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Pred vama se nalaze flotne liste svetskih mornarica. Ovo je projekat koji smo započeli polovinom godine i sada smo rešili da ga objavimo jer smatramo da smo sakupili dovoljno zanimljivog materijala. Same flotne liste nisu završene jer ima još toliko mornarica da se obradi. Primetićete da su sve flotne liste zaključane, to je zbog jednostavnog razloga da ne bi došlo do remećenja samih flotnih lista. Sve svoje primedbe, zamerke, pohvale i predloge možete postovati ovde, u ovoj temi, ili se obratite privatnom porukom moderatorima. Nadamo se da će vam se dopasti i da će te uživati.

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pozdrav
Ja imam oko 100 giga materijala svih ratnih mornarica,pa ako zelite kakve specificne slike,mogu potrazit.Ako trebate sta,pisite mi na pm.

Hvala Alfa, naravno da će nam trebati...

  Da li može Pomoć???Treba mi Flotna Lista  SUDANSKE RM.Da li neko ima ?Ustvari radi se o nekim Brodovima sa tri osovinska voda ,oko pedesetak metara dužine i oko šest širine.Kako sam razumeo ,valjda su neke TOPOVNJAČE Kineskog porekla.
    Hvala

Prema onome što ja imam, Sudanska RM ima samo dva veća plovila koja je dobila od Irana još 1975 godine.

  Da li je ovo za šta pitam sada stiglo odnekle ??? Inače neki brodovi su u Port Sudanu u remontu.Mislim da ću ja iščačkati nešto više.PAZI  Sudan ima mornaricu!!!???Po običaju treba mi da idemo da im remontujemo brodove( he,he) kad smo naj Best!!!Mislim da su da li dobili ili kupili i Dpk od Nemaca.

Videćemo, iščačkaćemo nešto.

" DOK od Nemaca " Treba da prave brodogradilište pa se opremaju.

Na netu sam iskopao ovu sliku, na kojoj je "navodno" Sudanski brod.

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Ovaj brod dosta podseća na BMR (nije BMR ali liči), a top na pramcu liči na jugoslovenski M.51 20mm.

JRM je sredinom 60-tih godina intezivno sarađivala sa Sudanom - zapravo pružala tehničke usluge i edukaciju sudanskim pomorskim kadrovima.

U posebno oformljenom školskom centru, čiji je prvi zapovednik bio kf Božidar Luša obučavani su kadeti prijateljskih nesvratsanih zemalja. Odred se sastojao od starih PBR tipa Kraljevica i MTOP tipa Higgins, koji su po završenoj obuci većinom bili i isporučeni tim zemljama. U odredu MTOP, na kojima su obučavane i sudanske posade, bile su MTOP-168, 169, 171 i 174. Luka baziranja bila je Tivat. Kbb Kreclović je kao komandujući odreda MTOP vodio je obuku 4 sudanske posade, a sudasnki k-dant odreda zvao se kk Kalafala. Moguće je da su pomenute MTOP nakon obuke završile u Sudanu, mada Kreclović to ne navodi direktno u svojoj knjizi.

  EXKLUZIVA!!!
  Za sada ne pitajte odakle su slike i kako sam došao do njih.

ODLIČNE fotografije!  :klap
Vidim, održavanje im i nije jača strana. Kakvi su utisci?
Pozdrav!

Nisam sreo zemlju u Africi koja odrzava svoju RM na pristojan nacin, osim RM JAR odmah nakon aparthejda i nesto RM Ghane. Ostalo bas skromno, negdje sa znanjima, negdje sa resursima, a negdje oboje

JAR je (bila) priča za sebe, ipak su to (dijelom) Europljani ...

Imao sam i imam prilike dnevno ses retati sa ljudima u poslu cije je background sluzba u nekoj od RM svijeta.

Bez lazne skromnosti, usporedjivanjem, mogu reci da po znanju i organizacioni sposobnostima prednjace ljudi sa nasih prostora, pogotovo iz bivse RM.
Nasi ljudi imaju samo jedno prokletstvo, skloni su kopati jamu jedni ispod drugih, sto za druge nije karakteristika, pa kao zajednica bolje kotiraju.

A mi smo i dalje sposbni individualci bez sposobnosti sinergickog udruzivanja.

Zato nas i nema na Flotnim listama.

Držim da naši ljudi imaju nešto više od samo jednog prokletstva, zato su nam države i organizirane kako jesu. A ta sklonost kopanja jama jednih ispod drugih, naravno odnosi se na rovokopačke radove unutar pojedinačnih naroda, po mogućnosti i samih njegovih regionalnih djelova. Možda su tu - glede Hrvata - tek istani iznimka, odnosno, najmanje zlo ... O ostalima bolje i ne pričati ...
   

