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« on: September 26, 2008, 02:47:53 am »

Obzirom na nedostatak sopstvenih kapaciteta za izgradnju nosaca aviona, i veoma visoku cenu modernizacije postojecih, rusi bi mogli da ponude ukrajincima dogovor po kojem bi revitalizovali 3 ukrajinska brodogradilista koja su u bankrotu. Ovaj dogovor bi istovremeno bio jedan od primamljivih predloga koje bi rusi dali ukrajincima kako bi ih nagovorili da produze ugovor o stacioniranju crnomorske flote na Krimu posle 2017. godine.

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MOSCOW, September 24 (RIA Novosti) - Moscow may offer Ukraine contracts to build aircraft carriers for the Russian Navy, a senior Russian lawmaker told RIA Novosti on Wednesday.

He commented on Russian Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov's statement on Tuesday that Russia could make several lucrative proposals to Ukraine that could convince Kiev to allow Russia's Black Sea Fleet to remain in Sevastopol after 2017, when the lease on the naval base in the Crimea expires.

"We can offer Ukraine extensive and lucrative opportunities in the sphere of shipbuilding. They have the Nikolaev shipyards that used to build aircraft carriers during Soviet times," said Vyacheslav Popov, a former commander of the Northern Fleet who now sits in the upper house of parliament.

"These shipyards are bankrupt and abandoned at present and with mutual consent we could help reactivate them," Popov said.

Russia currently lacks the capacity to build aircraft carriers and modernizing its existing shipyards would be an expensive and lengthy proposition.

Popov said though that this proposal "may become a sensitive issue" as Ukraine's pro-Western president, Viktor Yushchenko, is seeking NATO and EU membership for the country.

Yushchenko has called for the Russian navy's early withdrawal from the Sevastopol base, as well as tougher deployment requirements and higher fees, demands that have not been backed by his former coalition ally, Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko.

Russia-Ukraine tensions heightened after several Black Sea Fleet warships dropped anchor off the Georgian coast during and after last month's armed conflict with Tbilisi over breakaway South Ossetia.

Ukraine's Foreign Ministry said later Wednesday that Ukrainian and Russian delegations would meet in Kiev Thursday for a new round of discussions on the operation of the base in the context of the Georgia conflict.

"During the consultations Ukraine will set out its position on the Black Sea Fleet's action during crisis situations," the ministry said.

Russia's naval base in the Crimea currently has 50 warships and patrol boats, along with around 80 aircraft, and employs coastal defense troops.
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« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2008, 12:21:36 pm »

Ovo je veoma interesantno, naročito imajući u vidu "iznenadna" nastojanja popularne Jovanke Orelanke da održava koliko-toliko dobre veze sa Rusijom.

S druge strane, nije mi jasno, zar je moguće da Rusija nema znatno veća brodogradilišta u Murmasnkom zalivu?
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« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2008, 12:42:00 pm »

Problem je sto su sva tri brodogradilista koja su osposobljena za gradnju nosaca aviona u vreme sssr-a bila smestena u Ukrajini, tako da Rusija nema brodogradiliste sposobno da gradi nosac aviona, opciono, oni mogu da osposobe neko od postojecih, ali to zahteva mnogo ulaganja, i ocigledno je da su shvatili da im je jeftinije, i geopoliticki povoljnije, da izvuku ukrajinska brodogradilista iz bankrota. Na taj nacin bi svi u regionu dobili, rusi nosace aviona, moguci produzetak ugovora o boravku crnomorske flote na Krimu, a ukrajinci bi tri velika gubitasa pretvorili u veliki izvor prihoda kao i mnogo radnih mesta. Naravno, uz sve to treba navesti i da bi ovakav razvoj dogadjaja doneo preko potrebnu stabilnost u regionu, obzirom na zaostravanje odnosa u poslednje vreme upravo izmedju ove dve zemlje.
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« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2008, 01:47:32 pm »

Tačno je da su najvažnija brodogradilišta ostala u Ukrajini (pre svih Černomorskij zavod), ali sam bio ubeđen da su Rusi osposobili Rosta brodogradilište (kod Murmanska) u kojem je i završen nosač aviona Admiral Kuznjecov.

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Kuznjecov u brodogradilištu Rosta

Kuznjecov na doku se može videti na Google Earth-u na lat=69.04035, lon=33.068976.


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« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2008, 07:45:24 pm »

Pa i brodogradiliste Sevmash u Severnodvinsku (link: http://www.sevmash.ru/?id=739&lg=ru ) je tehnicki u stanju da napravi nosac aviona, sto je dokazano remontom i prosirenjem nosaca Vikramaditya za RM Indije. Medjutim, posto Rusija hoce da gradi ni manje ni vise nego 6 NA, tako da pretpostavljam da sam Sevmash nije u stanju da dovrsi gradnju u nekom razumnom roku. Treba uzeti u obzir i cinjenicu da Rusija ubrzano ne gradi samo nosace aviona, vec i strateske nuklearne podmornice, a vecina ih se gradi upravo u Sevmashu.
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« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2008, 12:27:59 am »

Nisam znao da je Sevmaš brodogradilište korišćeno za doradu bojnih brodova. Vojni deo brodogradilišta je poznato kao najveća podmornička radionica u Rusiji. Ako se pogleda na Google Earth-u (lat=64.5860177839, lon=39.8220325479), to je severni deo brodogradilišta. Inače, na dokovima stoji neverovatan broj podmornica duž cele obale, uključujući i nekoliko Tajfuna, a od brodova, tu je i Admiral Ušakov (nije mi poznato od kada su snimci). Južni deo baze je civilni sektor za izgradnju putničko-teretnog programa.
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