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« Reply #120 on: February 24, 2011, 02:50:25 am »

Da budem precizniji ulazili su u sastav 1. PzJgKp/80. PzJgAbt spomenute 44. divizije. Ne mogu da garantujem, jer nisam stigao da proverim da 80. PzJgAbt nije promenio naziv krajem 1944. godine jer su tada nemačke manje jedinice skoro svakodnevno menjale svoj naziv.
Tako je na primer, po Kumu, četa iz Stug.Abt 105 (formacijski je Stug.Abt 105 pripadao V brdskom korpusu) koja je tokom borbi u Srbiji u jesen 1944. godine bila potčinjena 7 SS diviziji nakon borbi kod Beograda preimenovana u Stug.Abt 1007 i ušla u formacijski sastav 7 SS divizije ali je još pre kraja 1944. godine, zbog nedovoljnog broja jurišnih topova preformirana u Stug,Komp. 1007 tj u četu jurišnih topova.
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« Reply #121 on: February 24, 2011, 08:13:19 am »

Vozila već pominjanog Pz.Abt.202.


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« Reply #122 on: February 24, 2011, 08:16:26 am »

Oklopni automobili AEC iz sastava 1 Tenkovske brigade.


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« Reply #123 on: February 24, 2011, 09:10:34 am »

Laki tenk L6/40 u nemačkoj službi, sa "dodatnom" kamuflažom na kupoli. Trebalo bi da je snimljeno negde u Dalmaciji.

Nisam siguran koliko je efektna kamuflaža ova grana na kupoli, u ovom kršu i kamenu Smiley.



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« Reply #124 on: February 24, 2011, 09:22:46 am »

Kao što slika kaže, na krasu.


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A ovde imamo prelazak reke.


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« Reply #125 on: February 24, 2011, 10:04:42 am »

Tenkovi L6/40 u borbi.


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I još jedan T-34 5 SS Policijske čete i jedan Partizanski AEC.


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« Reply #126 on: February 24, 2011, 10:05:00 am »

Sumnjam da su samohotke koje je sinoc postovao Topola koriscene na jugoslovenskom ratistu.
Ono sto pokazuju istrazivanja kolege Stefana di Giusta iz Udina i fotografije koje je on objavio, je, da su periodu posle kapitulacije Italije na prostoru koji pominje Topola, koriscene samohotke tipa Marder III (na sasiji Prage, Pz Kw 38t), ali iz sastava nemacke 71.divizije, odnosno 1. cete njenog protivoklopnog diviziona (1.kp/Pz.Jag.Abt 171).

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« Reply #127 on: February 24, 2011, 02:54:56 pm »

44. Reichsgrenadierdivision "Hoch und Deutschmeister" je učestvovala u borbama u Sloveniji oktobra 1943. godine kao i Batinskoj bici. Ona je uopšte imala vrlo čudan borbeni put. Ako su oni Marderi I snimljeni kod nas samo mogu da budu njeni. Ja lično vrlo slabo poznajem II svetski rat u Sloveniji tako da bi neko od Plaubaraca iz Slovenije moga da proveri (pogotovo što je obuhvaćen kratak period - oktobar 1943. godine) da li je u borbama u tim krajevima učestvovao i PzJgAbt te divizije - divizija jeste sigurno. Fotografije sigurno nisu iz vremena Batinske bitke.
Samo jedna napomena ova divizija nema ničeg zajedničkog sa 44. pešadijskom divizijom formiranom na našim prostorima krajem 1944. godine preformiranjem i grupisanjem tvrđavskih jedinica iz Grčke. Ova 44. pešadijska divizija je interesantna što je među prvima (ako ne i prva - nisam siguran) koja je dobila Hecere.
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« Reply #128 on: February 24, 2011, 03:57:33 pm »

Upravo sam našao da je Panzerjäger-Abteilung 80 od 1. juna 1943. godine preimenovan u Panzerjäger-Abteilung 46. Naime, originalna 44. pešadijska divizija je gotovo u potpunosti uništena pa su jedinice koje su 1. juna 1943. godine ušle u sastav novoformirane divizije (44.) Reichs-Grenadier-Division Hoch und Deutschmeister dobile oznake koje su imale originalne jedinice u uništenoj 44. diviziji.
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« Reply #129 on: February 24, 2011, 04:09:04 pm »

Evo vam dragi palubarci kretanje brojnog stanja u PzAbt. 202 iz ruske literature premda je tekst na engleskom. Mislim da svi razumete tako da nema potrebe da prevodim
1st July 1944: 24 M15/42 operational (+8), 20 Hotchkiss, 4 S35 (+5)
1st August 1944: 30 M15/42 operational (+10), 2 Hotchkiss and 2 S35
1st September 1944: 36 M15/42 operational (+6), no French tanks.
Abteilung moved to Serbia. 2.Kompanie was sent into Romania and later in Hungary and employed there under various Kampfgruppen.
1st October 1944: 28 M15/42 (+9)
1st November 1944: 17 M15/42 (+13)
1st December 1944: 16 M15/42 (+6)
1st January 1945: 18 M15/42 (+5)
1st February 1945: 13 M15/42 (+8)
1st March 1945: Abteilung received 9 italian armoured vehicles when SS StuG Batterie Skanderberg was disbanded in 1945, 2 Stug M41 mit 75/18 and 7 M13/40.
It has received a 4.Kompanie previously from Pz.Abt.z.b.V.12, Abteilung didn’t know the equipment
15 M15/42 (+5), 1 M41 and 5 M40 repairable in less than three weeks.
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« Reply #130 on: February 24, 2011, 04:15:02 pm »

