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« Reply #570 on: October 22, 2018, 08:03:14 pm »

Eurofighter nikad i nije imao šanse da bude odabran. Ono što je odložilo odluku Belgijske vlade je Francusa ponuda Rafale aviona i mogućnost da se Belgija priključi Nemačkoj i Francuskoj u razvoju novog Eurofighter-a. E problem su upravo ti troškovi koji po nekim procenama idu i do 20 milijardi evra doduše procenjuje se da bi indirektno zaradili od toga nekih 4 milijarde evra i dobili oko 5000 radnih mesta. No onda bi opet 2030. morali da prelaze na taj novi eurofightera i ko zna koliko bi to dodatnih troškova donelo i ko zna kakav će to avion biti tada.

Sa druge strane je F-35 koji će prema najgorim predviđanjima koštati oko 5.5 milijardi evra i već sada se zna šta se dobija. Iako im SAD nije ništa obećao postoji mogućnost da zamene Tursku kao zemlja za održavanje aviona u Evropi. Ako je to deo nekog tajnog dogovora onda je ovo nekoliko klasa bolje rešenje. U suprotnom teško je oceniti šta je bolja ponuda bez svih podataka iz zvaničnih izvora.

Belgija ima svoje obaveze u NATO kao što su Air Policing, učestvovanje u zajedničkim operacijama, tu su i obaveze oko EU odluka o zajdničkim snagama tako da itekako imaju razlog da biraju pažljivo. U zahtevima vojske 10 aviona mora biti opremljeno za borbu protiv PVO tako da u tome ovi drugi aviona teško mogu biti konkurencija F-35.

Prema nekim medijima sve je dogovoreno još 2013. i da je u pitanju korupcija ali nema dokaza za tako nešto.
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« Reply #571 on: October 22, 2018, 10:58:44 pm »

Belgija se odlučila za nabavku 34 letelice po ceni od 17,2 mld $.

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Belgium Picks F-35 Lightning II over Eurofighter Typhoon
October 22, 2018

Belgium Picks F-35 Lightning II over Eurofighter Typhoon to replace F-16. Belgium has chosen Lockheed Martin’s  F-35 stealth jets over the Eurofighter Typhoon to replace its aging F-16s, news agency Belga cited government sources as saying, in a move that would cement the U.S.-made war plane’s position in Europe.

In February, the US defense contractor Lockheed Martin and a European consortium of aerospace manufacturers became the only two participants in a competition to provide state-of-the-art warplanes to Belgium, pitting the F-35 against the Eurofighter Typhoon.

Brussels has picked the advanced US F-35 Lightning II fighter jet to replace Belgium’s aging fleet of F-16 jets, the Belgian newspaper DeMorgen cited several government sources as saying on Monday.

Last month, US Ambassador to Belgium Ronald Gidwitz urged the Belgian government to make a decision on the tender for acquiring 34 new fighter jets by mid-October. The latest deadline for the decision was reportedly scheduled for October 29.

The country has been deliberating for months over a multibillion-dollar purchase of 34 new fighter jets, with the latest deadline for a decision being Oct. 29.

Lockheed spokeswoman Carolyn Nelson did not confirm that a decision had been made but said the company remains confident that the F-35 is the right choice for Belgium.

“The F-35 offers the transformational capability for the Belgian Air Force and, if selected, will align them with a global coalition operating the world’s most advanced aircraft.”

If confirmed, the decision will make Belgium the 12th country to buy the radar-evading F-35 jets and could help to strengthen the U.S. aerospace company’s position in forthcoming tenders in Switzerland, Finland, and Germany.

The new aircraft are due to replace the fleet of F-16 fighters that have been in service with the Belgian Air Force since the early 1980s.

The Belgian government reportedly plans to allocate a total of 15 billion euros (17.2 billion dollars) for the purchase and maintenance of the 34 new warplanes.


