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« Reply #15 on: September 10, 2013, 10:33:59 pm »

Sa dodatnim oklopom i protivminskom zaštitom ima 35 tona a bez toga 30 tona
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« Reply #16 on: November 11, 2013, 09:53:59 pm »

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« Reply #17 on: November 12, 2013, 03:02:26 pm »

Po izgledu, obećava, ali ništa dok ga ne vidimo na strelištu.

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Ovde već ima oznaku PL-02. Izgleda da rade na njemu.
A i ako se ne varam, smanjeni su mu napadni uglovi, naručito u frontalnom delu koji je i najvažniji, u odnosu na predhodnike.


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« Reply #18 on: January 03, 2014, 11:40:00 pm »

Sve u svemu, izgleda da su poljaci ozbiljni u nameri da proizvedu ovaj tenk. Prema piscu ovog teksta, PL-01 bi trebalo da uđe u serijsku proizvodnju 2018.

PL-01: New generation tank or simply PR project?

The International Defense Industry Exhibition MSPO 2013 took place in early September of this year in the Polish city of Kielce. The main novelty was shown to the public before the exhibition. This was a new development - PL-01 tank that a consortium of Polish defense companies decided to show to a wide audience before the opening of the exhibition.

 The Poles announced the commencement of work on a new project of a national tank back in mid-February. Then it was reported that companies OBRUM, Bumar and Huta Stalowa Wola have begun the development of a promising tank for the Polish Armed Forces. Later, in May, a cooperation agreement with the corporation BAE Systems was signed.

At first the information about the tank was quite scarce. It was reported that it will have a combat weight of approximately 45-50 tons, the turret was to be unmanned, and the ammunition was to be placed in an insulated compartment similar to that of Abrams tanks. The pictures of the tank resembled those of another Polish development, Anders, and, apparently, the tank was to represent its revised version.

 After the first presentation in February the long-term Polish tank was forgotten, and reemerged in the news only after its life-size model was built and shown at the exhibition. The model brought to the MSPO 2013 was similar to that demonstrated in February. However, a new concept had a number of differences. Polish tank builders have likely taken into account the peculiarities of certain technical solutions and changed the appearance of their prospective tank to incorporate all new trends.

However, a concept model is one thing. One can invent and manufacture anything of plywood and plastic. Its real embodiment in metal is quite another story. So far the new Polish tank PL-01 is still far from practical application, although its main features have now been identified and are likely to remain unchanged in the future. Previous developments of a Polish tank Anders were widely used in the project. At some point Anders was considered an advanced development and was meant to radically improve the state of the Polish armored forces.
   

Generally, PL-01 has the overall layout of the Anders tank, which indicates the preference of the Polish designers. The engine-transmission compartment is located at the front of the tank, similar to Israeli tank Merkava, and the rest of the space is designed to house the crew and ammunition. The idea of the front location of engine and transmission is supported by the shape of the front of the vehicle with the driver's hatch shifted back, again similar to Merkava.   

It is too early to talk about the armor characteristics of the PL-01as not much can be said about the thickness and design of the armor based on a model. Perhaps, as in other modern tanks, the most powerful armor on this tank will be installed in the front part of the hull and turret. In any case, the tilt of the upper front part will improve the defense of the front projection. The sides of the model have large, relatively thick screens. Judging by the size and appearance, they may contain a multi-layer composite armor, but we can only guess what material it will be made of.

 PL-01 turret is small, and like the hull has a peculiar shape of numerous flat panels, but the reasons behind this technical solution are not entirely clear. It is likely that the design considered the possibility of reducing the radar detectability of the tank through the application of stealth technology.

There is another theory that the unusual appearance of the tank is due to purely aesthetic preferences of the designers. If so, it is not very good, because tanks, just like restaurants, should be built for the consumer rather than for pleasing personal tastes.  A restaurant built to the taste of the designer is 80 percent likely to go bankrupt, and tanks are no different. An attractive appearance is not an indicator for the tank, as tanks are not planes.

