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Author Topic: Krstarice klase "Admiral Spaun"  (Read 83149 times)
 
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« Reply #60 on: January 25, 2012, 08:02:52 pm »

Jos malo o NOVARI i "sestrama": na sve cetiri krstarice (SPAUN, SAIDA, HELGOLAND, NOVARA) je krmeni jarbol skracen, na posljednje tri u svibnju/maju 1917. prije njihovog napada na Otrantsku barazu, kako bi se otezala identifikacija i smjer plovidbe (koji je s dva jednako visoka jarbola lakse ustanoviti). Njih tri su se medjusobno razlikovale po tome sto je SAIDA imala vjetrolovke oblika "gljive" (pravokutni presjek, kad se gleda odozgora), a NOVARA i HELGOLAND su imale klasicne "lule". Njih dvije se pak moze razlikovati (izbliza) po posljednjem oknu na povisenom pramcanom kastelu: HELGOLAND je imala taj "Bulleye", a NOVARA nije. Tako primjerice maketa krstarice u "Gallerionu" u Novigradu prikazuje NOVARU. Mislim da imamo sliku u jednom drugom postu o tim krstaricama, ako ne, postavit cu.
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« Reply #61 on: February 01, 2012, 12:19:47 pm »

Seitsovi akvareli su uvijek atraktivni

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« Reply #62 on: February 05, 2012, 05:57:35 pm »

Spaun i Saida

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« Reply #63 on: February 07, 2012, 03:56:20 pm »

Još malo krstarice Admiral Spaun.

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« Reply #64 on: February 07, 2012, 09:17:02 pm »

Oštećenja na Saidi.

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« Reply #65 on: February 12, 2012, 05:24:46 pm »

SMS Helgoland porinuće i na Šibenskom sidrištu. [ Attachment: You are not allowed to view attachments ]


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« Reply #66 on: February 12, 2012, 07:29:43 pm »

SMS Saida [ Attachment: You are not allowed to view attachments ] [ Attachment: You are not allowed to view attachments ] [ Attachment: You are not allowed to view attachments ]


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« Reply #67 on: February 12, 2012, 07:47:33 pm »

Na palubi SMS Admiral Spaun i slika slikana sa broda, u koloni Saida, Novara, Holgoland i Sankt Georg 15.05.1917g. [ Attachment: You are not allowed to view attachments ] [ Attachment: You are not allowed to view attachments ]


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« Reply #68 on: February 13, 2012, 03:16:38 pm »

Ona VENEZIA, ex-SAIDA je ustvari BRINDISI, ex-HELGOLAND. Drugacije vjetrolovke! Ta je pogreska cesta kod Talijana, kad na razglednicama prikazuju ta dva "svoja" broda.
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« Reply #69 on: February 13, 2012, 03:29:23 pm »

Ona VENEZIA, ex-SAIDA je ustvari BRINDISI, ex-HELGOLAND. Drugacije vjetrolovke! Ta je pogreska cesta kod Talijana, kad na razglednicama prikazuju ta dva "svoja" broda.

Akagi - molim te, podeli svoje znanje sa nama: opiši (i ako možeš) ilustruj detalje koje spominješ!
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« Reply #70 on: February 13, 2012, 06:19:24 pm »

Već je bilo objašnjeno,za ilustraciju dolje nacrt Saide, gdje se vidi da nema klasičnih šijuna, već je ventilacija mašine izvedena preko kvadratnih prezračivača. Kod ostalih brodova su bile normalne vijetrolovke-šijuni. [ Attachment: You are not allowed to view attachments ] Za ilustraciju dolje crteži Venezie(pogrešni sa normalnim šijunima) i medalja broda Venezia. [ Attachment: You are not allowed to view attachments ] [ Attachment: You are not allowed to view attachments ] [ Attachment: You are not allowed to view attachments ]
Inače Venezia bivša Saida nije imala klasičnih vijetrolovki, kako je gore upriličeno.
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« Reply #71 on: February 13, 2012, 07:08:49 pm »

ML, hvala na slikovitom objašnjenju!
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« Reply #72 on: February 14, 2012, 04:33:05 pm »

Kao što je @Akagi77 već napisao razlika između Novare i Holgolanda je u malom prozoru na kraju pramčanog povišenja, Novara ga nema. To je vidljivo na maloj sličici.
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Saida kao i obično naopako predstavljena.


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« Reply #73 on: February 14, 2012, 05:26:26 pm »

Slika za vrjeme bitke prilikom napada na Otrantsku baražu maja 1915g, krstarice u manevru, u sredini Helgoland, iza Novara a na vrhu lijevo Saida, Novara i Saida polažu dimnu zavjesi, slikano iz hidroaviona K177. [ Attachment: You are not allowed to view attachments ]


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« Reply #74 on: February 14, 2012, 05:46:05 pm »

Oštećena Novara u Brindiziu za vrjeme prebaziranja Francuzima 1920g.(Oštećena prilikom teglenja) [ Attachment: You are not allowed to view attachments ]


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