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« on: February 06, 2010, 07:26:04 pm »

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« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2010, 07:27:46 pm »

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« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2010, 07:29:27 pm »

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« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2010, 08:38:14 pm »

@bozo13

Lepe slike, lepa vozila.

Samo malo mi je "lagano" to naoruzanje + bez oklopoa za naoruzanje.
JEdan do dva precizna hica sanjperiste u municisku kutiju i toliko borbeno vozilo ostaje bez jedinog naoruzanja kojim posada moze iza oklopa da dejstvuje.
To mi se bas nesvidja. Osim cene da li ima neki drugi razlog zasto se VS odlucila za ovu vrstu naoruzanja ?
Da li ove borbe stanice imaju termoviziju ?
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« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2010, 08:46:43 pm »

Et tu, Brutus? Tongue

Želje svih su, da bi imali Svarunu 30 mm top, neki 30mm top+Spike rakete....
Odluka je bila čisto politička. Bolje bi bilo, da su uzeli par komada manje, pa ove naoružane kako treba.
Za termoviziju nisam siguran, ali mislim da je u toj kombinaciji nemaju. Možda koji drugi član zna više o tome.
Inače lično mislenje je, da to, da stanica nije oklopljena ni nije baš kiks, više volim da je posada bolje oklopljena. Ipak se posadu teže nadomesti od naoružanja.


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« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2010, 08:28:22 am »

Politicar .... oni nece biti u tim vozilima kad zagusti.
A kontam da im je jedna od ideja bila da posto ce se ta vozila koristiti u mirovnim misijama da nije bas pozeljo da izgledaju suvise pretece Smiley

Ja vezujem naoruzanje sa mogucnosti da posada prezivi. Ako ostnes bez osnovnog naoruzanja a nemas ni puskarnice na vozilu onda neko mora da izadje da zastiti vozilo i tada se izlaze opsnosti. Danas svako u svetu ima RPG-7 ili nesto bolje.
Malo oklopa oko municije i naoruzanja nije toliki dodatak masi.
Makar da su uzeli neku varijantu spoljne oruzane stanice tipa top 20-25-30 mm sa pomocnim mitraljezom ili bacacem granata.

Dobro uvek moze to kasnije da se dokupi (uz novu proviziju:) )
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« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2010, 09:59:47 pm »

Pročitah u današnjoj "Politici" članak "Novi život oklopnjaka JNA u slovenačkoj armiji" (nema ga u Internet izdanju).  Prema ovom tekstu 74.motorizovani bataljon je prisiljen da iz muzeja u Pivki izvuče stare BVP M-80 i aktivira ih. Uzrok je da Finci kasne sa isporukama jer se vodi istraga oko mita koje su primili slovenački političari. Uprvo zbog priprema za učešće u Avganistanu moraju se vratiti M-80. Kako su ta vozila dugo van upotrebe, a i slabih su oklopnih performansi, lokalna štampa strahuje za živote slovenačkih vojnika. Osim oklopnih vozila Slovenačka vojska je navodno vratila u upotrebu i stare TAM-110TB, na koje su montirani minobacači 120mm, kupljeni početkom 90-tih u Izraelu. Ova reaktivacija starog naoružawa će 74.mtb omogućiti da dobije "sertifikat za dejtvo bar u lokalnoj sredini" ali nisu sigurni hoće li dobiti "afitmacijsku potvrdu za priključivanje NATO strukturama" u međunarodnim intervencijama.
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« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2010, 10:55:30 pm »

Protectori imaju svi termovizijske uređaje. U stvari - ovaj protector ima 3 verzije - prva ima ne baš najbolju termoviziju i nema stabilizacije, druga ima poboljšanu termoviziju a poslednji tip i stabilizaciju. Koja verzija je u SV, neznam.

Ono oko minobacača - ovi tami su vučna vozila, a minobacači su vučni izraelski, koji su slični JNA bacačima M74 lil M75 (barem po izgledu, da ne bude zablude, nisu baš isti). Ovdje se ne radi o nekim prepravljenim TAM-ovima, koji imaju ugrađen minobacač u strukturi vozila.

U muzeju je jedan primerak BVP-ja M80. U kasarni u Pivki ima i 45 oklopni bataljon, koji ima u naoružanju tenkove M84, BVP M80, a tu su i konzervirani tenkovi M55S te još koja prekobrojna vozila M80. U Mariboru ima 74 bataljon, koji ima jednu četu od 13 svaruna te još 2 četi sa po 14 BVP-ja M80, koji su u naoružanju bili još od prije. Po planu bi vjerovatno ovi M80 več morali iči u rashod, a zbog krize a najviše zbog promjene vlasi prošle godine, to se još nije dogodilo.
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« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2010, 02:09:47 am »

Imam jedno pitanje.
Da li se ovo borbeno vozilo proizvodi u možda nekim manjim serijama (ili po narudžbini) u varijanti guseničara.
Znam da bi onda bilo znatno sporije ali bi imalo i znatno manju siluetu a i prohodnost po velikom blatu i sličnim terenima bi mu bila dosta bolja.
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« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2010, 07:21:55 am »

Imam jedno pitanje.
Da li se ovo borbeno vozilo proizvodi u možda nekim manjim serijama (ili po narudžbini) u varijanti guseničara.
Znam da bi onda bilo znatno sporije ali bi imalo i znatno manju siluetu a i prohodnost po velikom blatu i sličnim terenima bi mu bila dosta bolja.

Odgovor je ne. Finci upotrebljavaju od gusenica švedski Combat Vehicle 90. A šveđani njihove Patrije, ma da još starije verzije.
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« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2010, 07:27:04 am »

Koliko ja znam, ne. Pokušavali su s tim pristupom Švedjani (SEP), ali su odlučili, da prekinu razvoj i traže sad u okviru postojećih rješenja.
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« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2010, 09:29:52 am »

Zahtjevi za tjelo kolesnog i guseničnig oklopnjaka su dosta različite. Pa sad, da stvaraš zajedničku platformu - jeste moguče, ali to ne znači, da češ zbog toga uštjediti. To mi sliči na avijon F35, koji je umjesto da bi bio jeftin, postao skup in praktički neupotrebljiv (barem kao lovac nije ništa naročito).

Da se vratimo na Svaruna. Kod nas je bila afera, da su finci priredili testove protivminske zaštite i sada niko u stvari nezna, koliko su ova vozila bezbedna. Po mome, posada ovakvog vozila bi trebala preživjeti, kada točkom naiđe na minu TRPM6 ili kada ga gađaju mitraljezom DŠK 12,7mm.
Zaštita protiv RPG7 ostvaruje se ERO oklopom, kavezom ili aktivnom zaštitom.
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« Reply #12 on: February 09, 2010, 09:50:19 am »

Još par slika Svaruna, objavljenih sa dopuštenjem autora.
Autor slika je Matic Štojs.
Slike preuzete sa sajta: http://photodohtar.wordpress.com/

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« Reply #13 on: February 09, 2010, 09:51:37 am »

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