new Yugoslav navy. Unfortunatelly, there is no record exactly where and when this photo of the JAKI was taken....


Title: Re: Tenderi (veliki remorkeri) JKRM
Post by: jadran2 on July 01, 2014, 06:13:49 pm
Molo je najmanje odamdeset metara duljine.....i ona kucica na sredini...


Title: Re: Tenderi (veliki remorkeri) JKRM
Post by: Suzcs on July 02, 2014, 09:08:23 am
Many thanks marinero!  ;) ;)


Title: Re: Tenderi (veliki remorkeri) JKRM
Post by: marinero on October 26, 2014, 02:38:10 pm
CAR DUŠAN (JAKI) uvelikom mandraću tivatskog Arsenala.



Title: Re: Tenderi (veliki remorkeri) JKRM
Post by: marinero on November 09, 2014, 09:09:57 pm
SNAŽNI u Kotoru.



Title: Re: Tenderi (veliki remorkeri) JKRM
Post by: jadran2 on April 03, 2016, 04:27:29 pm
"Marljivi" i dio posade
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Title: Re: Tenderi (veliki remorkeri) JKRM
Post by: marinero on April 14, 2017, 03:50:56 pm
Nacrt nesrećno stradalog tendera MOĆNi iz 1939.


Title: Re: Tenderi (veliki remorkeri) JKRM
Post by: Dreadnought on December 08, 2019, 09:05:15 am


Koji bi ovo tender mogao biti?  

Marljivi? Snažni?


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"Ukrcavanje na tender pred polazak na for "Oštro", Meljina 3/IX 1925. god."


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Title: Re: Tenderi (veliki remorkeri) JKRM
Post by: MOTORISTA on December 08, 2019, 09:34:01 am
Po vetrolovkama bih rekao da je Marljivi.