Republic F-47D Thunderbolt - JRV

[pvde67]

Hi All,

While searching for other information, I found this on the JRV F-47. Thought I should share it with those interested.

The total numnber of F-47D for JRV initially planned (by 30 june 1951) : 126

The actual situation:

1951:
shipment december 1951: 20

1952:
shipment january 1952: 32
shipment february 1952: 26
shipment march 1952: 24
shipment april 1952: 7
shipment may 1952: 2
shipment june 1952: 4
shipment july 1952: 3
shipment august 1952: 2
shipment september 1952: 3
shipment october 1952: 1
shipment november 1952: 0
shipment december 1952: 0
total active F-47 by 30 september 1952: 93, inactive 23, total 116
total active F-47 by 31 december 1952: 112, inactive 8, total 120

1953:
shipment january 1953: 0
shipment february 1953: 2
total active F-47 by 31 march 1953: 111, inactive 9, total 120
total active F-47 by 30 june 1953: 106, inactive 12, total 118
total active F-47 by 30 september 1953: 112, inactive 29, total 141
total active F-47 by 31 december 1953: 118, inactive 21, total 139

1954:
total active F-47 by 31 march 1954: 130, inactive 7, total 137
total active F-47 by 30 june 1954: 126, inactive 10, total 136

source of information: official USAFinformation on  FY 1951, 1952, 1953, 1954 until 30 june 1954

[ZuluDelta]

Bravo  

Pozdrav ZD


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[markobe]

Hello !

Thank you for some very interesting data. There is a little problem with it, though. According to data you posted there were 126 aircraft delivered to Yugoslavia. But in the available literature there are only 125 aircraft mentioned.

So, looks like there is one extra F-47D mentioned in your data. The question now is which data is correct ? How many F-47D's were delivered to JRV in the end - 125 or 126 ?

Hopefully some of the more knowledgable forum members can solve this dilemma.

[MOTORISTA]

Excelent.

[pvde67]

The interesting thing is this: the MDAP PLANNING (!) called for 126 aircraft, but that is a mere planned number. The actual number of aircraft delivered might differ. With many other MDAP funded aircraft for NATO/Title I, Title II and Title III countries, this was the case. ( for instance MDAP FY1951 planning called for 194 F-84G for The Netherlands, actual delivered 166).

Now, the FY 1955 states "cumulative deliveries as of 30 jun 1954" for the JRV F-47D: 126. To me, by coincidende, this is the number as planned. When I review the "total active F-47 by 30 september 1953: 112, inactive 29, total 141" as stated in the FY1954 review, a total of 141 must have been delivered to the JRV.

Further, the 126 versus 125 might also be the case of an aircraft lost (crashed) on delivery. Often, these are still visible in USAF FY records, but not in a country's record (obvious, the aircraft never arrived)

[pvde67]

We continue :-)
1954:
total active F-47 by 30 september 1954: 121, inactive 13, total 134
total active F-47 by 31 december 1954: 132, inactive 0, total 132

1955:
total active F-47 by 31 march 1955: 132, inactive 0, total 132
total active F-47 by 30 june 1955: 131, inactive 0, total 132

During 1955, flying hours started to appear on the FY inventory, named
"MDAP aircraft flying hours by area and country fiscal year 1955" (1956, etc..)

1954:
30jun54-30sep54:6.293 hours
01oct54-31dec54: 2.190 hours

1955:
01jan55-31mar55: 1.954 hours
01apr-30jun55: 4.771 hours
01jul55-30sep55: 4.173 hours
01oct55-31dec55: 0 hours

source of information: official USAF information on  FY 1954, 1955, until 30 june 1956

So, interesting is the number of F-47 aircraft delivered to the JRV, according to the official USAF FY overviews. The total in the review states 126, when we count the actual deliveries by month, the number is 126. Funny to see that the other offical list (active/inactive) gives other numbers..

I would go for 126 a/c delivered...

[pvde67]

I did find some very old notes on JRV F-47, which I noted many years ago

All the below mentioned s/n are delivered as project MAP 000006, via Newark, New Jersey, USA

USAF s/n  s/o/s date
44-90285  22.09.52
44-90312  22.09.52
44-90320  03.07.52
44-90350  03.07.52
44-90367  08.08.52
44-90374  23.10.52
44-90480  02.07.52

45-49194  11.08.52
45-49210  22.09.52
45-49399  15.02.53

source: USAF individual aircraft record cards
Nice to see these data match with the USAF FY reviews

[markobe]

Thank you for info Paul. It's really interesting.

But these numbers of delivered aircraft are definitely something new for most of us, I'm sure. So far in literature there were always mentioned 125 aircraft delivered from USAF and 25 aircraft that were later bought from France. 150 F-47D's in total.

