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« Reply #15 on: March 27, 2010, 10:38:37 am »

26.03.2010.
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Oglasio se i konzorcijum Eurofighter:

Eurofajter žali što je odluka Rumunije o nabavci aviona doneta bez raspisivanja tendera, koji predstavljaju standardnu evropsku proceduru....

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The Eurofighter consortium on Friday joined criticism of Romania's decision to buy second-hand F-16 aircraft, stressing authorities should have issued a call for tenders.

"Eurofighter regrets Romania's decision was made in the absence of an international call for tenders, the standard European Union procedure," the European consortium including EADS (France-Germany), BAE Systems (Great Britain) and Alenia/Finmeccanica (Italy) said in a press release.

"This deprives the country of the opportunity to reinforce ties with the European aerospace industry."

Eurofighter said moreover it would have offered a "comprehensive financial package and substantial offset, creating long-term jobs."

On Thursday, the Swedish group Saab criticised the choice of US-made F-16 jets and asked the Romanian government to "present to parliament all the offers that have been submitted, so that all the facts are available for discussion."

Romania's Supreme Defense Council announced Tuesday it had decided to purchase 24 F-16 aircraft currently used by the US Air Force, at a cost of 1.3 billion dollars, in order to replace its ageing Soviet-made MiG-21 Lancer jets.

Bucharest said it was also considering buying 24 new F-16s and, at a later stage, acquiring 24 F-35 jets, as part of its "strategic partnership" with the United States.

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« Reply #16 on: March 27, 2010, 11:03:24 am »

A sta bi konzorcium Eurofighter imao da ponudi ??
Nemaju oni toliko starih aviona da bi parirali amerima. Grin
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« Reply #17 on: March 27, 2010, 12:19:20 pm »

Nije ovo kraj sage oko nabavke novih aviona. Rumunija je članica EU, a u istoj postoje jasna pravila o konkurenciji (competition policy, v. ovde: http://ec.europa.eu/competition/index_en.html ), tako da će biti još vesti vezanih za ovu nabavku. Sa druge strane, Rumunija se nalazi i pod "tretmanom" MMF-a... Biće veselo. Wink
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« Reply #18 on: March 27, 2010, 12:24:36 pm »

Kao po običaju potući će se politika, ekonomija, propisi... pa ko prevlada.
Što bi rekao kbb Stajić Dušan: "Uskladite želje, mogućnosti i potrebe."
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« Reply #19 on: March 27, 2010, 12:36:30 pm »

Inače, kada smo več kod nabavke aviona F-16 za potrebe rumunskog RV, prve glasine o nabavci se vuku još iz 2005. godine, samo što je tada prodavac bio Izrael.
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« Reply #20 on: March 30, 2010, 03:11:50 pm »

SAAB im je prošle godine nudio 48 novih Gripena za 2.5 milijardi eura, all inclusive, uz 100% offset-a. Ako bi smo mogli da podelimo to na 24 aviona, izašlo bi ih oko 1.7 milijardi dolara, ali uz otvaranje velikog broja radnih mesta u samoj Rumuniji.

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Gripen makes a sweeping offer to the Romanian government: 48 brand new jets for 2.5 BEUR (all inclusive) + 100% offset through the set up of a European maintenance and production center at Aerostar Bacau. + Delivery of planes in the coming years yet payment starting within 5-7 years from signing. Also, the Swedish Gov is ready to give a loan to the Romanian government to cover for the budgetary crisis Romanian faces through this recession.

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I'm still hoping we get the Typhoon myself, but I won't be upset with Gripen, especially with such a good deal. I hope EADS sweetens their deal following SAAB's offer.


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« Reply #21 on: March 31, 2010, 02:18:11 pm »

DEXY mislim da bi za 24 komada cena bila veca jer ipak na kolicinu ide popust Smiley

mada to je bila jako povoljna ponuda.

da li je to bilo ca standardnu verziju Girpena ili za NG ?
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« Reply #22 on: March 31, 2010, 03:06:47 pm »

Одлучиће политика, и то она нејавна и нетранспарентна. Прекоокеанска господа ту умеју да буду врло упорна. Не верујем да ће било каква европска правила о конкуренцији бити уважавана, нити уопште било каква званична правила. "Нећемо се ваљда држати закона као пијан плота" Ми то јако добро знамо. Румуне јефтино изаћи неће.
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« Reply #23 on: March 31, 2010, 04:01:49 pm »

Mislim da su Rumuniji iz SAAB-a nudili C/D verziju a ne NG, ali svakako nove letelice, a ne polovne. Uslovi koji se navode u članku su izuzetno povoljni, a protiv plana za kupovinu F-16 je pre tri godine bio i tadašnji načelnik generalštaba vojske Rumunije, ako se ne varam (ili je možda bila reč o komandantu RV-a, nisam siguran više), i on je smenjen nedugo nakon toga.
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« Reply #24 on: April 07, 2010, 11:53:50 pm »

Rumunjski plan nabave borbenih aviona

Istupajući pred Vrhovnim vijećem za nacionalnu obranu krajem ožujka, rumunjski ministar obrane Gabriel Oprea u svom izvješću naveo je da Rumunjska ovoga trenutka nema financijske snage za kupovinu novog višenamjenskog borbenog aviona nove generacije. Pritom je predložio rješenje odnosno nabavu 24 rabljena aviona F-16, koji bi bili zamjena za avione tipa MiG-21 Lancer.