 One of the most controversial solutions in terms of the original appearance is the casing of the guns. The quadrilateral chopped design is significantly different from those used in modern tanks. This fact may also confirm the aesthetic theory of the origin of a number of units.

 Most obviously the "aesthetics" of the tank was manifested in the original casing covering its 120-mm smoothbore gun. Only a small part of the trunk and a muzzle brake come out of the front sheet of the casing.

 The surface of the casing smoothly moves into the upper and lower sheets of the turret armor. This solution is optimal, which cannot be said about the gun. None of the modern battle tanks have muzzle brakes on the gun, and even more so, slotted brakes with as many as nine slots. As evident from military experience, a muzzle brake adversely affects the accuracy when hitting long-range targets.

When the gas passes through the brake, the barrel jolts as many times as it has exit points for gas. While the overall deviation is very small, at a distance of one and a half to two kilometers it can reach several meters. This is why the 125-mm gun of the Russian T-90 tank, and 120-millimeter German gun Rheinmetall on Leopard and Abrams tanks, as well as the 120-millimeter gun on the Israeli Merkava do not have muzzle brakes in principle.

 The turret of PL-01 is equipped with an advanced niche in its rear part that, as in one of the Anders tank, will house an autoloader. A remote control rifle-caliber machine gun and smoke grenade launchers are mounted on the roof of the turret. In addition, on the roof of the turret, close to the sides, there are two blocks with some equipment that looks like a video camera. Their purpose is not yet clear.

 These blocks can rotate around a vertical axis and swing in a vertical plane. Another optical system unit is located in front of the turret, near the mask guns. Most likely, it is meant for the surveillance crew. If it is placed inside the hull, appropriate means of monitoring the environmental terrain will be required. Perhaps, this is why installation of a developed system of video and thermal imaging cameras is planned for PL-01.

The systems installed above the gun, as well as certain equipment to the right will likely be used for guiding weapons. On the front part of the turret, to the right of the gun, there is a small niche with two optical devices. To the left of the gun a large vertical slit is provided for in the turret, apparently intended for coaxial machine gun. 

PL- 01 will receive a promising fire control system of foreign production, an active protection complex, and a number of other important systems. International Corporation BAE Systems will likely be involved in the creation of complex electronic equipment for this tank. 

PL-01 is currently at the stage of early design development, and no more. In a short term the tank-building Polish consortium will show only its mockup at shows and exhibitions. The construction of its metal concept will start in a year or two, and testing of the finished tank is planned for 2016. If the work is completed according to the schedule, serial supply of PL- 01 to customers may start in 2018.

It is still early to say what the result of this work will be and who exactly would acquire the new Polish tanks. Most likely, they will be purchased by the Polish Ministry of Defense. Then other countries and military experts may start ordering, attracted by the original design of the tank and its price, expected to be significantly lower than that of the recognized global leaders of the modern tank building.

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« Reply #19 on: January 17, 2014, 02:14:55 pm »

Ala će ovo biti skupo kada se završi...
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« Reply #20 on: January 17, 2014, 03:04:20 pm »

I ako se uopšte završi. Proćiće još dosta vremena dok ovaj tenk ne bude skroz operativan, ili dok ne izbace radnu verziju ovog tenka.
Ovo sada je sada samo jako lep prikaz tenkova u budućnosti (ovo će možda biti peta tehnološka generacija tenkova), koliko će promena da pretrpi i uopšte kako će izgledati konačan operativan tenk, ostaje nam da vidimo.
Samo za testiranje radne verzije tenka treba sigurno dve godine.
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« Reply #21 on: January 17, 2014, 04:03:59 pm »

I imaće jedno 120 tona... Ovi su samo za razliku od SDPR-a išli na napredniji kurs iz informatike gdje su ih obučili za rad u programima za 3D projektovanje i animaciju, dok su ovi ostali na početnom kursu Photoshopa Wink
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« Reply #22 on: January 17, 2014, 04:14:33 pm »