Skloni učinkovitim improvizacijama ... koje ozbiljan svijet nešto i ne razumije ...

  Radi se o 5 komada ovih plovila koje su  dobili -kupili od Kine ili neznam od koga.Trebalo bi to remontovati a za posle će se videti.Navodno da su im NEMCI I HOLANĐANI UVALILI dosta polovnih civnilih brodova pa bi im trebao remont istih.

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  Listajući reference brodogradilišta našao sam da su za SUDAN građeni Patrolni brodovi
 1 Gihad      N.G.124
 2 Harrija     N.G.125
 3 Instrigal   N.G.126
 4 Shaab     N.G.127
  Svi 1961 godine
 
  Za Libiju
 1 Arraid     N.G.139
 2 Tarik      N.G. 140
  1963 godine
  Ima neko neki podatak više?
 

Svi ovi brodovi su građeni u brodogradilištu Jozo Lozovina-Mosor. Sudanski su bili deplasmana 90t, a Libijski 95t. To je to, drugih podataka za sada nema.

 Da na njihovoj referentnoj listi sam ih našao.Gledao sam od 45 pa naovamo.

  Remont brodova u Sudanu završen. Odrađene su probne vožnje . Čeka se odluka šta dalje ?

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Nakon 25 godina sluzbe u Royal Navy iz operativne upotrebe je povucen nosac zrakoplova "Ark Royal"
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HMS Ark Royal makes her final return to Portsmouth

 

Fleet flagship HMS Ark Royal returned to her home port of Portsmouth for the final time today (December 3), ending 25 years of service to the Royal Navy across the globe.

The aircraft carrier is being decommissioned early next year and sailed into Portsmouth Naval Base following a brief farewell tour of the UK and a stopover in Hamburg.

In keeping with tradition she flew a decommissioning pennant.

Her role as the current Royal Navy flagship will initially be taken on by amphibious assault ship HMS Albion.

Ark Royal’s farewell voyage took her around the north of Scotland and on into Newcastle where she was built by Swan Hunters at Wallsend.

“There is no question that there is a certain amount of sadness attached to this final deployment,” said Commanding Officer, Captain Jerry Kyd.

“But it is also an opportunity for us to celebrate the Silver Jubilee of this fine ship and for us to show her off once more.

“She has played a very important role throughout her history and we have always been lucky enough to draw great affection and support from the British public wherever we go.

“For me, personally, I have been exceptionally proud to serve as her Captain – my very first job after finishing my initial officer training 25 years ago at Dartmouth was in the then brand new HMS Ark Royal. It is therefore a great honour for me to be able to command her farewell tour as her last Captain.

“I am very fortunate to be at the helm of an exceptional crew, whose professional skills will be re-allocated and valued in the wider Royal Naval service, long after the ship herself has been decommissioned – so her work and memory will continue to serve the Royal Navy well.

“I am only too aware that this famous ship and her iconic name mean so much to so many, but although Ark Royal will be decommissioned, the Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers are vastly more capable and provide the Royal Navy with an exciting future.”

The fifth vessel to bear the proud name, Ark Royal was launched by Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother on 20 June 1981, accepted into service on July 1 1985 and commissioned on November 1985.

During her busy life the ship has seen service around the globe and has shown her adaptability from the original role as an anti-submarine helicopter carrier designed for the Cold War through to the Commando helicopter and carrier strike role of recent years.

Ark’s operations have included playing a pivotal part of the NATO campaign during the Bosnia conflict and, in early 2003, leading the UK’s naval forces during Op Telic – the invasion of Iraq, with a fleet of helicopters embarked.

In 2010, HMS Ark Royal has led a large multi-national task force during Operation Auriga and, this year alone, has demonstrated versatility operating a wide range of aircraft, including Joint Force GR9 Harrier jets, US Marine Corps, AV8B Harrier jets, as well as Chinook, Apache, Sea King, Merlin and Lynx helicopters.

 

https://www.paluba.info/smf/rm/kraj-nosaca-aviona-hms-ark-royal/

На жалост, не видим ту листе руске морнарице  :o

Eто задатка за тебе :)

 :o :o :o

Не могу да отворим нову тему, одмах видим грешку.

Mora da može. Šta ti navodi kao grešku?

http://ruskarec.ru/articles/2012/11/30/kompletan_sastav_ratne_mornarice_ruske_federacije_18439.html

ево података од самих руса. вероватно да ви који сте познаваоци морнарице знате и много прецизније, али за почетак добро је и ово.

