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« Reply #16 on: November 21, 2010, 04:16:15 pm » |
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Iran je uspeo da nabavi i nešto modernije sisteme bliske PVO iz kine, u pitanju je sistem HQ-7 koji je kineska kopija francuskog sistema Crotale:
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« Reply #17 on: November 21, 2010, 04:16:43 pm » |
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Lepo, šareno i logistička noćna mora kada se dođe do održavanja celokupne skalamerije.
U četvrtom video snimku se kaže da radari imaju mnogo nedostatataka te ih dopunjuju sa osmatračima na zemlji???
Majko mila, oni žive u 1914 godini.
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« Reply #20 on: November 21, 2010, 07:28:20 pm » |
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Interesantno nigde nema snimaka RS TOR.
Pored TOR-a, HQ-7 je jedino relativno modaerna RS. Sve ostalo je sumljive upotrebne vredosti.
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« Reply #21 on: November 21, 2010, 07:29:45 pm » |
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Možda štede rakete pošto sada ne mogu više da ih nabave iz Rusije zbog sankcija.
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« Reply #22 on: November 21, 2010, 10:55:29 pm » |
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Proslo 30 godina od kad je Sah pao i kad se saradnja sa amerima zavrsila...a oni i dalje cuvaju staru americku opremu koja ocigledno radi. Pitanje je kako su uspeli da sacuvaju sta su imali pre 30 godina? Nije vala da su imali na zalihu delova za 30 godina. Bolje staro i raznoliko ali uvezbano umesto novo i neuvezbano...
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« Reply #23 on: November 21, 2010, 11:11:10 pm » |
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Не бих се сложио да је осматрање са земље, као допуна радарском систему "још 1914.". То је сасвим добро функционисало и код нас 1999. године, мада мало осавремењено у смислу преноса порука.
Очигледно је да су се "сналазили" када је питању одржавање старе опреме. Нешто су им и американци продали у врема рата са Ираком. Не бих ја њих уопште потцењивао. Додуше, с обзиром на величину територије тешко да могу да контролишу сео ваздушни простор, али изнад кључних елемената сигурно да. Да је све оно што имају тешко одржавати, тешко је, чак и да су бољи услови (слободан увоз-извоз). Ипак, ко год их буде напао (ако буде), мораће добро да води рачуна шта и како ради. Посебно ако мисли да на препад нападне и уништи наводне погоне за производњу нуклеарних бомби.
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« Reply #24 on: November 21, 2010, 11:47:20 pm » |
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rezervne delove za F-14 su nabavljali na crno, mažnjavani su delovi sa otpada na koje su amerikanci odlagali ove avione i delove, bilo je i par afera na tu temu, ali su zataškane. Kasnije sam čuo da je naređeno da budu uništeni ključni elementi svih penzionisanih aviona kako ne bi delovi pali u ruke irancima.
U suštini, mislim da je neko procenio da iranski F-14 ne predstavljaju posebnu opasnost za amerikance i da je namerno dozvoljena ova trgovina kako bi neko omastio brkove.
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« Reply #25 on: November 22, 2010, 03:04:29 pm » |
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U suštini, mislim da je neko procenio da iranski F-14 ne predstavljaju posebnu opasnost za amerikance i da je namerno dozvoljena ova trgovina kako bi neko omastio brkove.
Ja se uopšte ne bih začudio da im je SAD direktno prodavala avione ili neke komponente za F-14 i sve to "masno" naplaćivala. Interes je uvek na prvom mestu. |
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« Reply #26 on: November 22, 2010, 03:22:22 pm » |
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Svojevremeno smo i mi to propratili na Palubi  31. januar 2008. SAD je u potpunosti zabranila prodaju svih komponenti aviona F-14. Kao uzrok zabrane se navodi namera da se Iran spreči da održava svoje avione u letnom stanju. Tako će sve komponente i svi rezervni delovi za ovaj tip aviona biti uništeni. Veruje se da je Iran u poslednje vreme vratio u letno stanje 3 aviona F-14, a da se još četrnaestica očekuje u toku godine. Samo još da se doda da je Iran sedamdesetih godina od SAD kupio 75 aviona F-14, ali nije poznato koliko je ovih aviona uopšte ostalo u iranskom vazduhoplovstvu - uzevši u obzir da je 2002. godine zbog nedostatka rezervnih delova sprovodjena kaniballizacija pojedinih aviona zarad održavanja drugih (termin poznat i u VJ, VSCG, VS) [ Attachment: You are not allowed to view attachments ] Cela vestJanuary 31, 2008: The U.S. has now forbidden the sale of any F-14 aircraft components. This is to prevents Iran from getting any parts with which to keep its dwindling fleet of F-14s operational. All surplus F-14s, and F-14 components, must be destroyed. The U.S. Navy has been doing that, since last year, to the retired F-14s it has.
It is believed that Iran has restored at least three of its three-decade old F-14A jets to operational status. More F-14As are to be restored this year. There is, however, the matter of credibility and capability. For decades, Iran has continually boasted of new, Iranian designed and manufactured weapons, only to have the rather more somber truth leak out later. Iran's weapons design capabilities are primitive, but the government has some excellent publicists, who always manage to grab some headlines initially, before anyone can question the basic facts behind these amazing new weapons.
For example, Iran says it began its F-14 restoration project in 2002. In that same year, Iran announced that 25, of the 79 F-14As it bought in the 1970s, were still operational. It's long been known that Iran began cannibalizing some of its F-14s, back in the 1980s, to keep others flying. During the 1980s, the F-14s were heavily used in the war with Iraq. In 1985, 25 Iranian F-14s flew over Tehran as part of a celebration. In the last year of the war, 1988, an F-14 shot down an Iraqi jet, one of over 80 knocked down by their F-14s since 1980. That much is known, because there were witnesses and other evidence.
