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« Reply #30 on: February 23, 2011, 05:23:31 pm »

Jedan zivot (mnogima) ne vrijedi mnogo. Ako je u pitanju nafta i plin, a to se dovede u opasnost - taj jedan zivot pretvoriti ce se u prah; onaj tko to napravi biti ce osloboditelj zemlje, ujedno upravljac i korisnik nacionalnih dobara na dugi rok.
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« Reply #31 on: February 23, 2011, 06:17:22 pm »

16:06 Piloti odbili da bombarduju Bengazi, avion se srušio

Libijski avion srušio se danas u blizini Bengazija, u istočnom delu Libije, nakon što su pilot i kopilot iskočili iz aviona, odbivši da bombarduju grad, preneo je dnevnik "Kurina" citirajući neimenovani vojni izvor. U onlajn izdanju dnevnika "Kurina" navedeno je da su pilot Atia Abdel Salem al Abdali i kopilot Ali Omar Gadafi iskočili iz "suhoja-22" i padobranima se spustili na zemlju, odbivši da izvrše naređenje da bombarduju Bengazi, preneo je Rojters.

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« Reply #32 on: February 23, 2011, 09:16:39 pm »

Prekinute su isporuke gasa preko podvodnog gasovoda Greenstream; prema saopštenju ENI, već oko 6% libijskih naftnih proizvodnih kapaciteta je van funkcije. Rusija ima oko 85 miliona barela nafte u skladištima, i još oko 45 milionabarela naftnih derivata. Pošto su Dardaneli već zakrčeni, pa bi transport nafte iz Novorosijska trajao veoma dugo, ruska vlada je naložila RŽD-u da spremi odgovarajući broj vagona cisterni za vanrednu pomoć Italiji. Italija za sada ima rezerve gasa za 30 dana, i rezervi nafte za 90 dana.
Jedinice OS Libije, koje su prešle na stranu demonstranata se nalaze pred Tripolijem, i predvodi ih general al-Mahdi al-Arabi Abdulhafiz. Sa druge strane, izgleda da je Gadafi uspeo da očisti Tripoli od demonstranata, i da se sprema za vojnu akciju zauzimanja Kirenaike, tj. Bengazija, Al-Bajde i Tobruka. Izgleda da "veselje" tek predstoji večeras.
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« Reply #33 on: February 23, 2011, 09:30:28 pm »

Nema straha za Italiju za nestasicu nafte, a posebno plina; tu je HR - jedina je steta sto je po nalogu MOL-a prekinut dugogodisnji ugovor snabdijevanja HR plinom preko Gazproma (kao nesigurnog pravca zbog Ukrajine) u korist  sigurnijeg pravca dobave plina iz HR podmorja ali preko Italije. Iako je OT, nadam se da su Palubarci shvatili taj mudri potez.

(ENI-jev ugovor s Libijom nije nepoznanica, ali onaj HR s ENI/Agip malo je ociju vidjelo). 
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« Reply #34 on: February 23, 2011, 09:33:09 pm »

"Sveti Stefan II" Isplovio iz Bara



23.02.2011



Dolazak u libijsku luku Raš Lanuf očekuje se za tri dana. U Libiji se nalazi između 70 i 80 crnogorskih državljana



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BAR - Brod Barske plovidbe "Sveti Stefan 2" isplovio je za Libiju pošto su dobijene sve neophodne dozvole, izjavio je večeras direktor putničke agencije "Plovidba" Rade Radman.
 
Prema njegovim rečima, očekuje se da bi brod u libijsku luku Raš Lanuf mogao da uplovi za tri dana. Brod je poslat radi evakuacije državljana Crne Gore koji se nalaze u Libiji.
 
Kako je prenela crnogorska novinska agencije MINA, u Libiji se nalazi između 70 i 80 crnogorskih državljana. Prva grupa crnogorskih državljana je evakuisana avionima Srbije, a kasnije večeras se očekuje i dolazak druge grupe, rekao je direktor za konzularne poslove Ministarstva spoljnih poslova Željko Stamatović.
 
