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« Reply #180 on: October 31, 2011, 01:26:42 am »

Good morning,
I’m Marco Ghiglino, I work on a tug company in Genova, Italy. The reason why I’m writing you is beacause I’m also a naval historician and my passion carried me to ask you information about some old ships, in details tugboats “Borac”, "Udarnik" and “Proleter”  delivered on 1949 from 3 Maj shipbuildier in Rjieka to Company Brodospas plus a 4th tugboat of the same class delivered to Jugoslavian Navy (a think PR.....)
One of my best wishes is to see the old pictures, also know tcechnical details like lunch and delivery dates, more information as possible because as i know that boats were the 3rd series of Vigoroso class built for Italian Navy during the '30 and '40. This 4 tugboats anyway were laid down in Rijeka in february 1944 for the Kregsmarine then completed after the war for Jugoslavian Navy (1 unit) and Brodospas (Borac, Udarnik, Proleter).

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« Reply #181 on: October 31, 2011, 07:04:04 am »

Dear Mr. Ghiglino, as far as I know, there was a total of 10 tugboats of the italian design completed or newly built in Yugoslavia according to the blueprints of the "Gagliardo" class tugs. All of them were given the official navy designations PR (Pucinski remorker / high seas tug) and numbered 31 to 40, but some of them actually, never saw navy service, since they were delivered to the civilian companies (but also state owned, since we are talking about communist period). Several of those ships were in service with companies like "Pomgrad", "Brodospas", "Uljanik" shipyard in Pula, or the port authorities in Split and Rijeka.
As newly built, all those tugs were equipped with a steam engine of 600 IHP, but 4 of them which remained tyo serve with the Yugoslav navy till the end, were redesigned and re-engined in the mid seventies in the naval Repair facility in Tivat. On those tugs (pr 36- 39)the original steam engine was replaced with a 1.300 HP MAN diesel engine.
To return to the begging of this story, I must point out that the ex PR-32 was sold in 1955 to the Uljanik Shipyard in Pula where she served till 1988 as the "Oliva". She was then sold to two privateers who reconstructed her in a fishing boat under the same name -"Oliva". She was re/engined with a 700 HP  General Motors diesel engine and she still sails today. The PR-33 built in 1953, was sold in 1963 to the Luka Ploce porth authority where she served as the civilian tug named "Grncenik" till 1967 when she was bought by "Brodospas" and served with this company till 1971 when she was broken up at Sveti Kajo.
PR-36, just after her reconstruction and re-engineering in Tivat, was sold to a civilian owner in 1973, and then in 1991 she became the civilian owned tug "Sime" in Croatia. She still sails under this name today. PR/37 served with the Navy till 2003 and then she was sold to a man from Croatia who renamed her "Zelja". The tug was laid up for several years in Croatia, but she was recently overhauled and should be back in service. The PR-38 was sold three years ago to a private owner from Montenegro, and is since then laid up in Tivat, awaiting decision whether she will be scrapped or reconstructed in a retro looking luxury yacht. PR-39 was sold do a private owner from Serbia in 1995, and was renamed "Milos" but I am not sure of what happened to her later on.
As far as the photos are concerned, You cam find several of them on this topic here....
Hoping that this was helpfull!
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« Reply #182 on: October 31, 2011, 10:46:21 am »

Dear Mr Marinero,
thanks alot for the very very usefull information, i notice that the PR 31 -40 tugs were quite similar to Gagliardo-Vigoroso project but i didn't know the number of them, thanks. In the information taken on internet i saw most of them were built in Kraljevica, do you know wich of them were built in Rijeka (apart the 3 for Brodospas that i'm sure about)?
I'm pointing on this 4 tugs built in Rijeka because were not only built on Italian blueprints but already ordered by Regia Marina before the end of the war so i can put them on Italian Navy list of losses.

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« Reply #183 on: November 02, 2011, 01:59:44 pm »

information about some old ships, in details tugboats “Borac”, "Udarnik" and “Proleter”  delivered on 1949 from 3 Maj shipbuildier in Rjieka to Company Brodospas

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« Reply #184 on: November 05, 2011, 03:20:22 pm »

Greatings Marko. This is a page from from 3 Maj shipbuildiers commercial almanach from 1953.



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I hope that this will be helpfull. Regards.


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« Reply #185 on: November 06, 2011, 04:55:50 pm »

Yes thanks alot, very helpfull....my last wish is just to know wich of the PR tugs were built in Rieka......but for the moment thans to all friends in the other part of the Adriatic, is really nice to cooperate with you!!!!

