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« on: September 02, 2009, 04:03:57 pm »

Gentlemen sorry to be in english. Form my search Galeb class had 90mm AA gun, the recoil compensators are over the tubes in 83.5mm and below in 90mm.
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« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2009, 04:24:55 pm »

Galeb arrived with 90 mm guns. They were changed later.
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« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2009, 06:15:46 pm »

I never saw a photo of them with 83,5 mm. Do you have any?

I also have a reference that they came without armament from Germany.
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« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2009, 06:33:17 pm »

Hi Dili  Smiley I have info that minelawyer's of the class "Jastreb" were equipted with 90mm guns at the bigining of there service in JKRM. Just after fue years, ships are rearmed with 83,5 mm guns ...

This is a first arnament ... 90mm gun.

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Here is a foto of minelawyer "Jastreb" in early 20-is ...

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close-up of the same foto ...

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I hope that this can help you!

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« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2009, 06:42:54 pm »

Thanks dreadnought. I know the 90mm gun, i also have a photo of it,  now i just need a photo of them with 83,5mm to give it a rest. The Jastreb photo in this thread also have the 90mm.

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« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2009, 07:00:51 pm »

Here is 83,5mm gun foto!


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« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2009, 07:31:36 pm »

Thanks. Odd i tought they had compensators above the tube, here they seem to have below. The land version have compensators above the tube.

Do you know when they replaced 90mm?

I have this screenshot from a book that list 90mm still in 1939:


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« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2009, 08:09:57 pm »

The book that screnshot you got is "Vojna enciklopedija" ( Military encyclopedia). Author of that part had, probably, old data.

90 mm guns used on these ships were Škoda 9 cm PL vz. 12/20 land AA guns adapted for ships.
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« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2009, 08:16:17 pm »

Thanks that is the information i had too. I didn't know about the upgrade.
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« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2009, 08:22:55 pm »

It was hard times for our navy in 1920-es, they used anything they could.
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« Reply #10 on: September 07, 2009, 04:08:04 pm »

Yes and 20 years later was not better...XX Century was dreadful for Europe.

AxisForum member David Reasoner http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=157514&p=1372890#p1372890 brought an excerpt from article Warship International No.4, 1987; "Yugoslav Naval Guns and the Birth of the Yugoslav Navy 1918-41" by Dipl.-Ing. Rene Greger. about upgrade of conversion/upgrade of 90mm to 83.5mm in at least 4 of Minelayers.

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"The first Yugoslav warships in full commission weren't those taken over in March 1921, but were six ex-German minesweepers bought in Hamburg as tugs that July. They arrived in Tivat in autumn 1921, the first of them entering service several months later, carrying 90mm AA guns the Austro-Hungarian Navy in the Adriatic never knew. The history of these guns is an interesting one. First destined to be installed on heavy units which were never built, the old navy instead used them in the role of land AA pieces around main naval bases. It was via this route that several of them arrived in Boka Kotorska in 1917-18. Installed in positions occupied by Serb troops at the end of the war, they were not available for seizure by the French occupational forces, and thus became available for use on the purchased minesweepers.

Although the Skoda 90mm/45-caliber gun M.12 was a good weapon by World War I standards, a decade later it was due to be upgraded. In the meantime, the new 83.5mm gun had been introduced in the Yugoslav Royal Navy. As lack of funds prevented the purchase of new guns, and the old existing 90mm guns were in good condition, it was decided to have Skoda rework these to 83.5mm caliber instead. These reworked guns were delivered in 1931. From that time on, at least four of the Galeb class minelayers carried the reworked 83.5mm, with the remainder mounting one or two guns in their original form. This helps to explain the statements in various naval yearbooks of the thirties listing 90mm guns as late as 1941, even after the better informed editors of Weyer's had published correct information in 1939."

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« Reply #11 on: September 07, 2009, 07:51:44 pm »

Well, after the Great War, Yugoslav Royal Navy had to start from nill. So, they were forced to grab anything they could lay there hands on. First ships were these minelayers and old KuK Kriegsmarine Torpedoboots Tb21 Star, Tb36 Uhu, Tb38 Kranich and Tb19 Kibitz that were used as minesweepers D-1, D-2, D-3 and D-4. Only when treaty of Rapal was signed in 1922, we got 12 KuK Torpedoboots.
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« Reply #12 on: September 07, 2009, 09:22:43 pm »

D 2 u Šibeniku.


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« Reply #13 on: September 08, 2009, 01:37:27 pm »

I have read D2 was a minesweeper employed also for training. Was it also a minelayer?
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« Reply #14 on: September 08, 2009, 01:46:44 pm »

Just to point out from the photo i posted above converted 90mm to 83.5mm guns have a ring in tube and it appears longer.

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