Prema njegovim rečima, avionima "Jat ervejza" bi trebalo da bude evakuisano oko 20 crnogorskih državljana.




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« Reply #35 on: February 23, 2011, 09:51:15 pm »

Ovo je sve prenaduvano,jer zapad zeli da ga srusi po svaku cenu!!Evo vam izjave putnika koji su se vratili iz Libije.

Pocececu od po meni najneozbiljnijeg lista Kurir:



Svetski mediji "napumpali" situaciju u Tripoliju



Jedan od putnika, košarkaški trener Srđan Antić rekao je novinarima na beogradskom aerodromu da stanje u glavnom gradu Libije, Tripoliju, "nije toliko tragično kao što se prikazuje u medijima". Antić je rekao da nije video bombardovanje Tripolija o kome su međunarodni mediji izveštavali, ali da je kod "naših ljudi" postojao strah od bandi i lopova.
 
"U Tripoliju je uvek haos kada je neka utakmica i sadašnje stanje me podseća na to. Velika je gužva na aerodromu u Tripoliju, problem imaju građani koji nisu u Tripoliju jer je teško da dođu do aerodroma, kao i oni koji nemaju pasoše kod sebe jer su ih dali na "viziranje"", rekao je on.




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Državljani Srbije: u Tripoliju nismo imali većih problema


Državljani Srbije koji su danas popodne doputovali avionom iz Libije, rekli su novinarima na beogradskom aerodromu da nisu videli "veće nemire" i da je u glavnom gradu Libije, Tripoliju, mirno.
Putnici, među kojima su uglavnom žene i deca, rekli da su o neredima u Libiji saznavali iz stranih medija i od rodbine u Srbiji, dok sami nisu imali "velikih problema".
Svi sagovornici agencije Beta prenose da je "najproblematičnija situacija" na aerodromu u Tripoliju jer veliki broj ljudi pokušava da otputuje iz Libije, zahvaćenu nemirima.
Većina je rekla da je pravila zalihe hrane jer nisu znali koliko će morati da ostanu u Libijugde prodavnice ne rade.
Medicinska sestra Ljiljana Pantić rekla je da "osim nekog sitnog puškaranja" koje je čula nije uočila nemire u Tripoliju: "U gradu je mirno. Imali smo organizovan prevoz do aerodroma u Tripoliju na kojem smo zatekli 'pakao' ", rekla je ona.
Dragana Stanojević, jedna od putnica prvog aviona Jata koji je prevezao državljane Srbije iz Tripolija za Beograd, rekla je da je na ulicama glavnog grada Libije "nije osećala opasnost o kojoj su izveštavali" mediji.
"Izveštaj o nemirima i bombardovanju su preuveličani. Jedina gužva sa kojom smo se sreli je na samom aerodromu u Tripoliju", rekla je Stanojević.
Vladimir Banjac, pilot aviona koji je dovezao građane iz Libije, rekao je novinarima da je aerodromu u Tripoliju "ogromna gužva" i da je zbog toga usporen saobraćaj.


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Група лекара и сестара из Србије остаје у Триполију


Група медицинских сестара и лекара из Србије одлучила је да остане у Триполију зато што не сматрају да су угрожени последњим догађајима у главном граду Либије где трају антивладини протести.

Лекарка Нина Ђорђевић која са још једним лекаром и 14 медицинских сестара ради у клиници „11. јун”, у центру Триполија, рекла је агенцији Бета да клиника нормално ради и да безбедност особља ничим није угрожена.

„Радимо нормално мада је јасно да је број пацијената који долазе смањен. Зграда у којој станујем се налази у кругу клинике и највиша је у широј околини тако да са крова јасно видим Триполи, према мору - на север видим сам центар укључујући и Зелени трг, затим Гадафијеву резиденцију ... У клиници су тренутно 14 сестара и два лекара из Србије”, испричала је она.