Nemoj tako Trifko, vidiš da su ovladali pored Fotošopa i AutoCAD-om. Smiley
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« Reply #23 on: January 17, 2014, 06:17:12 pm »


Problem je da li će biti dopušteno tamo nekoj Poljskoj, velikoj skoro kao Francuska, sa oko 38 miliona stanovnika, da napravi svoj tenk i napravi njime komercijalni proboj na tržištu. Plate su znatno veće, Poljska se dobro preorijentisala, izgleda najbolje od svih zemalja bivšeg VU, napredovali su znatno, ali doktrina ograničenog suvereniteta je samo promenila polarnost, tj. geografski predznak od istoka na zapad. Ko misli suprotno, ljuto se vara. Vojni analitičari međuratnog perioda su se čudili i krstili koliko Poljaci neoprezno iskaču, iznose teritorijalne, političke i ekonomske pretenzije prema susedima, otvoreno pronose ideju poljskog velikodržavlja, tražeći maltene i Kijev i Minsk.

Onda se pojavio mršavi brka, talentovani moler i bivši kaplar...
A drugi Brka, ustvari mnogo talentovaniji, pripomogao je sa Istoka...
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« Reply #24 on: April 03, 2014, 06:44:02 am »

Laki borbeni tenk PL-01, sa karakteristikama teškog borbenog tenka, u upotrebi več (najverojatnije) 2018. godine.

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LAHKI BOJNI TANK PL-01 Z LASTNOSTMI TEŽKEGA BOJNEGA TANKA

Poljski tank PL-01, katerega prototip razvijata poljsko obrambno podjetje Obrum in britansko BAE Systems, bi lahko vstopil v sestavo Poljske vojske že v letu 2018, poročajo mediji.

Prototip lahkega bojnega tanka PL-01 so prvič predstavili na Mednarodnem oborožitvenem sejmu MSPO-2013 v Kielcah na Poljskem. Z novim konceptom oklepnega bojnega vozila za neposredno ognjeno podporo želijo razviti lahko bojno vozilo z mobilnostjo in ognjeno močjo kot pri najnovejši generaciji glavnega bojnega tanka. Sodoben glavni bojni tank ima skupno težo 50-60 ton, medtem ko tank PL-01 tehta 35 ton, kar je velika prednost  za prevoz z  vojaškimi transportnimi letali.

Oblika tanka PL-01 je zelo podobna standardnim glavnim bojnim tankom, kjer je voznikov prostor v sprednjem delu, kupola  brez posadke pa na zadnjem delu. Vendar pa ima tank PL-01 veliko ostrih kotov, ki so namenjeni zmanjšanju radarskega podpisa in. Prav tako so na trup in kupolo namestili hladilne oplate za zmanjšanje toplotne slike, kar še dodatno pripomore k tehnologiji prikrite kamuflaže. Te tehnologije omogočajo, da se tank PL-01 ujema z infrardečim podpisom okolja, kar zmede sledilne sisteme, ki uporabljajo infrardeče radarje.

Lahki poljski tank PL-01 je opremljen tudi z zunanjimi infrardečimi senzorji za ustvarjanje infrardeče kamuflaže glede na okolico. Sistem tudi omogoča, da je toplotni podpis tanka na radarju videti kot  avto ali kak drug predmet.

Tank PL-01 je opremljen s kupolo brez posadke, ki je lahko oborožena z avtomatskim topom kalibra 105 mm ali 120 mm, s klasičnimi ali protioklepnimi vodenimi izstrelki.

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« Reply #26 on: August 22, 2014, 01:56:15 pm »

Minimum posade je još uvjek 3 člana - vozač, nišanđija, komandir.

Te članove, barem oko 40 granata, top 2 mitraljeza te još oko 2000 metaka treba zaštiti adekvatnim oklopom,  a za to ti treba motor, koji omogučava, da tenk ide 70 km na čas te da je radij kretanja oko 500 km.

