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« on: June 20, 2015, 06:43:10 am »

Kina predstavila novi 125 mm top


Zbog potrebe povečanja probojnosti tenkovskih topova, postoje dve smernice poboljšanja postoječih topova jedan je povečanje kalibra (140 mm zapad, 152 rusija), kinezi su predstavili novi top 125 mm, koji sa starim ima zajedno samo kalibar.
Novi top je dužine cevi L60 (postoječi 125 mm topovi su (ako se ne varam) L52, dok je najduži zapani nemački 120 mm L55), i sa povečanom barutnom komorom. Po dostupnim podatcima, podkalibarna municija APFSDS, ima na izlazu iz cevi brzinu V0= 2000 m/s (trenutni kineski 125 mm top ima V0=1700 m/s, Nemački 120/L55 1750 m/s, dok američki 120/L44 sa granatom M829A3 APFSDS dostiže 1555 m/s (ali koristi teži penetrator sa večom kinetičkom energijom))
Novi top koristi i jednodelnu municiju, dužine oko 1m, i predviđen je za novi kineski tenk da autopunjačem u košari kupole.



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CHINA BUILDS THE WORLD'S FASTEST TANK GUN, THEN TRIES TO HIDE IT
125MM SHELLS GO AT MACH 6


While new tanks like the Russian Armata and Turkish Altay are taking the spotlight in the world of armored vehicles, China has a new tank gun that might just beat them all. The 127th Ordinance Institute, of the Central Northern University, handed over a new 125mm cannon to PLA officers at a June 10, 2015 ceremony. The Institute claims that the new multipurpose cannon will have the highest range, velocity and penetration power of any 120mm/125mm cannon in the world. Where the story gets more interesting is that by June 14, all references to the new 125mm cannon had been scrubbed from the University's website, which suggests an official desire for secrecy during tests.

The multipurpose cannon achieves its high performance through a high length to caliber ratio of at least 60:1 (the longest tank gun in service is the German 120mm cannon, which has a ratio of 55:1), and a larger cartridge, that stores more propellant explosives. While the multipurpose cannon is currently mounted on a towed carriage, several characteristics suggest that it is intended in use for enclosed spaces (IE tank turrets).

Located on the middle of the barrel is a bore evacuator that aids in the release of combusted explosive fumes, to prevent those toxic gases from accumulating inside an enclosed space, which would otherwise poison crew members and foul the gun. The multipurpose cannon's recoil system is installed onto the top of the towed carriage frame and top of the cannon breech block, which is optimized for horizontal firing (anti-tank and direct fire) as opposed to high angle artillery fire.

This multipurpose cannon reportedly has a muzzle velocity of 2,000m per second for armored piercing fin stabilized discarding sabot (APFSDS) rounds, whose discarding sabot concentrates the kinetic energy from propellant into frontal area of the penetrator rod, which is the size of a half dollar coin. For comparison, current Chinese 125mm APFSDS have a 1700m/s muzzle velocity, the German L55 has a muzzle velocity of 1,750m/s, and the US's M829A3 APFSDS round has a muzzle velocity of only 1,555m (but uses a larger penetrator with increased mass to increase imparted kinetic energy).

Just as importantly, the new tank cannon uses one piece ammunition, in contrast to the 125mm two piece ammunition used by current Chinese tanks such as the ZTZ-99 and ZTZ-96. The autoloader on those tanks are limited to two piece 125mm ammunition due to size restrictions, which in turn results in a smaller APFSDS rod with less kinetic energy. The new one piece 125mm ammunition will allow for larger APFSDS rods, while keeping the caliber to 125mm to save weight, as opposed to scaling up to a larger caliber, such as 140mm.

The 125mm multipurpose cannon is likely to be mounted on a new future Chinese tank, which will have to move its autoloader into the rear turret bustle, compared to the hull mounted ZTZ-99 autoloader. The long length of the multipurpose cannon may also mean that such future Chinese tanks would have limited maneuver room in tight urban spaces.