Описујући ситуацију на улицама Триполија, Ђорђевићева је рекла да је из зграде у којој станује, пре три вечери и прексиноћ чула „пушкарања, али да од тада нема ни тога а камоли авионских напада или бомбардовања”.

Клиника „11. јун” припада националној нафтној корпорацији и, како је испричала Ђорђевићева, у њој су се до сада лечили само пацијенти који имају неког од чланова породице запосленог у некој од нафтних компанија, али да од пре три дана прима и остале пацијенте и до сада није било ниједног рањеног, рекла је ова лекарка.

Ђорђевићева је казала и да управа клинике редовно доставља запосленима храну и воду пошто продавнице не раде.

Ова лекарка из Србије испричала је и да банке не раде већ само банкомати, као и да су велике гужве на бензинским пумпама.



Ja Englezima neverujem ni kad spavaju a to smo i mi najbolje osetili na svojoj kozi  Wink
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« Reply #36 on: February 23, 2011, 09:52:58 pm »

Po mojim relativno (ponavljam relativno) dobro obaveštenim izvorima stvari stoje ovako.
Ako je Gadafi očistio Tripoli on dobija igru a evo zašto. On raspolaže, u ovom momentu sa oko 10.000 dobro naoružanih ljudi od kojih su oko 5000 plaćenici a ostalo pripadnici njegovog plemena. Svi plaćenici su ratni veterani od kojih je oko 2 do 3000 Rusa, Srba i ostalih pripadnika nacija sa Balkana, oko 1000 belih plaćenika iz Južne Afrike i Zimbabvea te oko 1 do 2000 crnih plaćenika iz Afrike. S obzirom na vrlo slabe borbene kvalitete libijskih vojnika (što uopšte nije sporno) eventualna bitka na otvorenom može da bude samo masakr jadnih Libijaca. Znači, ako je Gadafi stabilizovao stanje u Tripoliju gotovo sigurno dobija bitku.
O nekoj stranoj intervenciji nema ni govoro jer NATO nema sa čime i da hoće a Egipat ima trenutno preča posla. Jedini koji trenutno mogu da intervenišu su Izraelci ali čijoj babi za zdravlje bi to uradili.
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« Reply #37 on: February 23, 2011, 10:13:07 pm »

Ima li mesta ovu već "stariju" vest uvrstiti u kontekst.

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Washington DC, January 16, 2011 – The US intelligence community is now in a manic fit of gloating over this weekend’s successful overthrow of the Tunisian government of President Ben Ali. The State Department and the CIA, through media organs loyal to them, are mercilessly hyping the Tunisian putsch of the last few days as the prototype of a new second generation of color revolutions, postmodern coups, and US-inspired people power destabilizations. At Foggy Bottom and Langley, feverish plans are being made for a veritable Mediterranean tsunami designed to topple most existing governments in the Arab world, and well beyond. The imperialist planners now imagine that they can expect to overthrow or weaken the governments of Libya, Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Algeria, Yemen, and perhaps others, while the CIA’s ongoing efforts to remove Italian Prime Minister Berlusconi (because of his friendship with Putin and support for the Southstream pipeline) make this not just an Arab, but rather a pan-Mediterranean, orgy of destabilization.

Hunger revolution, not Jasmine revolution

Washington’s imperialist planners now believe that they have successfully refurbished their existing model of CIA color revolution or postmodern coup. This method of liquidating governments had been losing some of its prestige after the failure of the attempted plutocratic Cedars revolution in Lebanon, the rollback of the hated IMF-NATO Orange revolution in Ukraine, the ignominious collapse of June 2009 Twitter revolution in Iran, and the widespread discrediting of the US-backed Roses revolution in Georgia because of the warmongering and oppressive activities of fascist madman Saakashvili. The imperialist consensus is now that the Tunisian events prefigure a new version of people power coup specifically adapted to today’s reality, specifically that of a world economic depression, breakdown crisis, and disintegration of the globalized casino economy.