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« Reply #572 on: October 23, 2018, 05:06:30 am »

Авиони су све скупље играчке, све их је мање и све је мање земаља које су способне да их произведу. Остварује се оно шаљиво америчко предвиђање да ће САД на крају иматио само један авион, морнарица ће га добијати викендом, а маринци сваке преступне године. F-35 може да буде шанса за белгијску индустрију да добије неке пројекте. Њихова вредност се мери милијардама. Не ради се само о шанси да ваздухопловство остане релевантно, него и о шанси да индустрија добије шансу да ради на пројектима високе технологије.
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« Reply #573 on: October 23, 2018, 06:31:37 am »

Qatar je narucio i Eurofighter i Rafal ?
Da li je tamosnji Emir podvojena osoba?
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« Reply #574 on: October 23, 2018, 08:18:18 am »

Sa F-35 se dobija jedna velika macka u dzaku za velike pare.
Kupis avioni onda cekas 5-10 da dobijes avion a onda jos +/- 5 godina da dobijes softwer koji ce ti mozda omoguciti da koristis sve njegove mogucnosti.
A amerikanci vec rade na novoj verziji F-35 tj planu modernizacije a ni osnovnu verziju nisu usvojili. Doduse to nije slucajno jer su amerikanci svesni nedostataka kod F-35 a izlazne strategije osim toga da od njega naprave upotrebljiv avion nemaju.
Tako da ce amerikanci izgurati i napraviti od njega upotrebljiv avion pitanje je samo koliko ce im jos vremena trebati i koliko ce to kostati.
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« Reply #575 on: October 23, 2018, 09:28:42 am »


34 aviona za 15 milijardi EUR, izlazi 441MEur po avionu. Očigledno je reč o avionima sa nekoliko kompleta naoružanja, sa uračunatim trošđkovima održavanja tokom radnog veka. Ipak, to je neverovatna cifra! Jedan avion izlazi skoro kao ceo godišnji vojni budžet Srbije. Pa ti budi u NATO!
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« Reply #576 on: October 23, 2018, 10:28:46 am »

Kažu da je su tu uračunati rezervni delovi, troškovi održavanja tokom celog radnog veka, obuka letačkog i zemaljskog osoblja, izgradnja postrojenja za održavanje letelica i nekoliko bojevih kompleta V-V i V-Z.
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« Reply #577 on: October 23, 2018, 06:44:09 pm »

Ta cena je nerealna i za F-22 a kamoli za F-35.
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« Reply #578 on: October 23, 2018, 07:35:51 pm »

Qatar je narucio i Eurofighter i Rafal ?
Da li je tamosnji Emir podvojena osoba?

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« Reply #579 on: October 24, 2018, 02:29:55 am »

Ta cena je nerealna i za F-22 a kamoli za F-35.
Ако сам добро разумео, то је буџет који је Белгија издвојила за ово. Питање је шта тај буџет укључује. Ако F-35 кошта $30,000 по сату летења, 30 пилота са 200 сати по авиону је 180 милиона годишње. Белгијски војни буџет је око 4.7 милијарди долара годишње и испод је 1% GDP. Трамп тражи да се издвајања повећају на 2%.
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« Reply #580 on: October 26, 2018, 10:40:50 pm »

Definitivno je potvrđena odluka o kupovini F-35A.

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F-35 officially wins Belgian fighter contest
By: Valerie Insinna   25.10.2018.

WASHINGTON — Belgium has officially selected the F-35 as its next-generation fighter, becoming the 13th country to join the program, the Belgian government announced Thursday.

With that decision, Lockheed Martin has defeated a bid by the governments of Spain, Italy, Germany and the United Kingdom for the Eurofighter Typhoon, as well as an informal offer by France for the Dassault Rafale and an option for Belgium to upgrade its existing F-16s.

Belgium plans to buy 34 F-35As to replace F-16 inventory, which numbers about 54 jets. The U.S. State Department has already approved the deal, which has an estimated value of $6.5 billion.

According to Reuters, Belgian Defence Minister Steven Vandeput told reporters on Oct. 25 that the F-35 beat the other contenders in all seven selection criteria. “We are investing heavily in defense,” Vandeput tweeted, citing Belgium’s decision to buy F-35s and new land vehicles. Meanwhile, U.S. stakeholders immediately began celebrating the outcome of the competition.

“Lockheed Martin is honored by the Belgian government’s selection of the F-35A Lightning II for their future national security needs,” the company said in a statement. “We look forward to supporting the U.S. government in delivering the F-35 program to meet the requirements of the Belgian government.” Vice Adm. Mat Winter, head of the the F-35 joint program executive office, said the decision to join the program will strengthen the U.S.-Belgian relationship.

