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Author Topic: Sukobi u Palestini/Izraelu  (Read 470536 times)
 
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« Reply #1530 on: March 01, 2020, 12:09:53 pm »

Opet po starome, okolo kole, u nista...
Ugl. svi se slazemo da nemate nista sto ide vama dvojici u prilog jer da imate bilo sto to bi vec pokazali. Ajmo se sloziti da ste u krivu i zavrsiti s ovim
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« Reply #1531 on: March 01, 2020, 12:47:30 pm »

Opet po starome, okolo kole, u nista...
Ugl. svi se slazemo da nemate nista sto ide vama dvojici u prilog jer da imate bilo sto to bi vec pokazali. Ajmo se sloziti da ste u krivu i zavrsiti s ovim

Da parafraziram, ti se slažeš, da ja lažem, je li to to? Neće moći. Svrstavaj se ti koliko želiš među arapske propagandiste, imaš na to pravo, ali nemaš prava, da bežiš od posledica.
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« Reply #1532 on: March 01, 2020, 02:09:33 pm »

Znaci svoje misljenje zasnivas samo na svom misljenju a ne na stvarnosti i cinjenicama. Pa tako reci
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« Reply #1533 on: March 01, 2020, 04:10:51 pm »

Znaci svoje misljenje zasnivas samo na svom misljenju a ne na stvarnosti i cinjenicama. Pa tako reci

Upravo stvarnost i činjenice te demantuju. Najstvarnija stvarnost je, da tko gubi ima pravo da se ljuti, zar ne. Arapi su nebrojeno puta napali Izrael i izgubili, je li tako, tako je. Izrael ih je svaki puta vojno potukao (i opet će, kad god nasrnu). Stoga nikada i ni na koji način ne može bilo tko označiti onoga tko se brani kao zločinca. Ne ide, da ga hebeš.
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« Reply #1534 on: March 01, 2020, 04:35:34 pm »

Bas suprotno, stvarnost i cinjenice su na mojoj strani sto se ne moze reci za vas dvojicu
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« Reply #1535 on: March 01, 2020, 05:24:12 pm »

Opet po starome, okolo kole, u nista...
Ugl. svi se slazemo da nemate nista sto ide vama dvojici u prilog jer da imate bilo sto to bi vec pokazali. Ajmo se sloziti da ste u krivu i zavrsiti s ovim
Да си хтео да читаш и гледаш, могао си. Поставио сам ти пар примера како Арапи манипулишу фотографијама и шире лажне вести. Немам намеру да се такмичим са беспосленим Арапима који рециклирају фотографије на Интернету, а ти их преносиш.

Ево резултата Хамасовог ракетирања:

<iframe width="720" height="420" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/dc7TzSnafqk?fs=1&start=" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="true"></iframe>
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« Reply #1536 on: March 01, 2020, 05:33:10 pm »

I opet nema odgovora, naravno Smiley
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« Reply #1537 on: March 01, 2020, 05:36:01 pm »

I opet nema odgovora, naravno Smiley

I opet nema odgovora, naravno Smiley

Molim te analiziraj ovaj video i reci ko je tu zločinac - ovo troje povređene dece? To je jedan deo odgovora koji tražiš.
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« Reply #1538 on: March 01, 2020, 05:37:46 pm »

Ево шта Human Rights Watch каже о арапским ракетним нападима (односи се на нападе из 2012):

“Palestinian armed groups made clear in their statements that harming civilians was their aim,” said Sarah Leah Whitson, Middle East director at Human Rights Watch. “There is simply no legal justification for launching rockets at populated areas.”

Human Rights Watch research in Gaza found that armed groups repeatedly fired rockets from densely populated areas, near homes, businesses, and a hotel, unnecessarily placing civilians in the vicinity at grave risk from Israeli counter-fire.

Human Rights Watch has not been able to identify any instances in November in which a Palestinian armed group warned civilians to evacuate an area before a rocket launch.

Some rockets launched by Palestinian armed groups fell short and struck inside Gaza. On November 16, a rocket that appears to have been launched from within Gaza hit a crowded street in the Gazan town of Jabalya, killing a man, 23, and a boy, 4, and wounding five people.

Human Rights Watch has repeatedly condemned indiscriminate rocket attacks on Israeli population centers, as well as Hamas' failure to hold anyone accountable for those attacks. Human Rights Watch reiterated those condemnations.