The Tunisian tumults are being described in the US press as the “Jasmine revolution,” but it is far more accurate to regard them as a variation on the classic hunger revolution. The Tunisian ferment was not primarily a matter of the middle class desire to speak out, vote, and blog. It started from the Wall Street depredations which are ravaging the entire planet: outrageously high prices for food and fuel caused by derivatives speculation, high levels of unemployment and underemployment, and general economic despair. The detonator was the tragic suicide of a vegetable vendor in Sidi Bouzid who was being harassed by the police. As Ben Ali fought to stay in power, he recognized what was causing the unrest by his gesture of lowering food prices. The Jordanian government for its part has lowered food prices there by about 5%.

Assange and Wikileaks, Key CIA Tools to Dupe Youth Bulge

The economic nature of the current unrest poses a real problem for the Washington imperialists, since the State Department line tends to define human rights exclusively in political and religious terms, and never as a matter of economic or social rights. Price controls, wages, jobless benefits, welfare payments, health care, housing, trade union rights, banking regulation, protective tariffs, and other tools of national economic self-defense have no place whatsoever in the Washington consensus mantra. Under these circumstances, what can be done to dupe the youth bulge of people under 30 who now represents the central demographic reality of most of the Arab world?

In this predicament, the CIA’s cyberspace predator drone Julian Assange and Wikileaks are providing an indispensable service to the imperialist cause. In Iceland in the autumn of 2009, Assange was deployed by his financier backers to hijack and disrupt a movement for national economic survival through debt moratorium, the rejection of interference by the International Monetary Fund, and re-launching the productive economy through an ambitious program of national infrastructure and the export of high technology capital goods, in particular in the field of geothermal energy. Assange was able to convince many in Iceland that these causes were not nearly radical enough, and that they needed to devote their energies instead to publishing a series of carefully pre-selected US government and other documents, all of which somehow targeted governments and political figures which London and Washington had some interest in embarrassing and weakening. In other words, Assange was able to dupe honest activists into going to work for the imperialist financiers. Assange has no program except “transparency,” which is a constant refrain of the US UK human rights mafia as it attempts to topple targeted governments across the developing sector in particular.

“Yes we can” or “Food prices are too damn high!”

Tunisia is perhaps the first case in which Assange and Wikileaks can make a credible claim to have detonated the coup. Most press accounts agree that certain State Department cables which were part of the recent Wikileaks document dumps and which focused on the sybaritic excess and lavish lifestyle of the Ben Ali clan played a key role in getting the Tunisian petit bourgeoisie into the streets. Thanks in part to Assange, Western television networks were thus able to show pictures of the Tunisian crowds holding up signs saying “Yes we can” rather than a more realistic and populist “Food prices are too damn high!”

Ben Ali had been in power for 23 years. In Egypt, President Mubarak has been in power for almost 30 years. The Assad clan in Syria have also been around for about three decades. In Libya, Colonel Gaddafi has been in power for almost 40 years. Hafez Assad was able to engineer a monarchical succession to his son when he died 10 years ago, and Mubarak and Gaddafi are trying to do the same thing today. Since the US does not want these dynasties, The obvious CIA tactic is to deploy assets like Twitter, Google, Facebook, Wikileaks, etc., to turn key members of the youth bulge into swarming mobs to bring down the gerontocratic regimes.

CIA Wants Aggressive New Puppets to Play Against Iran, China, Russia

All of these countries do of course require serious political as well as economic reform, but what the CIA is doing with the current crop of destabilizations has nothing to do with any positive changes in the countries involved. Those who doubt this should remember the horrendous economic and political record of the puppets installed in the wake of recent color revolutions – people like the IMF-NATO kleptocrat agents Yushchenko and Timoshenko in Ukraine, the mentally unstable warmongering dictator Saakashvili in Georgia, and so forth. Political forces that are foolish enough to accept the State Department’s idea of hope and change will soon find themselves under the yoke of new oppressors of this type. The danger is very great in Tunisia, since the forces which ousted Ben Ali have no visible leader and no visible mass political organization which could help them fight off foreign interference in the way that Hezbollah was able to do in checkmating the Lebanese Cedars putsch. In Tunis, the field is wide open for the CIA to install a candidate of its own choosing, preferably under the cover of “elections.” Twenty-three years of Ben Ali have unfortunately left Tunisia in a more atomized condition.