“We look forward to working closely with our Belgian teammates as they mature plans for purchasing their F-35s,” he said in a statement. The U.S. Embassy in Brussels tweeted a response to Vandeput, stressing how Belgium’s F-35 selection would add to NATO interoperability.

U.S. Rep. Mike Turner, R-Ohio, who chairs the House Armed Services Committee’s Tactical Air and Land Forces Subcommittee, said Belgium’s F-35 buy “reaffirms Belgium’s military and strategic partnership with the United States, as well as builds Belgium’s defense capabilities as a strong NATO ally.” Turner had interfaced with Belgian officials over the past year, providing assurances that the U.S. Congress would support an F-35 sale to Brussels, he said in a statement.


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« Reply #581 on: November 01, 2018, 12:12:33 am »

Kanad aočekuje da joj se do maja sledeće godine dostave ponude za nabavku novog borbenog aviona. Program planira nabavku 88 letelica po ceni od 12Mld $.

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Canada to accept bids for new fighter jet in May — here are the potential competitors
By: David Pugliese   30.10.2018.

VICTORIA, British Columbia — Canada expects to accept formal bids for a new fighter jet in May, with the first aircraft delivered by 2025, according to Canadian government procurement officials.

A draft bid package for 88 fighters was issued to companies for their feedback by the end of this year, said Pat Finn, assistant deputy minister for materiel at the Department of National Defence. From there, the final bidding instructions for the CA$16 billion (U.S. $12 billion) procurement will be issued and bids required by May 2019, he added.

The aircraft will replace Canada’s current fleet of CF-18 fighter jets. The aircraft expected to be considered include Lockheed Martin’s F-35, the Eurofighter Typhoon, the Dassault Rafale, Saab’s Gripen and the Boeing Super Hornet.

The Canadian government will require a robust package of guaranteed industrial benefits or offsets from the winning bidder, government officials said. But that could be a problem for the F-35, as Canada is still a partner in that program, which does not guarantee participating-nations contracts. Work on the F-35 program is based on best value and price.

Canadian industrial participation in the F-35 program has reached $1 billion, as more than 110 Canadian firms have landed contracts related to the aircraft program.

Jeff Waring, director general for industrial benefits policy at the federal Innovation, Science and Economic Development Canada, said the country sees the fighter jet program as a “once-in-a-generation opportunity for the Canadian economy.”

But he noted the industrial benefits policy is flexible. “It is a market-driven approach,” he said. “It encourages suppliers to make investments that make sense to them. ”The issue of industrial benefits has already been discussed with companies interested in bidding on the project, and those talks will continue as feedback is received on the draft bid package, government officials said.


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« Reply #582 on: November 06, 2018, 11:10:07 pm »

Južna Koreja i Španija pregovaraju o razmeni aviona. Španija pokušava da nađe zamenu za svoje prestarele Pilane i Kaze 101 nabavkom koreanskih KT-1 i TA-50. Oni nude 4 do 6 transportnih A400M u zamenu za 34 KT-1 i 20 TA-50.

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South Korea and Spain seek deal to swap trainer jets for airlifters
By: Jeff Jeong 05.11.2018.

SEOUL — South Korean and Spanish defense officials are to discuss a possible trade of trainer and transport aircraft, according to arms procurement officials and industry sources in the Asian nation.

The deal may involve about 50 basic and advanced trainer jets built by Korea Aerospace Industries, or KAI, and four to six Airbus A400M airlifters, they said.

“South Korea and Spain plan to hold a joint defense industry committee in Madrid this month to discuss bilateral issues,” said an official with the Defense Acquisition Program Administration, speaking on condition of anonymity. “The swap deal is not an official agenda item on the table, but the sides are open to discussing it.”

The proposal was made by Spain during the Farnborough International Airshow in the U.K. last July, as the Spanish Air Force seeks to replace its older trainer fleet of Chilean ENAER T-35C Pillan jets, according to an industry source privy to the potential swap deal.

“Spain ordered 27 A400M transport aircraft from Airbus but has decided not to use 13 of them, so the Spanish defense authorities have got approval from Airbus to sell the surplus products to other countries,” the source said. “Spain wants to sell four to six A400Ms to South Korea, and it buys 34 KT-1 basic trainer aircraft and 20 more T-50 supersonic trainer jets for advanced pilot training if possible.”