Sva moć Američke ratne mornarice u jednoj grafici

U smislu nosivosti ali i tehničke superiornosti, Američka ratna mornarica je najveća i najnaprednija pomorska sila na svetu.

Mogućnosti i dometi Američke mornarice dodatno su unapređeni i osnaženi vojnim savezima kao što je NATO gde SAD igra ključnu ulogu.

Oksonica mornarice SAD i glavni adut američke vojske u svetu svakako je nosač aviona. SAD trenutno ima 10 nosača u svojoj floti, daleko više od bilo koje druge nacije na svetu.

Indija, koja trenutno gradi svoj treći nosač, druga je po broju ovih plovila na svetu.

Druga velika prednost Američke ratne mornarice jeste što u svojoj floti ima i balističke nuklearne projektile i podmornice spremne za napad.

Ova plovila u stanju su da rade mesecima između obnavljanja zaliha i da funkcionišu istovremeno kao nuklearna zastrašujuća sila i da love neprijateljske brodove i podmornice.

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Izvor: businessinsider

EDIT: Pošto je originalni grafik u ogromnoj rezoluciji pa samim tim i ''težak'' 3.5mb ovde je link do original slike (https://i.imgur.com/awVKTLr.png)

Još jedna grafika , flotna lista mornarice SAD 2017. Pogledati pdf (http://www.raytheon.com/capabilities/rtnwcm/groups/public/documents/image/2017-ships-pdf.pdf) jer je ogromna rezolucija .

Impresivno!

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Italian Navy (Marina Militare)

The Italian Navy in 2017 (updated) consists of the following warships:

2.  aircraft carriers (Cavour, Giuseppe Garibaldi)
4.  destroyers (Andrea Doria, Caio Duilio, Luigi Durand de la Penne, Francesco Mimbelli)
14. frigates (Carlo Bergamini, Virginio Fasan, Carlo Margottini, Carabiniere, Alpino, Luigi Rizzo, Grecale, Libeccio, Scirocco, Euro, Espero, Zeffiro, Bersagliere, Aviere)
6.   corvettes (Urania, Sfinge, Driade, Chimera, Fenice, Sibilla)
8.   submarines (Salvatore Todaro, Scirè, Pietro Venuti, Romeo Romei, Primo Longobardo, Gianfranco Gazzana Priaroggia, Salvatore Pelosi,Giuliano Prini)
10. offshore patrol vessels (Comandante Cigala Fulgosi, Comandante Borsini, Comandante Bettica, Comandante Foscari, Sirio, Orione, Cassiopea, Libra, Spica, Vega)
3.  landing platform docks (San Giusto, San Giorgio, San Marco)
12. minehunters (Gaeta, Termoli, Alghero, Numana, Crotone, Viareggio, Chioggia, Rimini, Vieste, Milazzo)
3.  logistic support vessels (Etna, Stromboli, Vezuvio)
1.  SIGINT ship (Elettra)
1.  submarine rescue ship (Anteo)
4.  patrol coastal boats (Esploratore, Sentinella, Vedetta, Staffetta)
11.  minelayer and coastal transport boats (Gorgona, Tremiti, Caprera, Pantelleria, Lipari, Capri, Ponza, Levanzo, Tavolara, Palmaria, Procida)
4.  coastal oilers (Panarea, Favignana, Linosa, Salina)
16.  fighters operating from the aircraft carriers
50. approximately ASW/TH helicopters

and large numbers of auxiliary vessels

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Royal Norwegian Navy (Sjøforsvaret)

The Royal Norwegian Navy in 2015 will consist of the following warships:

5. frigates (Fridtjof Nansen, Roald Amundsen, Otto Sverdrup, Helge Ingstad, Thor Heyerdahl)
6. submarines (Ula, Utsira, Utstein, Utvær, Uthaug, Uredd)
6. fast attack missile crafts (Skjold, Storm, Skudd, Steil, Glimt, Grist)
4. minehunters (Oksøy, Karmøy, Måløy, Hinnøy)
4. minesweepers (Alta, Otra, Rauma, Gomma)
1. logistic support vessel (Valkyrien)

and some auxiliary vessels

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Royal Netherlands Navy (Koninklijke Marine)

The Royal Netherlands Navy in 2017 (updated) consists of the following warships:

