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« Reply #60 on: June 28, 2012, 01:48:06 pm »

28.06.2012

Rumunjski premijer: Nabava novih F-16 sa Hrvatskom nerealna

Rumunjski premijer Victor Ponta odbacio je regionalnu inicijativu rumunjskog predsjednika Traiana Basescua da Rumunjska, Hrvatska i Bugarska zajednički nabave nove zrakoplove F-16, jer je to u sadašnjim okolnostima nerealna opcija, prenosi ACTMedia.

Ponta vjeruje kako Bukurešt može sebi priuštiti jedino rabljene zrakoplove F-16 koji bi zamijenili postojeće MiG-21. Rabljene zrakoplove F-16 Rumunjskoj su ponudili Portugal i Nizozemska.

Rumunjska vlada je još u ožujku 2010. objavila planove nabave 24 zrakoplova F-16s u vrijendosti $1.3 milijarde USD, ali je takva varijanta otpala zbog nedostatka financija.

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« Reply #61 on: July 27, 2012, 05:36:27 pm »

Nabavka 24 polovna aviona F-16AM/BM je sve izvesnija.Mrzi me da prevodim ceo tekst, ali je stvar prilicno jasna.Zajedno sa amerikancima proveravaju avione koji su na prodaju u ovim zemljama.Njihov ministar vec prica o obuci u Americi.Zele da obuce 48 pilota tj dva po avionu.Naravno i prilagodjavanje infrastrukture, modernizacija, a sve kao priprema za sto laksi prelazak na F-35 koji jeste dugorocni cilj.

MApN sends a team of experts to Portugal to evaluate the technical status of F-16 planes that Romania wants to buy
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The Ministry of Defence, Corneliu Dobritoiu stated for Agerpres that a team of Romanian experts will go to Portugal this week to evaluate the technical status of F-16 planes that Romania would like to acquire at second hand from Portugal and the Netherlands. According to the MApN representative, after evaluating the planes, there will undertaken simulations to establish which is the sum for the acquisition of such planes, the press agency says.

“The team will go this week. Today we had talks with some American technical support,with some military from the American Air Force in Europe.Together with our experts, they will evaluate the technical status of the aircraft from Portugal, so that in August, according to the request of the Dutch party, we go to the Netherlands as well” Corneliu Dobritoiu said for the press agency.
Minister Dobritoiu showed that MApN makes “ all financial simulations so that we could offer the political decision makers a vision, an image on the financial effort neede for the acquisition of a multitasking aircraft. Normally, we should ensure the transition to F-35, if Romania has strategical vision, if Romania wants to play a strategic role here, at the eastern border of the Alliance”.

Thus, Romania would buy 24 aircraft “enough for the training of the pilots. We don’t discuss the movement of these aircraft to the operational theatres during the transition period, to big distances away from our borders, but only to train our pilots, to do our missions and the training of the maintenance teams as well as the modernization of the infrastructure for the operation of an aircraft generation 5.The pilots will be trained in America as they have the most complex training base for pilots”Dobritoiu said for Agerpres.

Minister Dobritoiu explained that the training of the pilots last between two and three years, showing that Romania will send to the US for training more than 48 pilots “ as the passing rate is somewhere around 60- 70% at the level of the American pilots” but to ensure two pilots per aircraft the moment the training is finished.

“As regards F-16 there will be with simple and double command. We have to see the technical status of the respective aircraft, which is the offer of the Dutch party and then we evaluate the needs so that we could bring these aircraft to normal operational performance and depending on it we will take a decision. A third should be double command. But it is a long way there. First we need to be sure with the pilots training for simple command and then to train flight instructors so that they ensure the training of the others by means of double command here, at home”, Dobritoiu said.

Nedavno je njihov predsednik vlade rekao da je nabavka polovnih F-16 jedino sto mogu priustiti u ovom trenutku i da je to najbolje resenje.

Romania cannot afford at present to buy anything else but American fighters F-16, second hand, to replace its MIG-21, due to budgetary crisis, premier Victor Ponta stated on Friday in a press conference with foreign journalists, AFP informs.
"The only solution which is more realistic is to get to buy second hand plances. Two countries are disposed to sell them now: Portugal and the Netherlands" Victor Ponta said
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« Reply #62 on: July 27, 2012, 06:28:14 pm »

Kako god obrneš, Rumunija je još uvek u statusu "dobre volje" da nabavi avione. Imaju želju, ali nemaju para.
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« Reply #63 on: July 28, 2012, 09:11:49 am »

Mislis mi smo u stanju "dobre volje".Za razliku od svih zemalja u okruzenju jedino oni znaju sta zele.
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« Reply #64 on: July 28, 2012, 09:22:50 am »

Neće biti baš ni da znaju šta hoće. Znaju šta moraju, a to je da uzmu američke avione. Pa makar i polovne. Imali su odličnu ponudu za Gripene, ali nisu smeli da prihvate.
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« Reply #65 on: July 28, 2012, 09:29:16 am »

Mislis mi smo u stanju "dobre volje".Za razliku od svih zemalja u okruzenju jedino oni znaju sta zele.
Е, па и ми знамо шта желимо. Wink
Само ми немамо нафтна поља (бар не тако велика, као њихова) и нисмо у пакту са НАТО.

