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Author Topic: Rusija zainteresovana za brodove klase Mistral?  (Read 135155 times)
 
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« Reply #390 on: July 17, 2015, 07:34:40 am »

Mislim da će se ovde Kinezi ovajditi najviše.
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« Reply #391 on: July 17, 2015, 08:12:26 am »

Mislim da će se ovde Kinezi ovajditi najviše.

Nisam siguran da ce amerikanci pustiti francuze da im ga prodaju.
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« Reply #392 on: July 17, 2015, 09:16:20 am »

Mislim, da sam već zapisao, da bi Indijci bili idealan kupac. Kina je suviše duboko u vlastitoj izgradnji vlastitih desantnih sposobnosti. S druge strane Indijci nemaju ništa slično (osim američkog Trenton LPD danas INS Đalašva). Pošto grade nosaće aviona a grupi ima mesta I za LPD, sve klapa. DCNS krajem marta nudio je Indijcima Mistrale, mada Indijci traže četiri broda-pa če biti mislim u igri I veći bonus na cjeni.
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« Reply #393 on: July 17, 2015, 06:21:46 pm »

Тако како предвиђаш ће бити: "и вук сит и овце на броју". Руси добиле новац, Французи продали бродове а уз њих можда још понеки, Индија задовољна, Русија и Француска деле посао одржавања бродова... Cheesy. Милина.
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« Reply #394 on: July 19, 2015, 12:29:38 pm »

To je pravi dogovor i dobar posao: i vuk sit i ovce na broju!

Na kraju ispada, da Rusi uopšte nisu bili zainteresovani za te brodove, samo su folirali, da bi od Francuza ukrali nešto od tehnologije gradnje velikih brodova.
Vrlo interesantno.

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« Reply #395 on: July 23, 2015, 08:20:40 am »

https://www.rt.com/news/268504-mistral-replacement-avalance-lavina/

Bigger and faster: Russia unveils designs to replace marooned Mistrals
Published time: 20 Jun, 2015 05:28

A St. Petersburg navy design bureau says it is ready to build a Russian-made alternative to the troubled Mistral carriers, which remain moored in France. The intended new ship dubbed Lavina (‘Avalanche’) promises to be bigger and faster than the Mistrals.

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The technical specifications of the helicopter carrier were revealed in a presentation given by the Krylov State Research Centre, at the Army-2015 military expo near Moscow.

Lavina will have a full load displacement of 24,000 tons, as opposed to 21,300 tons for the French-designed ship. It will also have a maximum speed of 22 knots, compared to 19 knots for the Mistrals, two of which were ordered by the Russian Navy four years ago.


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The Lavina design (Krylov State Research Centre)

Just like the Mistral, Lavina will house 16 helicopters, about 50 armored vehicles (about 10 fewer than the French amphibious assault vessel) and a potential six smaller boats, as opposed to the Mistrals' four. All figures are likely rough estimates, with numerous variables, and it is unclear how advanced the Lavina blueprints are at the current stage.

The two Mistral-class ships, custom-built for Russia for a price of €1.2 billion, have been completed, but their delivery has been suspended by France, following Crimea’s accession into Russia last March, and the outbreak of violence in eastern Ukraine.

Domestic shipbuilders are competing to fill the gap.

Earlier this week, Priboy, a 14,000-ton helicopter carrier, also capable of transporting 16 attack helicopters, was announced by Nevsky Design Bureau, another leading St. Petersburg design bureau. It said that plans were afoot to begin construction next year.

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The mock-up of the Priboy-class ship, presented at the Army-2015 expo in the Moscow Region on June 16, 2015 (RIA Novosti / Alexander Vilf)

Last week, the Yantar shipyard also reportedly began construction of a smaller Ivan Gren-class assault vessel, which the Navy said would be ready by 2018.

READ MORE: Mistral dead end: Sources say French offer ‘totally impracticable,’ no progress in Moscow talks

It seems unlikely that all of these projects will be greenlighted simultaneously, but officials have confirmed that an amphibious vessel capable of performing a landing thousands of miles away from its home port is a centerpiece of its naval strategy up to the year 2050.

Meanwhile, according to a senior official who spoke to TASS news agency on Wednesday, Moscow has not ruled receiving its original order from the St. Nazaire shipyard, and negotiations are “ongoing.” If the delivery is not made, as appears increasingly likely, the biggest stumbling block remains the size of the compensation for the canceled order. The latest public pronouncements show that France is offering under €800 million in compensation, while Moscow is holding out for at least €1.1 billion.