6 frigates (De Zeven Provinciën, Tromp, De Ruyter, Evertsen, Van Amstel, Van Speijk)
4 submarines (Walrus, Zeeleeuw, Dolfijn, Bruinvis)
4 offshore patrol vessels (Holland, Zeeland, Friesland, Groningen)
1 joint logistic support ship (Karel Doorman)
2 landing platform docks (Rotterdam, Johan De Witt)
6 minehunters (Makkum, Schiedam, Urk, Zierikzee, Vlaardingen, Willemstad)
1 logistic support vessel (Pelikaan)
1 submarine support ship (Mercuur)
2 hydrographic survey ships (Snellius, Luymes)

and a variety of auxiliary vessels

Zna li netko organizaciju Turske i Grčke mornarice krajem 80ih

Greek and Turkish Navies 1988

 

Sources:

-"Amyntika Themata" (Defense Affairs), Greek journal, April 1989

- "PTISI" (Flight), Greek journal, April 1988

- wikipedia

- Navies of the West, Bernard Ireland, Ian Allan, London 1984

 

I. Hellenic Navy

20000 personnel including 12000 conscripts

 

1. Organization

 

a) General Staff and subordinate Commands

 

                          |

                            ------- Fleet Headquarters (Salamis-CO: Vice Admiral)

                          |

                           ----- Naval Training Command (CO: Rear Admiral-Skaramangas)

                          |

                           ----- Logistics Command (CO: Rear Admiral - Athens )

                          |

                           ----- Aegean Sea Naval Command ( Piraeus -covering the entire sea

border with Turkey )

                          |

                           ----- Northern Greece Naval Command ( Thessaloniki -

coasts and harbors of Thessaly and Northern Greece )

  |

   ----- Ionian Sea Naval Command (Patras - coasts and

harbors of Western Greece )

 

Note, that in contrast to current practice my sources for 1988 indicate that the 3 naval commands were directly subordinate to the General Staff and not to the Fleet Headquarters. These commands were responsible for maritime surveillance and coastal defense in their area using a network of surveillance facilities and coordinating with local Coast Guard units.

 

b) Fleet Headquarters and subordinate Commands

 

Fleet Headquarters

                            |

                            ----- Destroyer Command (CO: Commodore)

                           |            |

                           |            --- Destroyer and Frigate Flotillas (CO: Captain)

                           |

                           --------- Fast Attack Craft Command (CO: Captain-commands all                                                                     

|               missile, torpedo and patrol boats)

|

-------- Submarine Command

|

-------- Landing Ship Command

|

------- Mine Warfare Command

|

--------Naval Helicopter Command

 

Note: the 32nd Marine Brigade is an Army formation and the 353rd Naval Aviation Support Squadron was an Air Force unit but with Naval officers and NCOs as observers

 

c) Naval Training Command and subordinate Commands

 

Naval Training Command

                                        |

                                         -- Naval Officer Cadet School ( Piraeus )

                                        |

                                         -- Underwater Demolition Unit (Skaramangas- with several

                                        |          Underwater Demolition Teams)

                                        |

                                         --- Palaskas Training Center (Skaramangas) (recruit and

                                        |                                     specialties training)

                                        |

                                        --- Kanelopoulos Training Center (Skaramangas) (recruit and

                                        |                                     specialties training)

 

                                        |

                                         --- Sakipis Training Center ( Salamis ) (machinery training)

                                        |

                                         --- Poros Training Center (Poros) (NCO training)

 

d) Logistics Command and subordinate Commands

   

Logistics Command

                               |

                                --- Salamis Naval Base (main base of the Fleet)

                               |

                                --- Crete Naval Base ( Souda Bay - mainly for repairs)

 

Note: There were also two Naval Stations in Crete and Corfu , as local support facilities, both directly subordinate to the General Staff.

 

2. Equipment (class in italics, country code indicates design origin of ship originally build for Greece or in Greece , "ex-" indicates ships transferred from other navies)

Submarines 4 U209/1200 DE ,4 U209/1100 DE, 1 Guppy III Tench ex-US, 1 Guppy IIA Balao ex-US

Frigates: 2 Kortanaer NL

Destroyers (all ex-US): 6 Gearing FRAM I, 1 Gearing FRAM II, 1 Allen M. Sumner FRAM II, 4 Fletcher (+4 decomissioned Fletcher in reserve)

Destroyer Escorts: 4 Cannon ex-US

Missile Boats: 6 Combattante IIIA FR, 4 Combattante III FR, 4 Combattante II FR, 2 Esterel FR (as patrol boats)

Torpedo Boats: 6 Jaguar/Seeadler (ex-DE), 4 Tjeld/Nasty NO

Coastal Patrol Boats: 3 Panagopoulos/Goulandris class GR

Landing Ships and Landing Craft: 1 LSD Cabildo ex-US, 2 Terebonne Parish ex-US LSTs, 3 LST-1 ex-US, 2 LST-511 ex-US,  5 LSM-1 ex-US, 70 landing craft including 8 LCU, 2 LCT, 13 LCM, 34 LCVP, 14 LCP, 7 LCA

Minelayers: 2 MMC class (ex LSM-1, ex-US)

Minesweepers: 9 MSC-294 Falcon, 5 Adjutant (US, ex-BE)

Support Ships: 1 Electronic Warfare Ship (Otter ex-DE), 1 Depot ship Rhein (ex-DE), 2 fleet and 4 coastal oilers, 2 Water Tankers, 1 Ammo Ship and several training, hydrographic ships, support craft and tug boats.