Why is official Washington so obsessed with the idea of overthrowing these governments? The answer has everything to do with Iran, China, and Russia. As regards Iran, the State Department policy is notoriously the attempt to assemble a united front of the entrenched Arab and Sunni regimes to be played against Shiite Iran and its various allies across the region. This had not been going well, as shown by the inability of the US to install its preferred puppet Allawi in Iraq, where the pro-Iranian Maliki seems likely to hold onto power for the foreseeable future. The US desperately wants a new generation of unstable “democratic” demagogues more willing to lead their countries against Iran than the current immobile regimes have proved to be. There is also the question of Chinese economic penetration. We can be confident that any new leaders installed by the US will include in their program a rupture of economic relations with China, including especially a cutoff of oil and raw material shipments, along the lines of what Twitter revolution honcho Mir-Hossein Mousavi was reliably reported to be preparing for Iran if he had seized power there in the summer of 2009 at the head of his “Death to Russia, death to China” rent-a-mob. In addition, US hostility against Russia is undiminished, despite the cosmetic effects of the recent ratification of START II. If for example a color revolution were to come to Syria, we could be sure that the Russian naval presence at the port Tartus, which so disturbs NATO planners, would be speedily terminated. If the new regimes demonstrate hostility against Iran, China, and Russia, we would soon find that internal human rights concerns would quickly disappear from the US agenda.

Key Destabilization Operatives of the Obama Regime

For those who are keeping score, it may be useful to pinpoint some of the destabilization operatives inside the current US regime. It is of course obvious that the current wave of subversion against the Arab countries was kicked off by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton in her much touted speech last week in Doha, Qatar last week, when she warned assembled Arab leaders to reform their economies ( according to IMF rules) and stamp out corruption, or else face ouster.

Given the critical role of Assange and Wikileaks in the current phase, White House regulations czar Cass Sunstein must also be counted among the top putschists. We should recall that on February 24, 2007 Sunstein contributed an article entitled “A Brave New Wikiworld” to the Washington Post, in which he crowed that “Wikileaks.org, founded by dissidents in China and other nations, plans to post secret government documents and to protect them from censorship with coded software.” This was in fact the big publicity breakthrough for Assange and the debut of Wikileaks in the US mainstream press — all thanks to current White House official Sunstein. May we not assume that Sunstein represents the White House contact man and controller for the Wikileaks operation?

Every Tree in the Arab Forest Might Fall

Another figure worthy of mention is Robert Malley, a well-known US left-cover operative who currently heads the Middle East and North Africa program at the International Crisis Group (ICG), an organization reputed to run on money coughed up by George Soros and tactics dreamed up from Zbigniew Brzezinski. Malley was controversial during the 2008 presidential campaign because of the anti-Israeli posturing he affects, the better to dupe the Arab leaders he targets. Malley told the Washington Post of January 16, 2011 that every tree in the Arab forest could now be about to fall: “We could go through the list of Arab leaders looking in the mirror right now and very few would not be on the list.” Arab governments would be well advised to keep an eye on ICG operatives in their countries.

Czar Cass Sunstein is now married to Samantha Power, who currently works in the White House National Security Council as Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director (boss) of the Office of Multilateral Affairs and Human Rights – the precise bureaucratic home of destabilization operations like the one in Tunisia. Power, like Malley, is a veteran of the US intelligence community’s “human rights” division, which is a past master of using legitimate beefs about repression to to replace old US clients with new puppets in a never-ending process of restless subversion. Both Malley and Power were forced to tender pro forma resignations during the Obama presidential campaign of 2008 – Malley for talking to Hamas, and Power for an obscene tirade against Hillary Clinton, who is now her bureaucratic rival.

