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« Reply #15 on: September 03, 2009, 02:10:26 pm » |
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Do you have any information about this gun on your photo? As far as I knew, Škoda manufactured only 37 mm guns, not a single 40 mm. Also, look at the breech mechanism, it is definetly a semi automatic loading guns. Is it possible that this guns were AT veapons adapted for AA role?
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« Reply #16 on: September 03, 2009, 02:31:19 pm » |
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Unfortunately i don't. I think this picture shows a Skoda gun (for example the black seats of this gun are very similar - with front cut- to the 83.5 double i posted) and i think it is possible this is the 37mm(4cm) that was placed in Dubrovnik. They seem very similar.
In the scene of this gun with german official , i thought if it isn't possible that the ship is the Minelayer Zmaj(later Drache) that might have got the guns taken from Dubrovnik - i have seen Zmaj refered with either 2 or 4 40mm(which might mean 37mm). I know this speculation over speculation... a good photo of Zmaj might show if i am only wishfull thinking.
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« Reply #17 on: September 03, 2009, 02:47:17 pm » |
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Zmaj was a seaplane tender, and it has 2x2x40 mm guns
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« Reply #18 on: September 03, 2009, 02:51:13 pm » |
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Dread, you are our "Naval Intelligence, you can trace any magnify every smallest details. Great!
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Could this be of any assistance (info from "German Navy.de)
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Laid down as Yugoslavian tender Zmaj.
Contruction Data
Laid down: Deutsche Werft AG Hamburg, 1929
Launched: 22.06.1929
Commissioned: 1930 (1941 in German services)
Fate: exploded 22.09.1944
Costs:
Technical Data
Size: 1870 t
Length: 76,50 m
Beam: 13,70 m
Draft: 4,00 m
Armament: 2 x 8,8 cm; 5 x 3,7 cm; 13 x 2 cm; 120 Mines (all 1944)
Performance: 3260 shp, 15 kn
History
The Yugoslavian tender Zmaj was build in Germany in 1929. It was captured by German troops in Split on 17.04.1941. First
commissioned as aircraft recovery vessel Drache in 1941. After being used as troop transport later that year, the ship was modified into a minelayer and put into service in November 1942. In January and February 1943 it was equipped with an on-board helicopter.
On 22.09.1944 it was attacked by allied aircraft at Samos and exploded 2 hours after the attack.
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« Reply #19 on: September 03, 2009, 02:52:53 pm » |
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above info as from 1943 position.
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« Reply #20 on: September 03, 2009, 03:36:38 pm » |
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Zmaj was a seaplane tender, and it has 2x2x40 mm guns I have read more often 2x2 too but less often 2x1, only pictures would help know the truth or some official paper. Note that Skoda 37mm can appear as 40mm since Skoda had the habit of rounding the calibre in their designations. Could this be of any assistance Sorry no, that is after Germans changed all guns. |
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« Reply #21 on: September 03, 2009, 03:52:21 pm » |
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Also, look at the breech mechanism, it is definetly a semi automatic loading guns. Is it possible that this guns were AT veapons adapted for AA role? If that gun in picture it is those 37mm(4cm) in Dubrovnik that also explains why it was replaced. It wasn't good enough for AA. Follows a part of the text(German) about Dubrovnik in book Kriegsmarine in der Adria 1941-45 (Marine Arsenal). It refer the Skoda 4cm(which for Skoda could mean 37mm)/67. |
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« Reply #22 on: September 04, 2009, 10:03:46 am » |
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If that gun in picture it is those 37mm(4cm) in Dubrovnik that also explains why it was replaced. It wasn't good enough for AA.
Follows a part of the text(German) about Dubrovnik in book Kriegsmarine in der Adria 1941-45 (Marine Arsenal). It refer the Skoda 4cm(which for Skoda could mean 37mm)/67.
I found the data that Dubrovnik, before rearming, had Skoda guns type 37 (40) mm/L67 ... but I can not validate the source ... So far, the source did not proved to be too reliable ... But it seems to me that this time is right ... I hope we resolve the problem and mystery ... |
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« Reply #23 on: September 04, 2009, 11:48:49 am » |
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Further data on Skoda was discovered by the edge in http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=157514&p=1371783#p1371783Skoda Z1 40mm dual propose gun - also references here http://www.palba.cz/viewtopic.php?t=2493Barrel length: L/71 (could be 40/67 "in Italian" My note:could be since italians had a different way to measure tube lenght) HE round weight: .95kg Shell Vo is 900-1000m/s Cyclic rate: 40 rpm Concerning calibre at .95kg round weight is is most certainly a real 40mm gun and not a 37mm gun. Now it is only needed a photo of Dubrovnik with 40mm Bofors to confirm it was really replaced. I have doubts. |
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« Reply #24 on: September 04, 2009, 11:55:53 am » |
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Concerning Zmaj Minelayer i have found also in "Kriegsmarine in der Adria" that it had also two double mounts of this gun Skoda 4cm/67.
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« Reply #25 on: September 04, 2009, 02:05:28 pm » |
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Well, this realy looks like gun from Dubrovnik and Zmaj. Thank you Dili  |
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« Reply #26 on: September 04, 2009, 02:43:38 pm » |
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Do you have a pic from Zmaj with this gun, and of Dubrovnik with Bofors?
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« Reply #27 on: September 04, 2009, 03:58:49 pm » |
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I found it ... Skoda 40mm/L67 on the Zmaj
You are right .. Dili, this photo that you posted on the forum, are guns from Zmaj.. In fact, I'm sure that they are actually pictured on the Zmaj
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Here it is the same twin canon's at its position on the Zmaj
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« Reply #28 on: September 04, 2009, 04:14:44 pm » |
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Excellent! Edit: now it is needed only a picture of a Bofors in Dubrovnik. I'll post later some pictures i have found of Perun Tanker. It is said it had also 40mm guns of unknown manufacturer. Below website lists Bofors guns bought by various states: 6 Dual and 8 single for Yugoslavia. If not happened another buy there aren't guns to upgrade Dubrovnik. The listed ones fits Beograd Class and Orjen torpedo boats. http://www.network54.com/Forum/330333/message/1192092430/Part+4 |
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