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« on: April 01, 2018, 08:48:56 pm »

Slaba vajda za NATO: Nemački avioni ostali u osamdesetim
NovostiOnline   01. april 2018.

Svi nemački avioni tipa „Tornado“ nisu više u stanju da realizuju zadatke u okviru NATO-a zbog zastarele tehnike, piše „Špigl“, pozivajući se na poverljivi izveštaj Ministarstva odbrane Nemačke.

Prema podacima lista, sva 93 aviona moraju da se podvrgnu modernizaciji, što nosi „dodatne rashode od više miliona evra“. Elektronika na avionima iz osamdesetih godina je potpuno zastarela. Letelice nisu zaštićene od prisluškivanja, ne poseduju sisteme za šifrovano slanje podataka, kao ni sistem za radiolokaciono raspoznavanje saveznika i neprijatelja. U sadašnjem stanju, smatra Ministarstvo odbrane Nemačke, „borbeni sistem ’Tornado‘ više ne može da učestvuje ni u jednoj NATO operaciji“. Modernizaciju aviona je, pritom, nemoguće završiti do 2019. godine. Ranije je nemačka ministarka odbrane Ursula fon der Lajen donela odluku da se ti avioni koriste najmanje do 2035. godine, dok se za njih ne pronađe zamena. U slučaju realne opasnosti, po nalogu NATO-a oni mogu da nose i atomske bombe. Ranije je Ministarstvo odbrane Nemačke priznalo da tehničko stanje najvećeg dela borbenih sistema Bundesvera nije u skladu sa sadašnjim potrebama. To se odnosi na helikoptere, avione, tenkove i brodove. „Tornado“ se sada koristi u međunarodnoj misiji protiv terorista u Siriji i Iraku.

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« Reply #1 on: April 01, 2018, 11:15:17 pm »

Тое е герамнија никогаш немала сериозно вв од 1990 па до сега се е нешто крпена работа ф-4  тајфуни, торнада  ништо не сериозно
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« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2018, 09:14:26 am »

Тое е герамнија никогаш немала сериозно вв од 1990 па до сега се е нешто крпена работа ф-4  тајфуни, торнада  ништо не сериозно

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« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2018, 02:41:25 pm »

Ne zaboravite, juće je bio 1.april... Nemački Tornadi barem su već jedanput modernizovani na standard ASSTA 1. Po jednim navodima, treća modernizacija ASSTA 3.1 trebala bi biti završena do ove godine. Ćim stignem i dobijem natrag reviju, okaćiću skenove iz štampe-nemačke doduše.
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« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2018, 02:45:17 pm »

 kao ni sistem za radiolokaciono raspoznavanje saveznika i neprijatelja.....prosto ne mogu da verujem da njihove letelice Tornado nemaju uredjaje sa antenama ,,svoj-tudj,,
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« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2018, 02:59:40 pm »



Мислим да се ради о лошем вицу. Ово не може бити истина.
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« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2018, 04:56:29 pm »

Bacanje mađije da bi se kupio F-35...
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« Reply #7 on: April 02, 2018, 05:26:39 pm »


Нарочито ме чуди одрицање од Тајфуна као пунокрвног вишенаменског ловца у корист непровереног и по перформансама отворено слабијег Ф-35 - ако је то истина. Није толико важна хоризонтална брзина, колико брзина пењања, угаона брзина заокрета, нападни угао лета, максимално оптерећење, итд. Ту је Ф-35  отворено слабији авион.
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« Reply #8 on: April 02, 2018, 06:02:35 pm »

Otkuda ti ta informacija da se odriču Tajfuna? F-35 bi trebao da bude zamena za avione tipa Tornado, mada ni to nije sigurno pošto se pominjao i F/A-18E/F.
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« Reply #9 on: April 02, 2018, 06:07:29 pm »

Pa kupovanjem Lajtninga kupuje se i priznanica pripadnosti neokon/liberalnim idejama pa i vodećoj zemlji toga poretka to jest SAD. Sad, kad je Tramp resetiran, mogu da idu dalje. U jednom momentu, Merkelova je izjavila, da treba Europa (a njoj znaći Francuska i oni, sa još par manje utjecajnih kao što je Španjolska, Nizozemska, možda Italija) izgraditi novi avion kao odgovor na potražnju novih aviona od strane vrha Bundesvera. Ako je moja tvrdnja oko riseta Trampa važi, onda će se pokazati pozitivan stav prema kupovini Lajtninga.
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« Reply #10 on: April 02, 2018, 06:11:22 pm »

