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« Reply #15 on: December 10, 2015, 01:26:53 pm »

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« Reply #16 on: December 10, 2015, 02:50:49 pm »


Verzija F - Franz, ali skoro sigurno replika.
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« Reply #17 on: December 13, 2015, 03:24:44 am »

 Verzija je G ,tačnije G-4 (pored drugih detalja karakteristično za F verzije je uvlačeći repni točak,što kod G i K nije slučaj).Tačno je da se radi o prepravljenom "špancu" (HA-1112M-1L).Imao je "burnu"  Grin istoriju:


Bf(Me)109 D-FWME “Red Seven” was originally a Spanish production aircraft with the serial number 139 and was rebuilt into a G-4 version with a DB 605A engine.

D-FWME was built as HA 1112 M-1L in Spain with the serial number 139 and the registration number C.4K-75.

1950: Probable year of construction
16/10/1958: Allocated to the 71st squadron.
24/10/1958: Arrives at the 71st squadron.
01/04/1965: 471st squadron
18/10/1965: Acquired by Maestranza Aerea de Sevilla.
12/12/1965: Decommissioned after 216 hours, 50 minutes of pure flying time at Tablada AFB.
07/1966: Purchased by Battle of Britain movie production, transported to England (T.G.Mahaddie / Spitfire Productions Ltd) with the registration G-AWHG. Modified to look like a Bf 109 E-4.
14/05/1968: Flies as a Yellow 11 (‘Gelbe 11’) and Red 14 (‘Rote 14’) in the film ‘Battle of Britain’.
01/1969: Damaged during take-off from Le-Havre. Ferrying flight for the film ‘Patton’.
07/1970: Paul Jameson, Betchworth, UK (condition: disassembled)
21/02/1973: Fairoaks Aviation, Blackbushe, UK
08/1974: Aircraft sold in the USA: Meryl D. Schulke, Orlando, FL with the registration N3109G
25/10/1974: David C. Tallichet, Chino CA
05/1986: MARC (MILITARY AIRC REST CORP, ANAHEIM, CA), Chino, CA, as N3109, restored in Casper, WY
28/05/1986: Aircraft crashes during a test flight in Casper, WY and is restored to resemble a Bf 109 for static display.
1994/95: Sold to buyers in La Ferté Alais / France. Some time later, the fuselage is taken to the company Bitz Flugzeugbau in Augsburg, Germany. The wing areas remain in France
10/1997: Aircraft purchased by MAC (Messerschmitt Air Company) in Albstadt. Over the following years the plane is restored from scratch and made airworthy by Dieter Beck, Werner Grammel, Wilhelm Heinz and Siegfried Knoll, and is modified to use a DB 605 engine.
23/08/2004: Another maiden flight as Bf 109 G-4, flown by Walter Eichhorn.
16/07/2005: Suffers serious damage while landing at Albstadt-Degerfeld airfield. The pilot Siegfried Knoll is unhurt. MAC carries out a total of 103 flights with an overall flight time of 32 hours.
2007: The owners at the time want to sell the aircraft and contact what was then EADS. Negotiations run smoothly and EADS becomes the new owner of the Rote Sieben.
13/04/2008: Maiden flight after successful restoration by MAC.
15/04/2008: During the second flight after restoration, the plane suffers a belly landing in Manching after problems with the landing gear.
19/02/2009: Another maiden flight takes place after repairs in Manching.
18/08/2013: Belly landing in Roskilde / Denmark after engine problems.  pilot
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« Reply #20 on: February 03, 2016, 10:20:20 pm »

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Das legendäre Jagdflieger-Ass Hans Joachim Marseille (158 Luftsiege) im Frühjahr 1941 in Graz-Thalerhof. Er zeigt hier auf ein Loch oberhalb des des Ladelufttkühlers/Sandfilter seiner Me-109E-7, welches ihm eine jugoslawische Flakgranate bei einem Einsatz von Thalerhof aus schlug.

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« Reply #21 on: June 17, 2016, 09:51:06 am »

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Захват немецкого летчика у Мессершмитта Bf.109G-2 (заводской №13689) из состава I./JG53 «Pik-As». Пилот этого самолета унтер-офицер Герхард Рисс был захвачен в плен после вынужденной посадки из-за отказа двигателя 8 сентября 1942 г. в районе Сталинграда.

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« Reply #22 on: March 09, 2017, 08:17:18 pm »

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« Reply #23 on: March 09, 2017, 09:05:59 pm »

Opa, ima tu još dobro sačuvanih lepotana iz tog doba! Baš su lepi!

Jedno pitanje na nas neuke:
kako su startovali motore ti klipni avioni?
Jesu li imali ugrađene akumulatore i samim tim bili potpuno autonomni u odnosu na opremljene baze, ili su se oslanjali na zemaljske startere?
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« Reply #24 on: March 09, 2017, 09:30:48 pm »


Verzija F - Franz, ali skoro sigurno replika.

da udarim quote sam sebi. Položaj izduvnika može značiti da je motor ipak DB601!? Posle rata se nije pravio. Možda su Šveđani pravili DB 605, ili su se oslanjali na uvezene motore do 1945?
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« Reply #25 on: March 10, 2017, 03:30:03 pm »

A šta ovi kurblaju?
Je li u pitanju neki zamajac, ili električni starter? Pošto nije obična kurbla, koja direktno ide na radilicu.
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« Reply #26 on: March 11, 2017, 07:23:47 pm »

A šta ovi kurblaju?
Je li u pitanju neki zamajac, ili električni starter? Pošto nije obična kurbla, koja direktno ide na radilicu.
Inercioni starter.
Negde ga pobude ručno , negde strujom, recimo na AN-2.
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« Reply #27 on: March 11, 2017, 08:49:42 pm »



U uputstvu za motor DB605 (PDF je, pa neće da mi izdvoji jednu stranu ni u jpg ni u png) piše da je startovanje inerciono. Takođe ima priključak za električno ili ručno startovanje.
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« Reply #28 on: March 11, 2017, 08:59:37 pm »

To bi prosto rečeno značilo da se ručno ili električno pokrene neki zamajac koji je dovoljno moćan da startuje motor.
A šta ako se motor ne pokrene iz prvog pokušaja - zamajac se mora ponovo zavrtiti?

Isto, nije mi jasno: zamajac mora da bude dosta masivan da bi pokrenuo motor od 12 cilindara. To je dodatna težina za inače dosta lagan avion kao što je 109. Umesto masivnog zamajca moglo bi stati dosta goriva u avion čime bi se povećao dolet ...

Izvinite, ovo su samo moja laička razmišljanja, jer ne znam kako sve to izgleda u praksi (kako izgleda mehanika tog uređaja)
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« Reply #29 on: March 11, 2017, 09:43:40 pm »

Evo šta se kaže u Tehničkom opisu i uputu za avione Meseršmit Me-109, sa motorom Dajmler-Benc DB-601 iz 1940. godine:

"...Dati da se navije pokretač motora (anlaser-zamajni opaljač) pomoću krivaje koja stoji u prostoru za prtljag. Osovina pokretača otora nalazi se na desnoj strani gore..."
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