Ако уђу у тај посао, а што не би ушли, само ће наставити традицију куповине опрoбаних (ислужених) летилица.
Да се подсетимо: "BELL 209 - AH-1 W Super Cobra", беше то 1996.године.

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« Reply #66 on: July 28, 2012, 09:44:50 am »

Propali posao proizvodnje helikoptera AH-1RO Dracula.
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« Reply #67 on: July 28, 2012, 10:03:19 am »

Propali posao proizvodnje helikoptera AH-1RO Dracula.
Цитат (слободни превод):
".....Bell je dobio 1.avgusta 1999. novi rok za podnošenje predloga, nakon obnovljenih zahteva rumunske vlade, MMF je odbio ranije podnošene zahteve iz aprila. Kada Rumunija nije uspjela odgovoriti na ove nove predloge, krajem 1999. Bell je napustio svoje planove za ulaganja u IAR i licence proizvodnje AH-1RO."

Ама сећам се ја тога. Grin

Само да мало подгрејем расправу око "извености" набавке тих савремених "Блокова 15"

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« Reply #68 on: July 28, 2012, 10:17:42 am »

Kada sam rekao da znaju sta hoce mislio sam da su izabrali avion pre vise od dve godine, a sada se traze samo nacini kako doci do njega.Jos jedanput da ponovim.Ocigledno je da rumuni ciljaju F-35 kao dugorocno resenje i zato se uzimaju polovni F-16 kako bi se premostio period od 10-15 godina.Veoma racionalno i pragmaticno resenje po meni.Toliko o tome, a ko ne razume sta da mu radim.

Druze Ljubo,

F-16 AM/BM je potentniji od bilo kog Miga-29 u ruskom vazduhoplovstvu pa cak i ex-alziraca.

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« Reply #69 on: July 29, 2012, 03:09:13 pm »

Naravno da ciljaju F-35,ja sam cak gledao nasu emisiju kakav je njihov plan daljeg razvoja njihovog ratnog vazduhoplostva.Uzmu eskadrilu polovnih f-16,posle uzmu noviju generaciju f-16blok 50 i na kraju da totalno predju na f-35....razlog kako je narator u emisiji naveo je da piloti postepeno upoznaju sa savremenom tehnologijomi i taktikom primene takvih aviona,jer je veliki tehnoloski jaz kada bi sa mig-21 presli na f-35.Tu emisiju su pustali na RTS-u kada je bio aeromiting na Batajnici.Mozda neko moze to da nadje...tako da ova novost nije uopste nova.Pozdrav
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« Reply #70 on: July 29, 2012, 04:48:28 pm »

Nameračili F-35 - nije nego.

Mogu oni da namerače šta hoće, ministar nacionalne odbrane R. Rumuije je izjavio da oni para ne-ma-ju i da je jedini način da reše problem avijacije za neko vreme nabavaka polovnih aviona.

Težište posta je na dalu "oni para ne-ma-ju", a mogu da namerače i vasionske brodove malih zelenih Cejlonaca.
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« Reply #71 on: July 29, 2012, 05:03:35 pm »

Pa nemjau trenutno..ali ne znaci da ih nece imati u buducnosti,jer oni za razliku od drugih beleze i privredni rast,tako da za 10,20 godina mozda ce imati. Ono sto sam ja pisao je njihov plan za narednih 30,40 godina do tada ce valjda da sakupe Cheesy
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« Reply #72 on: July 29, 2012, 06:03:48 pm »

Ako uzmeš u obzir cenu jednog F-35 i pomnožiš sa željenom količinom aviona - potpuno je jasno da neće imati dovoljno novca. Za razliku od nas, njima je jasno da se oružane snage ne sastoje samo od lovačke avijacije.

PS Svojevremeno su prihvatili obavezu da raspolažu sa 54 operativnih aviona, pa ti izvedi matematiku. 
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« Reply #73 on: July 29, 2012, 08:13:46 pm »

jedan broj f-16, reko sam ti da ce nabaviti i jedan broj f-16blok50,ko je reko da moraju svi da budu f-35?
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« Reply #74 on: July 29, 2012, 08:36:36 pm »

Polovni avioni koje sada budu "kupili" ostaće im u naoružanju kada za dvadeset godina pazare F-35?
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