Нагађам. Бавим се додолама, а то је озбиљно нагађање. "Аманита додола" је озбиљно отровна гљива. "Јавља ми се", као Љубиши Трговчевићу ономад. А ни летне карактеристике Торнада у "clean" варијанти нису нешто озбиљно слабије од Ф-35. Електроника јесте боља, летелица баш и није.
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« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2018, 07:12:40 pm »

Evo obećanog! [ Attachment: You are not allowed to view attachments ]

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« Reply #12 on: April 07, 2018, 07:13:55 pm »

Drugi list. [ Attachment: You are not allowed to view attachments ]

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« Reply #13 on: April 07, 2018, 07:21:05 pm »

Još  prvi list [ Attachment: You are not allowed to view attachments ] . Izvinjavam se zbog postovanja (ogranićena velićina).

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« Reply #14 on: April 15, 2018, 10:06:53 pm »

Nemačka je u problemu sa svojom flotom aviona Tornado jer se plaši da će troškovi održavanj narasti kada Britanski RAF bude izbacio ove letelice iz svog naoružanja.

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Germany fears steeper Tornado costs after the UK ditches its planes
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A technician works on a German Tornado jet at the air base in Incirlik, Turkey, on January 21, 2016. (TOBIAS SCHWARZ/AFP/Getty Images)
COLOGNE, Germany – The planned phasing out of the United Kingdom’s last Tornado aircraft has German officials scrambling to deal with the increasing costs of a shrinking fleet.

Continuing aircraft reductions in the tri-national program, which also includes Italy, have led to “significant technical, logistical and financial risk” in maintaining the 1980s-era fighter-bombers, officials have told lawmakers in a confidential report seen by Defense News.

While the prospect of Britain’s exit from the aircraft program has been known since November 2016, there is “no sufficient and comprehensive planning in place” for sustaining the remaining German planes, the report warns.

German defense leaders decided in 2016 to extend the life of the Tornado through 2035, with an assessment planned this summer of implementation plans to that end. Berlin originally purchased 357 aircraft; 93 are still in the inventory today, 88 of which belong to the Luftwaffe, according to the defense ministry.

A handful of German Tornados packed with reconnaissance equipment are currently deployed in support of Operation Inherent Resolve, flying missions over Iraq and Syria.

The defense ministry’s March 2018 report leaves open the question of how, and if, the UK would retain some kind of role in the program. Last November, the document states, there was talk about introducing a new, fixed scheme for financial contributions, abandoning the practice of going by the number of airframes used in each nation.

German defense officials wrote that they also are unsure what financial contributions can be expected of the Italians before Rome retires its Tornado contingent in 2027.

The British plan to use the Eurofighter Typhoon and the F-35 to absorb missions flown by Tornados. In Germany, the Typhoon appears to be the defense ministry’s preference for a follow-on aircraft, though there are also voices advocating for the F-35. Officials have requested information on both planes from the manufacturers, plus data from the maker of the F-18 and the F-15.

The new German government faces a major defense procurement decision with serious consequences not only for that country’s security but the future of NATO.

“The UK has a large number of airframes left in storage in a variety of conditions and including various degrees of upgrades between GR.1 and the latest GR.4 ‘diamond standard’ as flown over Iraq and Syria,” said Justin Bronk, a research fellow at the Royal United Services Institute.

“These will be a very valuable source of spare parts and consumables for the Luftwaffe Tornado force once the Royal Air Force has fully retired the type,” he added. “Since the Tornado manufacturing lines have long since closed, spare parts are expensive and often time consuming to procure, so Germany will no doubt appreciate access to the RAF’s stock of frontline and reserve airframes to cannibalise.”

Meanwhile, keeping the aging aircraft current is shaping up to be a challenging undertaking for the Bundeswehr. For example, digitization of the head-up-display likely will require the costly replacement of the aircraft’s main computer, officials wrote. That upgrade, which is at risk of coming late, is the prerequisite for the installation of a NATO-compliant friend-or-foe recognition system, mandatory by Jan. 1, 2019.

The new capability, dubbed IFF Mode 5/S Level 1, is currently behind schedule, according to the defense ministry report, which means the Tornados could potentially only operate under special authorizations, if at all, in 2019 and beyond.

The good news, per the German defense ministry: Other nations also appear to have trouble with the identification-system upgrade for their aircraft fleets, raising the prospect that NATO could delay the requirement.


Izvor: www.defencenews.com
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