...as stated in the FY1954 review, a total of 141 must have been delivered to the JRV.

141 aircraft delivered from USAF, that's something completely different ! This data brings a lot of questions. I think we definitely need some help here.  

...Further, the 126 versus 125 might also be the case of an aircraft lost (crashed) on delivery.

This might be the case. That idea also crossed my mind.

USAF s/n  s/o/s date

45-49399  15.02.53

According to available data in a book about YU AF this is the last, (125th) aircraft delivered to YU AF. The aircraft was delivered 02.1953.
Looks like at the moment there are more questions than answers about JRV F-47D's...    

[pvde67]

Thank you for info Paul. It's really interesting.

But these numbers of delivered aircraft are definitely something new for most of us, I'm sure. So far in literature there were always mentioned 125 aircraft delivered from USAF and 25 aircraft that were later bought from France. 150 F-47D's in total.

...as stated in the FY1954 review, a total of 141 must have been delivered to the JRV.

141 aircraft delivered from USAF, that's something completely different ! This data brings a lot of questions. I think we definitely need some help here.  

...Further, the 126 versus 125 might also be the case of an aircraft lost (crashed) on delivery.

This might be the case. That idea also crossed my mind.

USAF s/n  s/o/s date

45-49399  15.02.53

According to available data in a book about YU AF this is the last, (125th) aircraft delivered to YU AF. The aircraft was delivered 02.1953.
Looks like at the moment there are more questions than answers about JRV F-47D's...    

Hi Marko,

I might be possible the USAF list has a mistake on the active/inactive list? Either made in the USA, or wrong data from Yugoslavia. To me, the JRV had 126 delivered, from the USA.
Or have the reports included the ones received from France? Then the reports on active/inactive would be  correct . I have no knowledge on the JRV F-47D's, merely reporting what  I found in USAF archives.

Paul

[markobe]

Hi Paul

...Or have the reports included the ones received from France? Then the reports on active/inactive would be  correct .

Yes, this is probably the case. At first I thought that these USAF reports were only about the aircraft delivered from USAF to JRV. That's why the number of 141 delivered F-47D's sounded strange.

Most probably they put ALL JRV F-47D's in these reports, both the ones delivered from USAF and the ones bought from France. Since the "French" aircraft were received during September of 1953, it makes sense that on the Sept. 30th the total number of JRV F-47D's was 141...

So, the numbers from USAF archives could be correct in the end. The total number of aircraft received from USAF is still not clear though - 125 or 126 ?
 
Maybe some of the colleagues that have access to data from JRV register can comment on that. And hopefully solve the "puzzle"...

Marko

[bojanSDK1]

There were 150 MDAP supplied F-47D Thunderbolts in Yugoslav AF.

-125 F-47D Thunderbolts received directly from the United States, mostly in 1952, and
-25 ex French F-47D in mid-1953. Those were without wing armament. 

They served in following Fighter-bomber regiments (at that time, they have structure and strength equivalent to the USAF squadron):

83. Pula, Cerklje and Zadar: 1952-1954/55 and 172. Zadar, Pula: 1952-1954, both with 21st Mixed Aviation Division at Zadar
111. 1952-1961, 96. 1954-1960 and 138. 1954-5/1958, all with 37th FB Aviation Division at Cerklje
150. Nis, 1952-1958, 81. 1954-1961 and 107. 1957-1960, with 29rth FB Aviation Division at Nis
94. and 198. Skoplje, 1952-1954 both with 39th FB Aviation Division at Skoplje.

Also, they were used by Aviation Test Centre at Batajnica, throughout thet carrier in YAF, and temporary Conversion Centre at Pula (1952)

Bojan

[pvde67]

There were 150 MDAP supplied F-47D Thunderbolts in Yugoslav AF.

-125 F-47D Thunderbolts received directly from the United States, mostly in 1952, and
-25 ex French F-47D in mid-1953. Those were without wing armament. 

They served in following Fighter-bomber regiments (at that time, they have structure and strength equivalent to the USAF squadron):

83. Pula, Cerklje and Zadar: 1952-1954/55 and 172. Zadar, Pula: 1952-1954, both with 21st Mixed Aviation Division at Zadar
111. 1952-1961, 96. 1954-1960 and 138. 1954-5/1958, all with 37th FB Aviation Division at Cerklje
150. Nis, 1952-1958, 81. 1954-1961 and 107. 1957-1960, with 29rth FB Aviation Division at Nis
94. and 198. Skoplje, 1952-1954 both with 39th FB Aviation Division at Skoplje.

Also, they were used by Aviation Test Centre at Batajnica, throughout thet carrier in YAF, and temporary Conversion Centre at Pula (1952)

Bojan

Hi Bojan,
I did send you a PM a few days ago, did you get that reply from me?

paul

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