Цео текст: https://www.hrw.org/news/2012/12/24/gaza-palestinian-rockets-unlawfully-targeted-israeli-civilians

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« Reply #1539 on: March 01, 2020, 05:43:37 pm »

Директорка  Human Rights Watch за Блиски Исток говори о карактеру арапских ракетних напада:
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« Reply #1540 on: March 01, 2020, 05:54:17 pm »

Тек толико да се виде и фотографије са друге стране, са једном битном разликом. Ни једна од њих није снимљена у близини положаја или инсталација израелске армије, него у насељеним местима. На трећој фотографији је предшколска установа:






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« Reply #1541 on: March 01, 2020, 06:13:12 pm »

Ево извештаја Amnesty International из 2014 и текста који је BBC објавио о томе.

Rocket and mortar attacks by Palestinian armed groups during the 2014 Gaza/Israel conflict provides evidence that several attacks launched from inside the Gaza Strip amount to war crimes. Six civilians in Israel, including a four-year-old boy, were killed in such attacks during the 50-day conflict. In the deadliest incident believed to have been caused by a Palestinian attack, 11 children were among 13 Palestinian civilians killed when a projectile fired from within the Gaza Strip landed in the al-Shati refugee camp.

"Palestinian armed groups, including the armed wing of Hamas, repeatedly launched unlawful attacks during the conflict," said Amnesty's Middle East and North Africa director, Philip Luther.

Amnesty's report also detailed other violations of international humanitarian law by Palestinian groups during the conflict, such as storing rockets and other munitions in civilian buildings, including UN schools, and cases where armed groups launched attacks or stored munitions very near locations where hundreds of civilians were sheltering.

Unlike Hamas, Israel is vigorously investigating its conduct, aiming to draw lessons and minimise civilian harm. Meanwhile, Hamas continues to incite terror attacks against Israeli civilians, boasts of building new cross-border assault tunnels and test-fires rockets, in preparation for further violence against Israelis.”

Чланак BBC са скраћеном верзијом и фотографијама: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-32053999
Цео текст: https://www.amnesty.org/en/press-releases/2015/03/palestinian-armed-groups-killed-civilians-on-both-sides-in-attacks-amounting-to-war-crimes-during-2014-gaza-conflict/
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« Reply #1542 on: March 01, 2020, 06:26:14 pm »

Za mene su sve nevine zrtve, zrtve bez obzira na sve. Ali koliko je ranjenih i ubijenih Palestinaca u odnosu na Izraelske zrtve, koliko je Palestinskih domova unisteno u odnosu na Izraelske, koliko je bombaskih i raketnih napada izvedeno od strane Palestinaca a koliko topnickih, zrakoplovnih i svih ostalih mogucih bombardiranja od strane Izraelaca, u kakvim uvjetima i di zive Palestinci u odnosu na Izraelce........?

Vaz dvojica, u nedostatku dokaza, koristite taktiku "zamagljivanja". Kad ne mozete odgovoriti, jer jednostavno ne postoje dokazi koji opravdavaju zlocinacko ponasanje Izraela, vi postavljate neka potpuno iskrivljena pitanja kojima je za cilj minjanje teme.
Ove tvoje slike su isto kao kad bi netko pokazao ranjene njemacke vojnike u Varsavskom ustanku 1944. i onda da po tim slikama opravdava ugnjetavanje i porobljavanje.
Niste dorasli za raspravu jer uopce ne prilazete stvarne cinjenice vec cilu raspravu vodite na temelju osobnih simpatija. Nicim niste dokazali da zrtva nije postala zlocinac.


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« Reply #1543 on: March 01, 2020, 06:30:24 pm »

Prva stvar BBC nije nazavisan izvor, druga stvar spominje se nekakvo istrazivanje incidenta ali se ne spominje koliko toga se istrazilo i kaznilo
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« Reply #1544 on: March 01, 2020, 06:42:20 pm »

Ove tvoje slike su isto kao kad bi netko pokazao ranjene njemacke vojnike u Varsavskom ustanku 1944. i onda da po tim slikama opravdava ugnjetavanje i porobljavanje.

Погледај још једном фотографије које сам поставио, а на којима нема ни једног војника. Можда онда схватиш какву си глупост написао.
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