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« Reply #45 on: April 17, 2015, 07:33:25 pm »

Sve slike su slikane u Vojno-istoriskom muzeju u Sofiji.
Oko podataka nebi znao reči, mada piše da T-55 ima top od 110 mm, a i da svi sistemi imaju oznaku M+godina mada to nisam prije srečavao na svim sistemima (možda Bugarska interna oznaka?).
Istotako za vozilo poznato kod nas kao SU-76M koriste naziv SAU-76.
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« Reply #46 on: April 17, 2015, 08:00:36 pm »

T-54/55 nije imao drugi top u serijskoj proizvodnji nego D-10, sam razvijen iz BS-3, a kalibar je bio samo 100mm. Tačka, kraj. Bilo je opita sa topom D-10BM, ili druga oznaka, sa dužom cevi i jačim punjenjem. Top 2A26 115mm koji se potom našao na T-62 taržio je mnogo širi venac kupole.

SAU je skraćenica od "Samohodnaja artillerijskaja ustanovka", samohodno artiljerijsko oruđe.
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« Reply #47 on: April 17, 2015, 08:36:34 pm »

Oznaku 110 mm na T-55 tabli uzeo sam kao primer kiksa na tabli.

SAU je skraćenica od "Samohodnaja artillerijskaja ustanovka", samohodno artiljerijsko oruđe.

Hvala, sada video na tabli. Lakše mi je latinica i engleski, tako da bugarski deo nisam se ni trudio čitati.


.. D-10, sam razvijen iz BS-3...     ...Bilo je opita sa topom D-10BM, ili druga oznaka, sa dužom cevi i jačim punjenjem.

Može koji detail više oko toga? A za varijantu D-10BM nisam čuo, ali bi voleo malo više info ako se da.

Hvala unapred.

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« Reply #48 on: April 17, 2015, 08:57:51 pm »


Možda je zvanična oznaka bila drugačija, ali je reč o topu 100mm, olučenom, "boljšoj "velike" moćnosti", razvijenom iz D10, a nije reč o razvoju T-12 za tenk. Glatkocevni tenkovski 100mm su razvili Kinezi ali baš i nisu bili zadovoljni.
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« Reply #49 on: April 17, 2015, 09:02:16 pm »

Sve slike su slikane u Vojno-istoriskom muzeju u Sofiji.
Oko podataka nebi znao reči, mada piše da T-55 ima top od 110 mm, a i da svi sistemi imaju oznaku M+godina mada to nisam prije srečavao na svim sistemima (možda Bugarska interna oznaka?).
Istotako za vozilo poznato kod nas kao SU-76M koriste naziv SAU-76.

  Vidim da su i za zis-3 promasili tezinu umesto 1116 kg, napisali su 1200kg. Pomalo sramotno da to tako stoji u muzeju, ako na gotovo svakom eksponatu ima podataka koji su pogresni.
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« Reply #50 on: April 17, 2015, 09:17:18 pm »

Mislim da sam našao. Top je D-54 , D-54 TS ili kasnije nazvan 2A24.


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Work on the 100-mm rifled tank gun D-54 started with the decree of the Council of Ministers № 4169-1631 of 12 September 1952. Engaged in the work of DB-9, Managing FF Petrov. The gun was intended to spoof gun D-10T tank T-54.

According to the terms of reference, the gun D-54 was supposed to have:
Weight of armor-piercing projectiles — 16.1 kg;
The initial velocity armor-piercing projectile — 1015 m / s;
Weight gun — less than 2530 kg;
Weight stabilizer — less than 180 kg.

In 1953 he was made a ballistic barrel, created for training ammunition. Engineering design of the gun D-54 has developed a stabilizer in June 1954. Experienced standard D-54 passed to the customer in March of the same year. This gun was to be equipped with single-plane stabilizer "Rainbow", developed in CRI-173. Second standard gun D-54 after improvements, the results of tests of an experimental reference was submitted June 30, 1955.

By October 54th, the plant number 183 mounted the first standard gun D-54 on the T-54M (object 139). Object 139 in comparison with the T-54A had a more powerful diesel engine V-54-6, lightweight wheels with cast and stamped discs, also some other configuration in the chassis. The tank was 36 million kg.

Gun ammunition D-54 consisted of 50 rounds. On the tower installed 14.5-mm anti-aircraft machine gun KPVT.

Object 139 in October 1954 passed the committee and sent for field tests. In the period from November to December 1954 had a 1st step test, including shooting from the spot. In 1955, the tests were continued, as the CRI-173 delayed the delivery of the stabilizer "Rainbow." Stabilizer "Rainbow" by the results of tests it was decided not to accept service.

