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« Reply #30 on: September 04, 2009, 09:53:51 pm » |
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Many websites have this wrong.
This guns are probably callled 40mm/L71 with M.(year) in Yugoslav nomenklature . I think 40/67 is the Italian designation because Italians measured tube lenght in different way and it is usually less 3-4 calibres. It would be interesting to know if my hipothesis is true and they were really Skoda 40/71 or are instead a variant with 67 tube lenght, but for that is needed official sources.
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« Reply #31 on: September 04, 2009, 10:14:31 pm » |
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Almost every nation had different mesuring system, that why there is so much confusion. This is an example... Barrel Length / Bore Length - One of the more confusing items about gun designations is that the way that the length (calibers) of a gun barrel is measured differs from nation to nation. The USA measured starting from the inner breech face for both bag and cartridge guns. Austria-Hungary (Skoda), Germany and Russia measured the length of the entire barrel. Britain, France, Italy, Japan and Sweden (Bofors) measured starting from the top of the mushroom head (vent axial) of the breech block for bag guns and starting from the inner breech face for cartridge guns. These differing methods have often resulted in nomenclature errors in reference works. For example, the 38 cm SK C/34 guns on the German battleship Bismarck are often noted as being 47 calibers long. Per the German method - overall barrel length - these guns were 51.66 calibers long and per the British/USA method - measured from the inner breech face - they were 48.3 calibers long. As every German document I have seen refers to these guns as being the equivalent of either 51.66 or 52 calibers long, I am not certain why so many authors refer to these guns as being 47 calibers long. My thanks to M.J. Whitley, whose series of books on German Warships of World War II first enlightened me on how the German methods differed from those of other nations. On my webpages, "Gun Length oa" refers to the overall barrel length. "Bore length" is per each nation's specification except where noted. I`ve found it here: http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/Gun_Data.htm |
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« Reply #32 on: September 06, 2009, 04:14:40 pm » |
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I know. But Italians were the only i know that consistently changed even original nomenklature. Everything they put their hands on they changed it.
Beograd Model Photo I collected while ago from Web. Unfortunately i didn't find a working link now. It think it was from YUmodel but the site seems to have changed.
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« Reply #33 on: September 06, 2009, 08:07:25 pm » |
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This pictures were taken in Military museum in Belgrade. It`s model of destroyer Zagreb that was scuttled ( blown up) by leutenants Sergej Mašera and Milan Spasić on 17.04.1941.
On third photo you can see model of destroyer R-21 Kotor ( ex Royal Navy W class Kampenfelt).
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« Reply #34 on: September 06, 2009, 08:37:08 pm » |
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Thanks for that info. Any reason for that horrible chrome in that ex. British destroyer?
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« Reply #35 on: September 06, 2009, 08:43:50 pm » |
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Sorry, no idea at all. It was long time since I was in the Military museum. In fact it was closed for restauration for some time.
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« Reply #36 on: September 18, 2009, 06:07:54 pm » |
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Thanks.
I suppose no one found photo evidence of a Bofors in Dubrovnik replacing the Skodas?
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« Reply #37 on: September 18, 2009, 06:13:45 pm » |
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Unfortunatelly, not yet ...
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« Reply #38 on: September 18, 2009, 06:42:46 pm » |
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Thanks dreadnought.
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« Reply #39 on: February 03, 2010, 10:42:53 pm » |
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This pictures were taken in Military museum in Belgrade. It`s model of destroyer Zagreb that was scuttled ( blown up) by leutenants Sergej Mašera and Milan Spasić on 17.04.1941.
On third photo you can see model of destroyer R-21 Kotor ( ex Royal Navy W class Kampenfelt).
I need to correct you, Motorista... These pictures were taken in the Maritime museum in Kotor, not in Belgrade. The model of the "Zagreb" destroyer was built by late Sime Radovic from Tivat who was the main modeller for the JNA (he also made models of tanks, artillery pieces, ships and so on). |
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« Reply #40 on: February 04, 2010, 06:56:26 am » |
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Marinero is speaking right. These photos are taken in maritime museum Kotor. I pictured them in summer 2007 and first time published at ABG forum.
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« Reply #41 on: November 24, 2011, 10:04:04 pm » |
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Hello its my first post on here last week I came across an article on the web about Dubrovnik which stated that the plan was to build a further three ships in Yugoslav yards.
This plan hit some problems and the Yugoslavs turned to France who subsequently supplied the Beograd and technology to build 2 more in Yugoslav yards.
is there any information about the origional plans available.
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« Reply #43 on: December 02, 2011, 07:50:15 pm » |
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Thanks very much, they were going to build three similar ships in Yugoslavia but something went wrong, was it finance or was it the loss of armaments supplier (Czechs) in 1938. |
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« Reply #44 on: December 02, 2011, 11:03:29 pm » |
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Hi,
construction of second flotilla leader (similar to Dubrovnik) started in july 1939 i Split shipyard. Plan was to arm ship with five 140mm Škoda guns, 10 Bofors 40mm AA guns, and 2 triple torpedo launchers. Unlike the Dubrovnik, it was planed to install automaticly loaded 140mm guns, but they were never ordered, because WWII break out.
After collaps of Yugoslav Kingdom in April war 1941, the kill was captured by Italians, who continued construction, but due to frequent sabotage by communists activist in yard, they never managed to launch the ship. After Italy capitulated, Germans retrieved construction, but also did not succses to finish it.
After the war, in the late 40s, new Yugoslav Navy began new construction. Ship was finally finished in 1958. and equiped thanks to US Millitary Aid Programe simillar to Fletcher class destroyers, armed with four 127mm automaticly loaded guns. It served in JRM until late 70s. It was stricken in 1985.
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