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« Reply #396 on: July 27, 2015, 06:41:04 am »

A ovo je konkurentski projekat "Priboj" (valić, slobodnije prevedeno). Liči mi na "Kijeva". Za sada samo maketa, i ništa sem makete. Liči i na tri decenije stari projekat 11770 - Halzan.


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« Reply #397 on: July 27, 2015, 09:02:33 am »

Liči i na tri decenije stari projekat 11770 - Halzan.

Zar projekat 11770 nisu desantno jurišni čamci?
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« Reply #398 on: July 27, 2015, 10:15:34 am »

Halzan je projekat  10200. Ali na njega mi sliće I Priboj I japanska DDH/LHD klasa Hyuga.
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« Reply #399 on: July 27, 2015, 10:54:16 am »

Исти Кијев. Недостају му јакови 38 и ракете брод-брод.
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« Reply #400 on: July 27, 2015, 12:36:48 pm »

Halzan je projekat  10200. Ali na njega mi sliće I Priboj I japanska DDH/LHD klasa Hyuga.

Eh, ne mogu ni ja znati napamet sve indekse GUK (Glavne brodograđevne uprave RM GŠ OSRF).
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« Reply #401 on: July 27, 2015, 01:03:35 pm »

Ne boj se Kumbore, ne znam ni ja... ali su sve slike I podatci na netu. I nije bilo zamišljeno lose, nego samo kao informacija.
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« Reply #402 on: July 31, 2015, 09:07:06 am »

POSLE OSAM MESECI Postignut dogovor Rusije i Francuske o kompnezaciji za "mistrale"

Tanjug   | 31. 07. 2015. - 09:40h
Posle osam meseci pregovora, Francuska i Rusija su postigle dogovor o visini kompenzacije koju Francuska mora da isplati Rusiji, zbog neisporučena dva vojna nosača helikoptera, saopštio je danas visoki ruski zvaničnik.

Pregovori su u potpunosti završeni, sve je odlučeno i okvir i iznos, kazao je savetnik predsednika Putina Vladimri Kozin za RIA novosti.

"Nadam se da ćemo potpisati sporazum o raskidu ugovora, što je pre moguće", dodao je on, prenosi AFP.

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Izgleda da još pojedinosti nisu za javnost dok se ne potpiše  marinero
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« Reply #403 on: July 31, 2015, 12:33:39 pm »

Hrvatski mediji (Dnevnik hr) javlja to ovako:

Vir: Dnevnik hr
http://dnevnik.hr/

Ruski mediji: Francuska će Rusiji platiti odštetu od 1,2 milijarde eura

Francuska i Rusija postigle su sporazum o kompenzaciji za otkazivanje isporuke dvaju francuskih nosača helikoptera Mistral, objavili su u petak ruski mediji.

"Razgovori o tome se završeni, o svemu je već odlučeno - i o vremenskom okviru i o iznosu", kazao je savjetnik ruskog predsjednika Vladimira Putina za vojna pitanja Vladimir Kozhin za agenciju RIA.

Dodao je da se nada kako se vrlo skoro biti potpisan ugovor o tome pa će potom biti službeno objavljen i dogovoreni iznos.

Ruski list Kommersant u petak je objavio da će Francuska platiti Rusiji blizu 1,2 milijarde eura zbog odustajanja od isporuke dvaju Mistrala.

Ured francuskog predsjednika Francoisa Hollandea odbio je komentirati ovo izvješće, kao i DCNS, jedan od glavnih konstruktora Mistrala.

Hollande je odustao od posla nakon pritiska zapadnih saveznika da ne isporuči nosače helikoptera zbog ruske uloge u ukrajinskoj krizi. (Hina)
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« Reply #404 on: August 01, 2015, 12:02:33 pm »

Ako sam dobro shvatio ovu informaciju, tih 1,2 milijarde E, je visina odštete, zbog neispunjavanja ugovorih obaveza, i osim tog iznosa Francuska treba da vrati Rusiji i pare koje su plaćene za izgradnju brodova.

Jedino još uvek nije jasno šta će biti sa ugrađenom Ruskom opremom, jer to je očito velika prepreka za Francusku da brodove proda kome hoće. Rusi će sigurno ometati prodaju tih objekata, pa će na taj način francuzima naneti štetu, u smislu da neće moći makar nekako da se nadomire.
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