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« Reply #585 on: December 03, 2011, 07:10:12 am »

Prethothdno pomenuto nikako neisključuje i elisne kako klipne (piston) a i turboprom školske avione !

Ebraer Tucano - ( dalja modernizacija Super Tucano) sa izrazito snažnim P&W turboprop mottorom koji prelazi 1000 Ks - ( Takaođe i ćitav niz Pilatus PC-7, 9 - 21 ..., generalno dosta primera u svetu). Iako još nije turborbrop izvedbe i Lasta 95 donosi nivo obućenosti pilota na znatno veći nivo od aviona prethodnika, ali turbomlaznu avijaciju koliko god pokušavali jačim motorima da dostigni, primeri T-6 Texan ili PC-21 Pilatus, ... još dugo neće moći da zamene - ( pitanje je dali će ikada i moći). Ali i školski elisni avioni imaju svoju nespornu ulogu kao i školsko-mlazni koji već sada iznose više od 80% nivoa obučenosti dovoljnog za pilota 1. kategorije višenamenskih aviona.

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Izraelski T-6 TEXAN - Izvožen širom sveta - (već grupa tzv. COIN aviona). CO - ivedeno od skraćenice -COMBAT - borben , sa IN - immplementation, što označava primenu.

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PC-21 Pilatus - već tzv. COIN avioni ali daleeko od mogućnosti koje ostvaruju turmomlazni:

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Mada je u školsko-elisnim avionima temelj obuke i spektar istih je širok akcenat ću dati turbomlamznim avionima postojećim, u vazi modernizacije, već primenjene modernizizacije ili već konačnih izveddvom školsko-mllaznih aviona 4 generacije. Zadnji su u još u manjini ali im vrreme i budućnost sigurno dočazi.

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« Reply #586 on: December 03, 2011, 07:27:45 am »

Prethodno je slikovno manje nepravedno bio zastupljen ROKAF Južno Korejski T-50 Golden Eagle. Skuplji od JAK-130. M-346 , ali izuzetni školsko-mlazni avion 4 generacije. U isti vrh se može i delom svrstati BAE -HAWK zadnjih izvedbi i duboko primenjene digigitalizacije. Ali kao predvodnik novog talasa, u startu već koncepcijski stvaran sa imperativom svestranosti, treba izdvojiti JAK-130D - (demonstrator) do serijskog JAK-130 i M-346 kao sledbenika istog aerodinamičkoh koncepta i putokaza budućnosti.

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Poljska kao korisnik F-16 je ozbiljan interesent za kupovinu upravo T-50, nastalim kooperacijom Južne Koreje i Lokid Martina.

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Dovoljno je sem aerodinimačke izvedbe pogledati kokokpit T-50 da se vidi o koliko je naprednom školsko-mlaznom, slobodno se može i reći školsko-borbenom avionu reč:

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« Reply #587 on: December 03, 2011, 08:01:04 am »

Generalno, u kojim se šlolsko-mlaznim borbenim avionima već sada vidi budućnost. Nenanamerno sam prevideo da pomenem i L-15 Kineski - ( aerodinimačka osnova iz JAK-130). Sigurno će Hawk zadnjih izvedbi još dugo leteti svetskim nebom - (garantuje visok nivo obuke), ali se već kod ozbičjnijih kupaca sa dupljim đepom naziru potrebe za školsko-mlaznim avionima 4 generacije, tipa JAK-130, M-346, T-50, verovatno kasnije i L-15, mada nikako nije isključeno da ugledamo na svetskom nebu i dubokom modernizacojom novine.

Neki su avioni zbog apriori loše bazne aerodinimakike i pored digitalizacije, ostali na mestu gde jesu ( primer  kao L-159. CASA C-101, argentinska PAPMPA, IAR-SOIIM 99 ...). Gde je budućnost?

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U međuvremnu avioni poput CASA - C-101 dobijaju naprredniju avioniku, digitalizaciju. Takođe i argentiska Pampa ali su perfomansama daleko od nosioca bidućnosti. Surovo ali istinito.

Koliko god se na L-159 uradila duboka modernizacija - (ugrađen radar, FBW, HOTAS, ... opcija nošenja  svestranog naoružanja itd. ... isti je aerodinimački trom i posle proizvedenehih više od 70 aviona svega 25  zadovoljova potrebe Češkog vazduhopvstva a ostatak je u hangaru i godinimama čeka ino-kupca). Sve upućuje da ga neće ni naći osim ako se ne prod po "diskontnoj" nerezonskoj ceni gde profita nema - ( a kako vreme protiče, cena istom sve više pada).

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Španska CASA-101 , argentinska Pampa dobijaju "novo odelo", takođe i K-8 Karakorum  ... ali startno-aerodinimački koncipirani imaju svoj limit. Promena krila, arhitekture zmaja ... praktično ih čini novim avionom i isto je i preskupo i neisplatljivo.

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« Reply #588 on: December 03, 2011, 08:47:03 am »

Neki primeri uspešnih školsko-elisnih aviona i solidnih školsko-mlaznih ali i na kojima počiva budućnost:

Iako vreme prolazi, dolaze naslednici PC-9, pa PC-21 kao COIN avioni PC-7 je i dalje više nego solidan avion za osnovnu, instrumentanlnu ... figuratativnu, akrobatsku obuku:

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Južno Korejski KT-1  ima izvesnu svetlu budućnost;

Aermachhi S 211 - Nažalost avion koji nema budućnost:

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HJT-36 - INDIJA - Nov koncept, ali se Indija opredeljuje za BAE - Hawk.