Less well known is that Iran established a smuggling operation to obtain F-14 parts, and manufactured some itself. Russia also helped with some custom made parts and refurbishment services. But going into the 1990s, fewer and fewer Iranian F-14s were seen in the air. Whenever an F-14 took off it was big news, and difficult to hide. Word got around, and with hundreds of thousands of Iranians living in exile, the word was passed on. Thus the 2002 claim that 25 Iranian F-14s were operational, was not taken seriously. The new claims, that three are flyable, appear to be true. Some F-14s have been seen in the air, but don't expect another major, or even minor, flyover in Tehran. Iran says it is making new weapons for the F-14, without mentioning that the supply of U.S. made missiles ran out over a decade ago. The F-14 also needs new electronics, as parts for those items are much harder to get, than items needed to just get the aircraft into the air. Iran can, at great effort and expense, get a dozen or so F-14s airborne. But once flying, these ancient and jury-rigged aircraft, are more target than threat.
The new U.S. regulations ban the export of any F-14 components. Only museums and other history minded groups, can legally possess F-14 components, or inoperable versions of the aircraft. Kineski delovi za iranske F-1410. februar 2008. godine Kina već duže vreme snabdeva Iran delovima za avione F-14. Delovi su iz dva izvora: uvoz od dilera iz SAD (koji ne smeju da izvoze u Iran, ali ne i u Kinu, zar ne ), a delom je iz "domaće" proizvodnje. Kina do skoro nije pominjana u ovom lancu, sve dok nije zaopčeta istrga oko putešestvija avionskih delova za Iran. |
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« Reply #27 on: November 22, 2010, 03:25:13 pm » |
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SAD-u Iranska RV i PVO ne predstavlja neki veliki i nepremostivi problem za probijanje ili unistavanje/suzbijanje.
Ipak je to vecinom tehnika iz '60-'70-'80 godina sa nekim lokalnim unapredjenjima koja je jako dobro poznata amerikancima i sa kojom su se oni vec vise puta susretali.
Problem je u tome sto su sva postrojenja za nukelarni program podzemna i dobro zasticenja.
Konvencionalnim oruzjem bi se tesko mogli unistiti a nuklearno jos uvek na srecu nije u igri (barem za sad).
Znaci da bi unistili aermikanci bi morali da spuste pesadiju a to je uvek problematicna odluka.
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« Reply #28 on: January 18, 2011, 10:13:41 am » |
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18.01.2011. Tajvan je izvršio vežbe sa bojevim projektilima u predvečerje puta kineskog predsednika Hu Đintaoa u državnu posetu SAD. Čak 5, od 19 ispaljenih projektila je promašilo mete. Na ovaj način, Tajvan šalje poruku namenjenu SAD, da im je njihova pomoć neophodna u narednom vremenu. [ Attachment: You are not allowed to view attachments ] Taiwan in live-fire missile tests
Taiwan has held live-fire missile tests, as Chinese President Hu Jintao travels to the US for a state visit. Five out of 19 missiles failed to hit their targets, at the drill attended by President Ma Ying-jeou
Officials said the drills sent a message to the US that Taiwan still needs American help to defend itself, despite improving ties with China.
Analysts say Taiwan is worried about a potential threat from Beijing after China unveiled a stealth fighter jet. China continues to claim the island as part of its territory, and has not renounced the use of force to achieve reunification.
Taiwan, a democracy, has been ruled separately since the end of a civil war in 1949. The Taiwanese military said the exercises were routine, and aimed at boosting its defence capabilities.
Speaking to the BBC, Taiwan's Deputy Defence Secretary Andrew Yang said the operation was not offensive in nature, but was intended to stop any attacks by China.
"China still holds the option to use force against Taiwan. They have never renounced the use of force. We consider this a direct threat against us, so we need to consolidate our armed forces."
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Mr Yang told the BBC the drills were also designed to send the US a clear message - that Taiwan still needs US help in defending itself, even as it builds closer economic ties with Beijing.
He said that Taiwan was developing its own advanced missiles, which would be able to reach military bases and airports on China's east coast.
However, the island depends on the US for advanced weapons.
The BBC's Cindy Sui in Taipei says Taiwan is still hoping to purchase advanced fighter jets and submarines, to upgrade its ageing fleet and narrow the gap with China.
Washington, however, needs Beijing's help on a host of issues - from North Korea to currency appreciation, our correspondent says.
The last time the US approved an arms package to Taiwan 12 months ago, China was furious, cancelling military exchanges and security talks. Izvor: www.bbc.co.uk |
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10.04.2012 Ruski vojni ronioci uvježbavali protudiverzantske operacije [ Attachment: You are not allowed to view attachments ] Skupina ronilaca iz sastava ruske Kaspijske flotile sudjeluje u podvodnim vježbama s namjerom uvježbavanja mjera u borbi protiv diverzanata, izvjestio je Interfax-AVN. Vježba uključuje podvodna miniranja, korištenje hladnog i vatrenog oružja, te podvodnu borbu, rekao je glasnogovornik Južnog saveznog okruga. Sudionici vježbe moraju provesti i borbenu hodnju u punoj brzini. Posebna podvodna obuka se planira, uključujući SPP-1 pištolj, DP-61 granatu i APS-55 automatsku pušku, rekao je mornarički dužnosnik. Izvor: Defender.hr |
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