1st April 1945: 18 M15/42 (+2), 1 M41, no M40, 8 Hetzer. Abteilung is engaged in north of Drava river.
Most of the tanks received from Skanderberg have been sent to workshop in Zagreb.
1945, May, Sentvid, Medvode near Ljubljana. Partisans captured a train with loaded vehicles belonged to Pz.Abt.202, the Abteilung retreated towards Austria in order to escape the Soviet troops and the Yugoslav partisans.
Stug M41 mit 75/18 850(i) with stowage bin on the rear deck instead of a fuel tank. Pz.Abt. 202 receive 9 italian armoured vehicles when SS StuG Batterie Skanderberg was disbanded in 1945, among them were 2 vehicles of this type, one combat ready and the other in repair.
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« Reply #131 on: February 24, 2011, 04:19:45 pm »

A evo sad to isto za Pz.Abt.z.b.V.12

1st October 1943: Kompanie was in Serbia and equipped only with French tanks with 13 R-35, 20 H-38 and 8 B-2 combat ready and more in reparation.
1st January 1944: All B2 has handed to 7.SS Prinz Eugen and received Italian tanks. The combat ready dotation was 13 R-35, 19 H-38, 1 L6, 12 L40, 4 M13/40, 3 autoblinda.
1st February 1944: The combat ready dotation was 14 R-35, 18 H-38, 1 L6, 16 L40, 2 M13/40, 3 autoblinda.
1st March 1944: the Kompanie became Abteilung, the unit received 43 M42 tanks.
The combat ready dotation was 15 R-35, 23 H-38, 1 L6, 10 L40, 3 M15/42, 3 autoblinda.
1st April 1944: The combat ready dotation was 12 R-35, 24 H-38,  11 L40, 1 M15/42, 6 autoblinda.
In Automn 1944, Pz.Abt.z.b.V.12.operated primarily in eastern Serbia, on the Bulgarian border, where 1.Gebirgsjäger Division kept the crossroad of Nis. Prinz Eugen replaced 1.Gebirgsjäger Division.
1st October 1944: The combat ready dotation was 6 R-35, 18 H-38,  4 L40, 33 M15/42, 3 autoblinda.
On 14 October morning, some Pz.Abt.z.b.V.12 tanks pierced to allow the garrison Nish out. Pursued by the Bulgarian, the tanks are finally scuttled.
On 1st November: Pz.Abt.z.b.V.12 have 15 M42, 8 H38 and 2 R35.
1st February 1945: The Abteilung was disbanded and transferred to Germany, gave to the others units the vehicles that were left.
1st March 1945: Its 4.Kompanie became part of Panzer-Abteilung 202.
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« Reply #132 on: February 24, 2011, 04:37:29 pm »

SS-Panzer-Abteilung 105 formed in October 1943 in Yugoslavia. This unit was part of the V-SS-Freiwilligen-Gebirgskorps and having seen action against the partisan in Bosnia and Croatia.
At the beginning of 1945, subordinated to the 9.Armee deployed along the Vistula river, the SS-Panzer Kompanie 105, which had 15 M Italian tanks, fought in the area of Frankfurt am Oder and retreated toward Berlin. Tanks had SS zeltbahn on the hatch.
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« Reply #133 on: February 24, 2011, 05:43:57 pm »

16.Polizei-Panzer Kompanie
 
Formed in june 1944. This company have two L40 and eight L3. Employed in Croatia and fought against partisans.

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Formed in October 1943. The I. Battalion saw action in Istria from the end of February 1944, forming a Panzerkraftwagen-Zug (armoured vehicles platoon) with one Lancia IZM, one AB41 and two L3/33 (one L3/33 and one L3/35), used for escort and reconnaissance.

CV33 from III Battaglione/ 31 Reggimento Carristi

 31 Reggimento Carristi is created on 15 july 1937. After further organic transformation, on 3 April 1939, the regiment is framed in the Armored Division "Centaur" and transferred to Albania in October 1939, fought in Greece in October 1940 and Yugoslavia on april 1941. Transfered to Montenegro in July 1941. In beginning of 1943, III Battaglione have 40 L3, some L3 lanciaflamme,  8 Fiat 3000 and some autoblinda. After the armistice of September 1943, parts of III Battaglione continued fighting with the germans. This unit was rarely used during the subsequent stay in Montenegro.
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« Reply #134 on: February 24, 2011, 05:56:18 pm »

Kolko su bre ovi njemci imali tenkova na nasem ratistu Huh?
Po nekim informacijama, na nasem tlu je unisteno ili zapljenjeno 928 tenkova.
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