The multipurpose cannon's high velocity gives it enough energy and range to theoretically take on anti-aircraft roles (similar to 127mm and 130mm dual purpose naval cannons), though size constraints in a tank turret would likely limit its firing rate and elevation when targeting high flying aircraft. More plausibly, the multipurpose cannon could provide indirect fire support with cannon launched missiles and shells for Chinese forces, such as distant, networked infantry units calling in strikes on enemy positions (though again turret size and recoil mechanisms means that the claimed maximum 40km range is likely theoretical).
Much as China is making high profile investments into new generation technologies battlefield robots, drones, infantry exoskeletons and smart missiles, its also making great improvements to current military technology like tanks. The new tank cannon is yet another example of how Chinese forces (and any foreign sales clients) will be far better equipped on any the battlefield of the future.



125mm Handover Ceremony

The new 125mm cannon tech demonstrator received a public and high profile send off, complete with a large complement of PLA personnel, speeches from top CNU officials and interested onlookers. The shell cartridge on the left side of the table is over 1 meter in length.

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A New Multipurpose Cannon

The 127th Ordinance Research Institute's news 125mm tank cannon is the world' largest, with a barrel length over 7.5 meters and highly powerful shells.

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One Big Gun

Looking at the staff preparing the gun (just for the handover ceremony), it's going to require a very big and tall turret to take advantage of the gun's full elevation capabilities (though the production model may have a lower maximum angle of fire), larger than those found on current Chinese tanks. Also note the fume extractor (the smooth bulge on the midsection of the barrel) that siphons off poisonous fumes and other propellant byproducts to avoid poisoning any turret crew.

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Cannon on the Move

The 125mm multipurpose cannon tech demonstrator will be delivered to a PLA testing and proving ground. If successful, it will likely arm the next generation of Chinese main battle tanks, possibly just in time for the 70th anniversary of the People's Republic.

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Recoil Hydraulics

The recoil hydraulic tubes are positioned to so that they're attached to the top of the breech block (where the shell is loaded) and the top of the towed carriage mount. The optimizes reduction of recoil on the horizontal plane when conducting direct fire at enemy tanks, but raising the cannon to a higher elevation to fire at aircraft could damage the recoil system.

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« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2015, 07:32:46 am »

Gađao sam u Kini iz topa 2A46 125 mm. Sa kineskom municijom. Neuporedivo bolji top od  ruskog topa 2A46. Po tačnosti i po trajnosti. Sada i Rusi imaju top 125 mm veće dužine. Na Armati. Izgleda da je ovo dobar kalibar. Dobar kalibar, dobra kvaliteta i sad povećana dužina. Biti će ovo opasna kombinacija.

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« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2015, 09:26:13 am »

I ja prvo pomislio na tvoje pisanje oko kvalitete kineskih 2A46. Po mom skromnom mišlenju bollja varianta nego povečavanje kalibra.
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« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2015, 11:11:05 am »

Prošle godine sam bio u jednoj fabrici tenkova. Daleko od Banja Luke. I tada smo razgovarali o topu 2A46. Nakon mog opisa kineskog topa, njegovog kvaliteta i još puno toga toga što definiše top, predstavnici fabrike u kojoj sam radio su me nakon nekoliko dana obavijestili da su naručili određenu količinu topova za testiranje iz Kine zbog mog hvaljenja kineskog topa. Ovih dana ću ih pitati za rezultate ispitivanja i da li su odustali od kupovine ruskih topova i zamjene istih sa kineskim.

Prošlog mjeseca sam razgovarao sa stručnjacima iz fabrike topova Bratstvo Novi Travnik. Stručnjacima za ovaj naš 2A46. I naravno razgovarali smo i o kineskom topu.  Nisu mogli vjerovati o takvoj tvrdoći topa. Pretpostavili su na koji način postižu takav kvalitet.

A mislim da nisam nigdje napisao.

Dok sam radio u Kini na kineskom tenku iz ekipe sam otjerao, bukvalno najurio, predstavnika kineske fabrike topova. Stručnjaka za ovaj top. Zbog nestručnosti. Posvađali smo se oko pritiska u HES-u. Nakon mojih žestokih svađa sa njim, mjerenja pritisaka i ostalog, predstavnik kineske fabrike topova je, na moj zahtjev, morao da napusti posao koji smo radili. Nakon nekoliko dana došao je drugi predstavnik fabrike koji se je razumio u te detalje koji su nam bili bitni.

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