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« Reply #15 on: March 30, 2014, 09:25:22 pm »

Da nije onaj čehoslovački? Imali smo ga na temi o užičkom muzeju.
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« Reply #16 on: March 31, 2014, 09:26:18 am »

Ima tu još štošta da se vidi.

Žutim sam označio pušku G3 bez prednje obloge, zelenim dva pištolja Roth-Steyr M1907, a narandžastim zatvarače za MG-42/M-53. Među cevkama naređanim s desne strane zatvarača vidim tri od MG-42/M-53. Uokvireno plavim bi trebalo da bude M4 karabin, a braon prigušivači.

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Ono dole je možda neko igranje sa automatskom puškom, to jest da se neko pravio pametan pa napravio kratež. Pogledaj kundak i ostale delove, liči mi na G3 ili neku od pušaka iz te familije.


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« Reply #17 on: March 31, 2014, 08:18:38 pm »

Drugi prigušivač po redu (odozgo) mi liči na "Teleoptikov" za AP ili SnP.

I ja bih rekao da se radi o kolekcionarskim primercima. Međutim, to ne umanjuje krivicu onih koji su ovim ovim nelegalno bavili.
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« Reply #18 on: August 09, 2014, 06:06:51 pm »

Zna li neko koje je ovo sokoćalo?

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« Reply #19 on: August 09, 2014, 06:21:07 pm »

Zna li neko koje je ovo sokoćalo?

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Личи ми на фински Суоми КП-31...
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« Reply #20 on: August 09, 2014, 06:33:20 pm »

MIslim da bi mogao biti Suomi..

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Ali kod traženja toga, naleteo na zanimljiv, bar meni nepoznati Italjanski automat Armaguerra OG-43, iz 1943...

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The Armaguerra OG-43 and OG-44 submachine guns, designed by Giuseppe Oliani during World War 2 (in 1943 and 1944 respectively) and bult by Armaguerra Cremona company, were very promising designs made largely of stamped steel and with an L-shaped bolt that has most of its weight located above the barrel, thus allowing for a shorter and lighter receiver. Only a few prototypes were made before the war ended, and after the war it could not compete with the already established Beretta line. Of those two weapons the latter model, OG-44, which had more or less traditional layout, is known much better than its predecessor, the OG-43. This earlier weapon is extremely rare, with probably only one specimen surviving to this day in a private collection. The OG-43 is historically important because it is probably the world’s first submachine gun to combine stamped-steel construction, bolt with most of its weight in front of the breech face AND the magazine in the pistol grip, all in one weapon.
 
Both Armaguerra OG-43 and OG-44 submachine guns share same simple blowback action, using L-shaped bolt that has most of its weight located above and forward of its breech face. Firing is from open bolt, in single shots or full automatic mode, thanks to a dedicated fire selector switch. Most of the parts, except for springs, bolt and barrel are stamped from sheet steel and welded or pinned together. Armaguerra OG-43 submachine gun does not have a separate pistol grip. Instead, it has a stubby magazine housing behind the triger, and inserted magazine is used as a pistol grip. Charging handle is made in form of a slider and is located above the receiver. An additional folding forward grip is provided below the barrel, and a stamped steel shoulder stock folds down and forward when not required. Feed is from double stack, double feed box magazines, borrowed from Beretta M38A submachine guns. Standard sights are of fixed type, with flip-up rear blade marked for 100 and 200 meters.

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« Reply #21 on: August 09, 2014, 09:01:58 pm »

Zna li neko koje je ovo sokoćalo?

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Личи ми на фински Суоми КП-31...

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« Reply #22 on: December 20, 2015, 11:16:12 am »

Zna li ko šta je ovo?