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« Reply #186 on: November 20, 2011, 09:46:03 pm »

DOBIĆE RETROIZGLED

Vojni remorkeri idu na obnovu, od brodića postaće jahte

Voditelj projekta Antonio Stevanović kazao je da će rekonstrukcija „Arsenala II“ u luksuznu jahtu potrajati oko godinu i da će koštati više od 300.000 eura

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Dva nekadašnja vojna, mala, takozvana lučka remorkera tipa LR, koja su korišćena u bivšem tivatskom vojnom brodogradilištu Arsenal, uskoro će biti obnovljena, a jedan od njih biće pretvoren u luksuznu jahtu retroizgleda, kakve su danas izuzetno cijenjene i tražene u jahting-industriji.

Remorkeri "Arsenal I" i "Arsenal II" su sada vlasništvo firme "Hyppocampus" iz Kotora, koja ih je 2008. za 37.000 eura kupila od kompanije "Adriatic Marinas", kojoj su ta dva broda pripala nakon što je kanadski milijarder Piter Mank, većinski vlasnik "Adriatic Marinasa", kupio tivatsko vojno brodogradilište.

Oba broda nedavno su iz Boke prebačena u Bar, gdje su dokovani u marini "OMC Sveti Nikola". Tu će na njima biti obavljeni i neophodni radovi, pa će "Arsenal I", zadržavajući isto ime, uskoro, nakon remonta, ponovo zaploviti kao remorker sa "obnovljenim papirima" od Registra UPS Crne Gore i novom plovidbenom dozvolom.

Njegov blizanac, "Arsenal II", proći će mnogo ozbiljniji "tretman" i biće pretvoren u luksuznu jahtu kapaciteta šest ležajeva u tri kabine za goste, i još toliko za članove posade.

"Idejno rješenje rekonstrukcije remorkera u jahtu napravio je brodograditelj iz Splita Frano Fleš, a u toku je izrada finalnog glavnog projekta. Nastojaćemo da se spoljašnji izgled remorkera što manje mijenja, jer je upravo njihov tradicionalni, klasični vizuelni identitet nešto što ove brodove čini veoma traženim u ovom segmentu jahting-industrije za rekonstrukciju u jahte retroizgleda", kazao je "Vijestima" voditelj tog projekta Antonio Stevanović.

On je dodao da će na oba remorkera biti zadržan njihov originalni i izuzetno pouzdani motor tipa "burmeister", snage 250 konja, koji je, sam po sebi, svojevrsni tehnološki istorijski spomenik i atrakcija, a brodovi će u svim ostalim detaljima biti uređeni i opremljeni u skladu sa najnovijim SOLAS i MARPOL propisima.

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Stevanović je dodao da će rekonstrukcija "Arsenala II" u luksuznu jahtu potrajati oko godinu dana i da će koštati više od 300.000 eura.

Remorkeri "Arsenal I" i "Arsenal II" izgrađeni su 1955. i 1957. u Rijeci kao LR-75 i LR-80, za nekadašnju Jugoslovensku ratnu mornaricu.

Ovi izuzetno čvrsto građeni brodovi imaju po 62 tone deplasmana, dugi su 21,5 i široki 4,6 metara.

Ukupno je u toj seriji izgrađeno 15 remorkera, od kojih većina plovi i danas, više od pola vijeka nakon što su sišli sa navoza u brodogradilištu, što pokazuje koliko su kvalitetno i čvrsto napravljeni.


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« Reply #187 on: November 21, 2011, 12:08:13 am »

PR 41 uplovljava u Tivat po povratku sa vjezbe Adrion Livex 2010.


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« Reply #188 on: January 20, 2012, 08:19:13 pm »


 Evo jedna starija PR 37

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« Reply #189 on: January 27, 2012, 06:32:20 pm »

Slikano danas u JBB


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« Reply #190 on: January 27, 2012, 11:12:21 pm »


 PA, dokle još da stoji platforma u JBB Huh?
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« Reply #191 on: January 28, 2012, 12:14:01 am »

Na to pitanje vjerovatno niko ne bi znao dati odgovor Smiley Isto vazi i za SABRINU
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« Reply #192 on: February 07, 2012, 04:06:16 pm »

Jucerasnja fotka PR 38. I dalje je u Bonicima....



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« Reply #193 on: February 21, 2012, 06:07:10 pm »

ево слике ПР 38 из приватне колекције његовог К.данта
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« Reply #194 on: February 23, 2012, 09:20:02 pm »

PIPI MALI - exPR 37-ZUBATAC
Slike sa http://www.shipspotting.com/ (slike postavio Hans de Graff)


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