If the deal is reached, Spain is willing to sell the A400M plane at 15 percent of the per-unit price of some $27 million, he said, adding the total value of the swap deal could be approximately $890 million.

The envisaged deal could be a breakthrough for KAI to sell more of its trainer aircraft after its recent defeat in a U.S. Air Force trainer competition. “Any swap deal is delegated to the DAPA and its Spanish counterpart, and we’re waiting on the results,” a KAI spokesman said. Airbus would not discuss the prospect of such a deal. Industry sources believe the proposed deal could meet the South Korean Air Force’s need of acquiring larger airlifters for longer-range missions.

During an Oct. 19 parliamentary inspection of the Air Force, the service revealed a plan to procure four more large transport aircraft in addition to its existing fleet of CN-235 and C-130 planes.

“We have a plan to deploy larger transport aircraft to increase our capacity of rapid force deployment, emergency relief, peacekeeping and other operations over long distances,” Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. Lee Wang-keun said in a report to lawmakers. Preliminary research on the requirements of the larger airlifter acquisition will be conducted between 2019 and 2020 before a request for proposal is issued for full operational capability by 2022, according to Air Force officials. The A400M Atlas is regarded as a strong candidate for the airlift procurement program, as the C-17 Globemaster III production line run by Boeing is shut down. The A400M can carry 116 fully equipped troops and up to 66 stretchers accompanied by 25 medical personnel.

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« Reply #583 on: November 11, 2018, 05:24:54 pm »

Prijetnje sankcijama

Indonezija bi mogla odustati od kupovine ruskih borbenih aviona zbog protivljenja SAD-a
AUTOR:Novac.hr OBJAVLJENO: 11.11.2018

Plan indonezijskih vlasti da od Rusije kupi borbene avione Suhoj Su-35S mogao bi propasti zbog posljedica koje bi najveća muslimanska država mogla snositi od strane SAD-a, piše ugledni portal za vojna pitanja IHS Janes.

Tu je informaciju prije nekoliko dana novinarima Janes-a potvrdio visoki dužnosnik Zračnih snaga Indonezije Novyan Samyoga. Prema njegovim riječima, u slučaju da Amerikanci predlože "teško podnošljive" sankcije Indoneziji zbog kupnje ruskih zrakoplova, njegova će država biti prisiljena kupiti "borbeni avion neke zapadne države".

U tom slučaju, piše Janes, Indonezija bi kupila američke F-16 Viper borbene avione, dakle borbene zrakoplove 4++ generacije koje proizvodi Lockheed Martin, a čiju su kupnju već ugovorili Bahrein i Slovačka (Slovaci će za 14 aviona, plus obuku i naoružanje, platiti 1,87 milijardi dolara).

Jakarta je ranije ove godine postigla dogovor s Moskvom o kupnji  11 višenamjenskih borbenih aviona Suhoj Su-35S, trenutno najmodernijima koje Rusija proizvodi (također 4++ generacije), a za koje bi Indonezija ukupno platila 1,14 milijardi dolara. Plaćanje ne bi bilo samo u novcu, nego i proizvodima poput kave, palminog ulja i čaja, koje Indonezija, inače četvrta najmnogoljudnija država na svijetu (ima 261 milijun stanovnika) izvozi u velikim količinama.

No, ako zaista kupe Su-35S, Indonežanima prijete sankcije pod američkim aktom CAATSA, a kojim se propisuju restrikcije u trgovini s državama koje kupuju oružje i vojnu tehnologiju od Rusije. Stoga Samyoga tvrdi da Jakarta neće imati drugog izbora nego poništiti već potpisani ugovor s Rusima kako bi spriječili nastupanje strogih američkih sankcija.

Naime, Indonezija je zbog kršenja ljudskih prava u Istočnom Timoru (tako je barem objašnjeno) već bila metom sankcija od strane SAD-a od sredine 90-ih godina pa sve do 2005.. To su Zračne snage Indonezije dosta teško podnijele budući da nisu mogle kupiti  američke avione (Borbeni F-16 i transportni C-130 Hercules) koje su tada željeli.

 - Moramo imati flotu koja je kombinacija aviona s istoka i zapada. Politika je nesiguran posao i moramo dobro balansirati između dva pola, čemu su nas naučile i prijašnje sankcije - zaključio je Samyoga.

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