Prema nacionalnom projektu koji je pokrenut 2007. (Programul Avion Multirol al Fortelor Aeriene Romane), Rumunjska je istaknula svoju nakanu za kupnju 48 novih borbenih aviona, a kao kandidati se spominju F-16, JAS-39 Gripen, Dassault Rafale, Eurofighter Typhoon II i F/A-18 Super Hornet. Ovoga trenutka Rumunjska iskazuje interes za rabljeni F-16 Block 25. Procjenjuje se da bi Rumunjska za nabavu 24 aviona F-16 Block 25, za preobuku tehničkog i letačkog sastava, preuređenje potrebne infrastrukture i nabavu pratećeg zrakoplovnog naoružanja trebala izdvojiti oko 1,3 milijarde američkih dolara. No, nabava rabljenih F-16 Block 25 samo je prva, kratkoročna faza plana modernizacije. Druga, srednjoročna faza je nabava 24 nova aviona F-16 Block 50-52 dok je treća faza, odnosno dugoročni plan zamijeniti avione F-16 Block 25 novim avionima F-35.

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« Reply #25 on: April 08, 2010, 06:48:50 am »

Ona švedska ponuda je vrlo povoljna za neku zemlju, koja je samostalna, a to Romunija nije baš. Suviše je pod utjecajem SAD, da bi nabavila Gripene.

Problem Gripena je naoružanje. Neznam, koliko je daleko razvoj raketa Meteor i Irtisa. Tu je uvjek problem blokade Amerikanaca zbog jakog učešča američke tehnologije u Gripenu....

Mislim, da če Romunija nabaviti one polovne F16, a za ostalo nestače para, pa če za koju godinu dobiti još 24 polovnih F16 po simboličkoj ceni. A onda če to polako platiti Amerikancima kroz održavanje - ako ne parama, možda jačem učešču u Afganistanu te bezplatnom bazom na svoji zemlji.

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« Reply #26 on: April 16, 2010, 10:21:59 pm »

Naleteh na zgodnu karikaturu povodom nabavke aviona F-16 za rumunsko RV
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« Reply #27 on: May 11, 2010, 07:36:52 pm »

15.04.2010.
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Švedjani su ponudili i više nego odlične uslove - novi Gripeni po ceni polovnih F-16, u istoj količini i još neke pogodnosti, koje nikako ne bi smele biti zanemarene. Mada, ovde ne odlučuju mozak i struka - već politika....

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Sweden is offering to sell Romania 24 new Gripen combat jets for the same price demanded by the United States for second-hand F-16s, Swedish officials said April 15.

The offer matches the number of jets offered by the United States, but does not contain ammunition like the U.S. offer.

Romania's Supreme Council announced in March its decision to buy 24 second-hand F-16 jets for $1.3 billion, a purchase which is to be submitted to parliament for approval.

Jerry Lindbergh, a Swedish government official in charge of defense exports, gave details of the offer at a news conference in Bucharest.

He said Sweden could provide 24 new "fully NATO interoperable Gripen C/D fighters, including training, support, logistics and 100 percent offset for the amount of one billion euros ($1.3 billion)."

The money could be paid over 15 years with low interest rates.

Sweden's ambassador to Romania Mats Aberg said it was "Romania's sovereign right to choose the multirole jets it wanted", but to provide all information on the Swedish offer, he had sought a meeting with the parliament defense commission chairman.

Swedish group Saab said in March it was "surprised" by Romania's choice of second hand F-16 aircraft.

Bucharest is also considering buying 24 new F-16 jets and later 24 F-35 jets, the defense ministry said, stressing this was part of the Romanian-U.S. "strategic partnership."
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« Reply #28 on: May 11, 2010, 07:43:27 pm »

Bilo bi lepo da i mi dobijemo takvu ponudu.
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« Reply #29 on: May 11, 2010, 08:36:55 pm »

Meni tu nesto smrdi po pitanju ponude iz Svedske,zasto su odjednom spustili cenu ,da neuzmu posle i mnogo vise para kroz paprene cene delova jer samo od njih mozes da ih uzmes.Ja to govorim iz iskustva zato sto trgujem automobilima pa kad dobijam neki auto prilicno  mlad za nizu cenu nego sto vredi tu nesto debelo ne valja.
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