Advice to Arab Governments, Political Forces, Trade Unions

The Arab world needs to learn a few fundamental lessons about the mechanics of CIA color revolutions, lest they replicate the tragic experience of Georgia, Ukraine, and so many others. In today’s impoverished world of economic depression, a reform program capable of defending national interests against the rapacious forces of financial globalization is the number one imperative.

Accordingly, Arab governments must immediately expel all officials of the International Monetary Fund, World Bank, and their subset of lending institutions. Arab countries which are currently under the yoke of IMF conditionalities (notably Egypt and Jordan among the Arabs, and Pakistan among the Moslem states) must unilaterally and immediately throw them off and reassert their national sovereignty. Every Arab state should unilaterally and immediately declare a debt moratorium in the form of an open-ended freeze on all payments of interest and principal of international financial debt in the Argentine manner, starting with sums allegedly owed to the IMF-World Bank. The assets of foreign multinational monopolistic firms, especially oil companies, should be seized as the situation requires. Basic food staples and fuels should be subjected to price controls, with draconian penalties for speculation, including by way of derivatives. Dirigist measures such as protective tariffs and food price subsidies can be quickly introduced. Food production needs to be promoted by production and import bounties, as well as by international barter deals. National grain stockpiles must be quickly constituted. Capital controls and exchange controls are likely to be needed to prevent speculative attacks on national currencies by foreign hedge funds acting with the ulterior political motives of overthrowing national governments. Most important, central banks must be nationalized and reconverted to a policy of 0% credit for domestic infrastructure, agriculture, housing, and physical commodity production, with special measures to enhance exports. Once these reforms have been implemented, it may be time to consider the economic integration of the Arab world as an economic development community in which the foreign exchange earnings of the oil-producing states can be put to work on the basis of mutual advantage for infrastructure and hard commodity capital investment across the entire Arab world.

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« Reply #38 on: February 24, 2011, 04:28:22 am »

Po mojim relativno (ponavljam relativno) dobro obaveštenim izvorima stvari stoje ovako.
Ako je Gadafi očistio Tripoli on dobija igru a evo zašto...
Svako od nas ima misljenje na ovu temu. Zanimljivo glediste si izneo. Moje stanoviste je nesto drugacije, posledica teorijskog razmisljanja i nekadasnje saradnje sa Libijcima.

Ako je Gadafi ocistio Tripoli kako kazes, ja kazem njemu ostaje Tripoli. Odnosno zemlja se raspada, alternativa je da ulazi u gradjanski rat, a tada sva pravila i predvidjanja devalviraju.

10.000 profesionalnih ratnika jeste sila, ali preuzeti kontrolu nad gotovo milionskim gradom kao sto je Bengazi nije mala stvar. Pored toga Bengazi i okolina je vec dugo vremena (godinama u nazad) prestonica nezvanicne opozicije. Gadafi ne moze racunati na podrsku ili rezervisanost stanovnistva tog grada kao sto je to moguce u Tripoliju.
Ako je verovati vestima da je naredio eliminaciju naftnih pogona na istoku zemlje, to govori da mozda nema u planu brzi povratak na taj deo teritorije.

Mislim da Gadafi moze imati vise problema sa buntom stanovnistva na teritoriji koju trenutno drzi, kao i sa time da ga je vecina libijskih saveznika napustila i da je izgubio podrsku relevantnih sila. U slucaju da neka ozbiljna armija pod UN zastavom rasporedi kontigent snaga na istoku zemlje, placenici ce prvi dati otkaz ako ih upute u tom pravcu.
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« Reply #39 on: February 24, 2011, 09:47:47 am »

По мом мишљењу Гадафи је одавно "дозлогрдио и Богу и људима". Изгубио је компас и контакт са стварношћу. Изненађујуће брзо се систем његове владавине распао у источном делу земље. То говори да је незадовољство дуготрајно и опште. Мораће да оде, овако или онако.