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« Reply #23 on: December 20, 2015, 11:36:05 am »

Izgleda kao tenkovski/bunkerski mitraljez, jer nema klasičnih nišana, pošto je u takvom društvu sigurno je "od sila osovina". Ako uzmemo u obzir siluetu, verovatno ne koristi pozajmicu barutnih plinova. Zanimljivo, tražim dalje.
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« Reply #24 on: December 20, 2015, 03:48:03 pm »

Sličan je Bergmann MG 15 n.A, ali nije taj

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« Reply #25 on: December 20, 2015, 05:06:31 pm »


Našao pacova. Protivtenkovska puška 7,79 mm SS 41

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7,92 mm SS41
Waffenwerk Brunn (Zbrojowka Brno)
kalibar 7,92 x 94 mm
Ukupna dužina: 1.195 mm
Težina prazna: 18,14 kg
Cev: 840 mm
Magacin: 10 metaka, odvojiva kutija
Početna brzina: 1.219 m/s

Model SS41 predstavlja pomalo misteriozno oružje. Mali broj primeraka preživeo Je Drugi svetski rat. a verovatno nikada i nije proizvedena veća količina. Postoji malo zabeleženih podataka o ovom oružju, a konstrukcija Je neobična i zanimljiva. SS41 Je puška s Jedinačnom paljbom koja Je koristila standardni nemački protivtenkovskl metak 7,92 mm u čauri sa vratom od 13 mm. Magacin je bio postavljen iza pištolj-rukohvata koji je bio vezan za dugi rukavac i formirao zadnjak i komoru. Rukavac je ulazio u cev a u svom zadnjem položaju blokirao se uz cev preko zubaca I uz čelo zadnjaka. Čelo zadnjaka Je na prednjoj površini oslonca za rame. Tako su cev i zadnjak ostajali nepomični sve vreme, a komora je klizila napred - nazad da bi otvarala i zatvarala zadnji deo cevi.

Sled operacija bio je: nakon pucanja se pištolj-rukohvat rotirao nadesno deblokirajuči se od cevi i zadnjaka, a zatim se potiskivao naglim pokretom unapred. Zatim je klizio uz cev. povlačeći za sobom 1 rukavac. 1 ostavljajući praznu čauru uz čelo zadnjaka zahvaljujući lzvlakaču. Kad bi rukavac došao do kraja svog hoda lzbacač je izbacivao praznu čauru napolje tj. van staze punjenja, a novi metak dovodio se iz magacina. zadržavajući se na njegovim usnama. Pištolj-rukohvat se tada povlačio unazad, navlačeći komoru preko novog metka i zatvarajući zadnjak: okretanjem pištolj-rukohvata do vertikalnog položaja zadnjak se ponovo blokirao, mehanizam se zatezao (zapinjao) I puška Je bila spremna za opaljivanje. Ovaj komplikovani I neobični mehanizam je očigledno primenjen da bi se uštedelo na težini i da bi se smanjila velika dužina koju su imale protivtenkovske puške, ali je njegova proizvodnja sigurno bila teška. Osim toga. rukavac Je klizio napred, do nezaštićene spoljne površine cevl tako da Je trpeo snažan uticaj prašine i nečistoće. Konačno. 1939. godine se uvidelo daje metak od 7,62 mm neefikasan, pa Je njegova ponovna upotreba bila pravi anahronizam. Magacin se punio s leve strane, pod uglom od 45° I nije smetao strelčevom članku I šaci. Laki Bren (ill CZ) dvonožac bio Je povezan sa dugom cevi bez potpore, a na ustima cevt nalazila se mala gasna kočnica. Dobro Izrađen kundak Imao je mali potkov za rame.
Zanimljivo Je napomenuti da neki nemački izveštaji iz 1943. godine govore o modelu 15 mm PzB41 nastalom u fabrici u Brnu. Kratak opis koji je dat u tom izveštaju govori o sličnosti sa modelom SS4J. tako su dimenzije veće. Verovatno Je to bio pokušaj da se proizvede teža puška na osnovu municije za mitraljeze od 15 mm. uz korišćenje Istog principa rada. no s obzirom da se do tada već uvidela nekorisnost protivtenkovskih pušaka, od projekta se odustalo.

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« Reply #26 on: December 20, 2015, 06:23:34 pm »


Našao pacova. Protivtenkovska puška 7,79 mm SS 41


 

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« Reply #27 on: January 10, 2020, 12:15:06 pm »

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« Reply #28 on: January 11, 2020, 07:02:32 pm »

Имао сам у рукама нешто овако. Деловао је "склепано" и непоуздано.
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« Reply #29 on: January 24, 2020, 08:33:52 pm »

Zna li neko koje je ovo sokoćalo?

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Rekao bih Bereta MAB 18...

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