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Bae -Hawk, i kao T1 i T2, načinu digitalizacije kako je učinila Finska ima budućnost:

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« Reply #589 on: December 03, 2011, 09:04:24 am »

IA-63 PAMPA, nankon digitalizacije dobija budućnost ali je daleko ispod nivoa JAK-130. M-346, T-50, Bae HAWK:

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Aero L-39 - Verovatno jedan od najmnogobrojnije prouzvedenih školsko mlaznih aviona, ima još budućnost, širom sveta zastupljen, viđen u akro grupama ... - (najverovetnije do isteka životnog veka -resursa).

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Interesantan primer. Kada se pogleda kokpit L-159 duboko digitalizovanog, isti je za generaciju ispod JAK-130 ...M-346, T-50 !

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Bae HAWK-avion sa izvesnom daljom budućnosti:

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Američki derivat T-45 - (osnova BAe - HAWK ), verovatno sledi zamena sa T-50 ili sličnim.

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« Reply #590 on: December 03, 2011, 09:16:30 am »

Kineski pokušaj da digitalizacijom K-8 na nivo K-8E dobije budućnost. Isti se izvozi uspešno ali se Kina ipak opredeljuje za budučnost - L-15 :

K-8- Karakokrum :

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Nakon digitalzaciije K-8E:

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L-15 kineski vesnik budućnosti :

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Odličan koncept Izraela, ali se izgleda sve završilo samo na prototipu - Javelin :

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M-346 i JAK-130 sa izvesnim novim izvedbama pravi putokazi budućnosti:

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« Reply #591 on: December 03, 2011, 09:33:20 am »

Aerodinimački projektovan da leti i u budućnosti - N-62 Super Galeb G4. U nastavku uzori za dalju modernizaciju .

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« Reply #592 on: December 03, 2011, 11:07:52 am »

Gledajujući aerodanimički od JAK.-130, M-346, L-15  do T-50, nalazimo generalno isti ciljani aerodinimački pristup sa različitim konstrukcijskim rešenjima, primenom jedne ili dve pogonske grupe, zadržavanja visoko podzvućne ili se relativno lako, jaćom pogonskom modularnom grupom preći i mahov broj.

Svugde vidimo velike vertikalne površine, veliku nosivost krila sa isturenim korenim produžecima, visoku preglednost iz kokpita,duboku digitalizaciju u svim nivoima, integraciju modernih dopler radara i prilagođenost nošenju svestranog naouražanja, sličnom avionima 1. katetegoroje ( višenamenskim avionima tipa JAS-39 Grišen, SU-30-35, F-16, Eurogighter ...). Naravno agilnost i manevarbilnost je neophopdna kao i dug životni vek sa što manje otkaza-kvarova tokom upotrebe i primene novih legura metala, saćaste - modulaene izvedbe.

T-50- Šematski crtež. Ako uporedimo aeroprofril sa gore navedenim konceptima - (primeni dve umesto jedne pogonske grupe i eventualnu zaštiti glavnih uvodnoka sa uvođenjem pomoćmih), praktićno vidimo iste željene aerodinimačke celine, zahvalne i za dalju nadogradnju.

T-50 - Golden Eagle - šematski crtež - saćasta, modularna konstrukcija,aktivna pretkrilca i zakrilca, veliki vertikalac i kormolo pravca, kao i koreni produžeci krila. Generalno crte koje vežu istomišljenike istog koncepta.
A predvodnik cele nove generacije bio je i ostao JAK-130.

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« Reply #593 on: December 04, 2011, 04:01:01 am »

Dali zaista treba gledati sa aspekta dalje prodaje MIG-29 "otpisanim", kao i njegovog  aerodinimačkog sledbenika MIG-35 otpisanim ili zapsanim ?  Smiley

Kolaž Mig 29-ki i Mig-35-ca :

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MIG-29 UB - Rusije sleće :

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MIG-35 - možda dugo u senci, ali još uvek sa tretmanom zapisan !  Wink

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MIG-29 vazduhoplovstva Srbije :

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Zajednički nastup MIG-29-ke i MG-35 - MAKS-2011:

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MIG-29 i F-18 - izuzetan nastup:

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I posle decenija upotrebe u besprekornom letnom stanju vazduhoplopstva Poljske sa nagoveštajem još dublje modernizacije (vesternizacije) u sopstvenoj režiji, pri domaćem remontnom zavodu:

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« Reply #598 on: January 12, 2012, 07:46:17 pm »

T-50 - Golden Eagle - šematski crtež - saćasta, modularna konstrukcija,aktivna pretkrilca i zakrilca, veliki vertikalac i kormolo pravca, kao i koreni produžeci krila. Generalno crte koje vežu istomišljenike istog koncepta. A predvodnik cele nove generacije bio je i ostao JAK-130.


Uz dužno poštovanje kolega, ali mislim da je T-50 ipak baziran na transferu tehnologije s F-16. Za ostalo Ste u pravu svi imaju istu osnovnu zamisao. Moj izbor je ipak L-15 i to samo zato (nastao je transferom tehnologije s Yak-130) što je nadzvučan, a to ipak ima prednosti osim u obuci i mogućoj borbenoj primjeni ili se varam.....
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