Међутим, овде није кључно питање Гадафи већ "шта се иза брега ваља". Рекао бих да на оне који га руше ни једна велика светска или регионална сила није утицала, нити може. Рекао бих да ћемо се тек суочити, осим са повећаном миграцијом становништа са овог простора ка Европи и са још радикалнијом исламизацијом. Дакле, више су "Муслиманска браћа" и верске вође утицале него ико други. Нису ово никакве "демократске" промене (као што ни гадафијева власт није била "револуционрана" ни "народна" осим, можда у првих пар година). На дуже стазе тамо неће бити стабилности и  појачаће се антиевропски ставови и деловање.
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« Reply #40 on: February 24, 2011, 11:11:54 am »

Ja koliko sam razumeo ovu situaciju znaci da se polako spremamo za treci svetski rat sa arapima,to nece biti odma ali za dvadesetak godina sigurno a mi cemo kao po obicaju biti na braniku!!
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« Reply #41 on: February 24, 2011, 02:50:27 pm »

Mene interesira jedna stvar: zasto kazemo da je Libijska vojska slabo obucena? Na sto se bazira ta ocena?
I ovo sa placenicima, dali svaki stranac koji radi za Libijski vojsku treba da bude pozvan "placenik"?
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« Reply #42 on: February 24, 2011, 02:53:52 pm »

Mene interesira jedna stvar: zasto kazemo da je Libijska vojska slabo obucena? Na sto se bazira ta ocena?
I ovo sa placenicima, dali svaki stranac koji radi za Libijski vojsku treba da bude pozvan "placenik"?
Slažem se da je izraz grub, neodmjeren i uvredljiv. Ipak su to stručnjaci u svom poslu. Nazovimo ih '' unajmljeni profesionalci ''. Stoga što među njima ima stručnjaka svih profila.
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« Reply #43 on: February 24, 2011, 03:41:04 pm »

Тешко ми је да поверујем да је Гадафи ангажовао толико број плаћеника или унајмљених професионалаца. Као да они сви седе на једном месту и на дугме одлазе где треба. Да ће Гадафи ангажовати и професионалне војнике са стране не сумњам, али толико Руса, Срба и остали братских народа са Балкана (2-3000) већ стигло тамо и ратује, апсолутно не верујем. Па где их скупи толико? Како су стигли осим ако Гадафи није знао да ће доћи до свега овога и већ их месецима прикупљао и држао у неком војном кампу или туристичком насељу замаскиране као туристе? Колико треба бродова или авиона да се толико број довезе за пар дана? Одакле су пристигли?

Да ће многа племена (традиционално већ наоружана) из Сахаре и њеног обода са југа (укључујем пре свега Судан, Чад, Нигер) сама кренути у соло акције сигурно. Они раде за себе и баш их брига и за Гадафија, "демократске" промене и "револуционаре" са истока Либије. Биће ту још борби око плена, а плен није мали.
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« Reply #44 on: February 24, 2011, 03:54:26 pm »

Slažem se džumba, da je to sa visoko stručnim kadrom iz Rusije i nesvrstanih bratskih zemalja vjerovatno malo PR, da se stari kupus duva i uljeva strah u kosti. Ja mislim, da je za večinu tih, koji su tamo došli iz vana, naziv plačenik u istinu pravi, jer jih je najvjerovatnije veči dio običnih gladnih crnih, kojima su ponudili par sto ili tusuča dolara, dali jim pušku i ajd, idri po siromacima. Isto će biti zanimljivo vidjeti, koli su mu ti, koji ga brane, lojalni, kad jim jednom navale ljuti "seljaci" i plemenski starešine. Sve mi se čini, da će njih puno odglumiti Grunfa i okrenut tave, lonce, sjekire, puške, topove i ostalo željezo za pola obrtaja.
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