Meanwhile, in the CRI-173 to D-54 was designed plane stabilizer "Lightning". The plant number 9 in September 55th of the year made and passed the
factory number 183 experienced three standard 100-mm gun D-54TS filled plane stabilizer "Lightning". This gun with a new stabilizer tests took place at the site 140 (experimental model of the modernized T-54).

In 1958 he made three most experienced T-62 (to 165) with 100-mm gun D-54TS. These tank guns to February 1960 stood repeated Polygon army tests.

By this time the gun was modernized. Gun barrel of hardening, and the weight increased to 2,390 kg. Since work began on a brand new piercing shells, changed the slope of the barrel rifling (from 25 to 35 gauge). A brand-new version of the D-54TS gun given the index Grau 2A24 and factory index U-8TS.

The largest range of shooting at an angle of 16 degrees high-explosive/fragmentation was 14,650 meters.

The Council of Ministers № 729-305 on August 12, 1961 100-millimeter cannon U-8TS curb stabilizer "Meteorite" gage with high-explosive and armor-piercing projectiles have adopted the T-62A. But for the gun piercing shells still not finished.

So Makarov, was adopted two variants of the T-62 T-62A, filled rifled gun U-8TS, and T-62 (to 166), fitted out a smooth U-gun 5TC. Management in March 1962 adopted a decision "in view of the need to reduce the range of tank guns do not start creating the T-62A." A lot prirekany was caused by the gun muzzle brake U-8TS. In winter, the muzzle brake during the shooting raised snow accumulation and summer — sandy or dusty. This is the "blinded" vision devices tank and unmask him. Muzzle wave adversely affected by landing on the armor and infantry advancing from the tank. Lowering the hit was a significant shortcoming of the muzzle brake.

06.29.1962 by the decision of the Council of Ministers № 656-268, subsequent work on the U-8TS (D-54TS) finished "in connection with the start of work on a more promising swatches."

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Izvor: http://survincity.com/2013/08/russian-tank-guns-100-mm-rifled-gun-d-54/


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« Reply #51 on: April 17, 2015, 09:27:42 pm »

  Vidim da su i za zis-3 promasili tezinu umesto 1116 kg, napisali su 1200kg. Pomalo sramotno da to tako stoji u muzeju, ako na gotovo svakom eksponatu ima podataka koji su pogresni.

Imaju loše table, ali jim je postavka, bar po mom, odlična i zanimljiva. Unutrašni deo muzeja zbog vremenske stiske nisam mogao običi.
Lično iskustvo je bilo, da su ljudi tamo jer moraju biti, a ne zbog zainteresiranosti. Morala na višku  Undecided.

Nije da hvalim Pivku, ali tamo ljudi rade sa žarom, da o poznavanju tematike ne govorim. 
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« Reply #52 on: April 17, 2015, 11:35:27 pm »

Uuu, muzej u Sofiji. Bio sam ovde, ima i unutra svašta za videti, postavka uniformi je posebno dobra.

Božo, jesi bio tamo u onom "natkrivenom" delu gde čekaju eksponati za restauraciju? Ima svašta tamo.
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« Reply #53 on: April 18, 2015, 07:56:11 am »

Na ovo misliš?

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Samo preletio sam.





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« Reply #54 on: April 18, 2015, 10:33:05 am »

Da, baš to Wink
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« Reply #55 on: April 18, 2015, 11:09:43 am »

Da, baš to Wink

Vidim i Gatling gun i De Bange i La Hitte. Vode računa Bugari, vidi se. A tek kad bismo znali šta je sve u kazamatima pod Vojnim muzejem... pa šta se čuva u "gomilama smeća" koja, naravno, kriju "blaga nebrojena" delova topova, tenkova, opreme, itd. Svašta je protutnjalo ovim prostorima, samo "KoenigsTiger" nije viđen, i još nešto retkosti. Sećam se kada smo putovali za Inđiju svaki vikend, ja pitam Oca: "Tata, a što ovaj put tako trucka, kao po nekim pločama da se vozimo... a Taunus poskakuje?" "Eh, sine, koliko je tehnike prošlo ovim putem 1944/45, kad bi samo znao...". Pamtio sam i drvo u koje se slupala Silvana u Granadi, negde beše 1974/5/6, koj` će ga znati posle toliko godina.
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« Reply #56 on: February 12, 2016, 07:02:18 pm »

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« Reply #57 on: October 21, 2016, 05:47:23 pm »

против пешадиска граната со самчи или kanistar  за зис-3

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« Reply #58 on: October 21, 2016, 05:49:32 pm »

ово је шрапнел.
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« Reply #59 on: October 21, 2016, 05:58:57 pm »

ово је шрапнел.

Картеч/шрапнел, већ пар столећа ефикасно средство против незаштићене пешадије, најчешће у нападу.
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