ASW Helicopters: 10 Agusta Bell AB 212, 4 Allouette III

II. Turkish Navy

55000 personnel including 42000 conscripts

 

Note: Since my sources are mainly Greek, the information given here will probably be less accurate and complete

 

1. Organization

 

a) Subordinate Commands:

General Staff ( Ankara )

    |

    |-Fleet Command (Gölcük Naval Base - includes destroyer,

    |  submarine, fast attack craft, mine warfare and helicopter commands)

    |

    |-Northern Sea Area Command (Istanbul-probably responsible for the Straits, Black Sea and

    |     fleet repair base)

    |

    |- Southern Sea Area Command ( Izmir- probably responsible for Mediterranean )

    |

    |-Naval Training Command ( Istanbul )

 

b) Naval Bases (list not complete):

-Gölcük Naval Base

- Mersin naval Base

- Iskederun Naval Base

- Erekli Naval base

 

Note: In Turkey Marines belong to Navy and at that time there was a Marine Regiment of 3 Btlns and a Amphibious Support Btln

Turkish Navy has an air arm; at that time it included two squadrons, see below under "equipment"

 

2. Equipment (class in italics, country code indicates design origin of ship originally build for Turkey or in Turkey , "ex-" indicates ships transferred from other navies)

Submarines 6 U209 DE , 2 Guppy III Balao ex-US, 5 Guppy IIA Balao ex-US, 2 Guppy IIA Tench ex-US, 2 Tang ex-US

Frigates: 2 Berk TU, 2 Köln ex-DE, 4 MEKO 200 DE (commissioned 1 mid July 87, 1 early February 88, 1 end July 88, 1 end July 89)

Destroyers (all ex-US): 6 Gearing FRAM I, 2 Gearing FRAM II, 2 Carpenter FRAM I, 1 Allen M. Sumner FRAM II, 1 Robert H. Smith, 2 Fletcher (both decommissioned  1987)

Missile Boats: 6 Dogan (Lürssen FPB-57, DE), 9 Kartal (modified Jaguar, DE)

Torpedo Boats: 5 Jaguar (ex-DE) 7

Coastal Patrol Boats: 2 Asheville ex-US, 6 PC 1638 ex-US, 4 PGM 71 ex-US, 1 Girne (Lazaga ES), 18 various types (incl 11 ex USCG 83-footer cutters)

Landing Ships and Landing Craft: 2 Terebonne Parish ex-US LSTs, 2 LST-1 ex-US, 1 LST Cakabey TU, 2 LST Sarukabey TU, 29 LCT, 13 LCU, 20 LCM

Minelayers: 1 Falster ex-DK, 6 coastal minelayers (ex LSM-1)

Minesweepers:  12 Adjutant MSC-268 and MSC-294 Falcon (9 ex-US, 2 ex-FR, 1 ex-BE) 6 Vegesack ex-DE, 4 Gaspe/Bay ex-CA, 8 YMP ex-US, 4 MCB -MSI Cape ex-US

Support Ships: 1 Depot ship Rhein (ex-DE), 6 coastal oilers, 3 Ammo Ships and over 90 training, hydrographic ships, support craft and tug boats.

Aircraft: 351 Squadron (Helicopters): 6 Agusta Bell AB 212, 3 AB-204AS, 14 UH-1H (other source indicates 18 AB212 and 3 AB204)

301 Squadron (fixed-wing): 2 S-2A Tracker, 2 TS-2A Tracker, 18 S-2E Tracker

U ovoj listi vidim mnogo brodova, podmornica i letelica koje su davno isključeni iz turske flotne liste , a mnogi novi brodovi nisu obuhvaćeni.

Popis je za 1988. godinu. To sam odgovorija na svoje pitanje :)
Dobija sam odgovor pa je red da ga proslijedim

Poslednji veliki JFS koji imam je baš za 1988/89. Skoro sve je to danas istorija povijesti! 80% tadašnjih novih plovila su danas u iglama, ekserima / čavlima.