Ovaj tenk ima još uvjek preveliku silhuetu za svoju masu, pa mu je oklop još uvjek preloš. Zaštita okoopa (debljina) nekdje na nivoju Leoparda 1.


Naznam, zašto Poljaci trebaju laki tenk. To bi se isplatilo razvijati amerikancima, koji trebaju slati tenk na drugi kraj svjeta. Za poljake bilo bi bolje još kupiti, izraditi oko 300 novih tenkova, ...
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« Reply #27 on: August 22, 2016, 12:22:49 pm »

Vir: Defendr hr
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22.08.2016.

Poljska će završiti sa BAE Systems prototip PL-01 tenka do kraja 2016.


PL-01 koncept prototipa tenka zajednički razvijaju Obrum iz Poljske i BAE Systems iz Velike Britanije te se procjenjuje da će biti dovršen do kraja ove godine. U slučaju da prototip bude pozitivno ocijenjen i odobren, masovna proizvodnja bi mogla početi 2018. godine.

Trenutno, OS Poljske koriste oko 900 borbenih tenkova, uključujući PT-91 Twardy i Leopard 2. Također postoji oko 400 T-72 koji su u skladištima. Nakon što PL-01 krene u proizvodnju, on će se ponuditi i za izvoz.

Poljski parlamentarni Odbor za nacionalnu obranu odobrio je proračun za obranu u 2016. od PLN35.9 milijardi (USD8.9 milijardi), što je povećanje od 9,4% u odnosu na prošlu godinu. Lavovski dio – PLN1.9 milijardi – ići će na programe tehničke modernizacije OS Poljske. Ukupno, Poljska će potrošiti PLN9.3 milijardi na program modernizacije, a PLN0.9 milijardi ide na vojne istraživačke i razvojne programe.

PL-01 se temelji na lakom švedskom tenku CV90120-T. PL-01 također dijeli neke sličnosti sa lakim tenkom Anders, koji se također temelji na istoj platformi. Težina budućeg PL-01 tenka je 35 t. Drugi izvori tvrde da će tenk težiti oko 45-50 t.

Tenk ima modularni keramičko-aramidni oklop, koji je dizajniran kako bi osigurao zaštitu kompatibilnu sa NATO standardom STANAG 4569 Aneks A na razini 5+ a koja se proteže preko prednjih dijelova trupa i kupole. Dodatni oklopni paneli su postavljeni na kupoli i trupu, te su dizajnirani da pružaju potpunu zaštitu od niza projektila. Trup vozila pruža zaštitu protiv improviziranih eksplozivnih naprava (IED) i mina u skladu s Dodatkom B 4a i 4b STANAG 4569.

PL-01 će biti opremljen sa 940 KS (700 kW) + dizelskim motorom, automatskim mjenjačem i pomoćnim mehanizmom. Vozilo može dostići brzinu i do 70 kilometara na sat (43 mph) na asfaltiranim cestama te 50 kilometara na sat (31 mph) na teškom terenu uz maksimalni radijus 500 kilometara (310 mi).

Primarno oružje PL-01 je 105 ili 120 mm top ugrađen u besposadnu kupolu, u skladu sa standardima NATO-a. Topa će moći ispaljivati konvencionalne projektile i vođene protuoklopne rakete. Automatski punjač osigurava stopu od 6 granata u minuti. Vozilo nosi 45 komada granata, od kojih se 16 nalaze u utorima unutar kupole i spremni su za djelovanje, a ostatak je pohranjen unutar odjeljka šasije. Tenk ima 7,62 mm UKM-2000C strojnicu.

Dodatna oprema će se instalirati na daljinsko upravljiv modul. Trenutno planirani projekti uključuju 7,62 mm ili 12,7 mm strojnicu ili 40 mm automatski bacač granata. Također, u kupoli je ugrađen aktivni obrambeni sustav koji presreće dolazne projektile.


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