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Title: Otklanjanje opasnosti od minobacačke vatre
Post by: Rade on September 28, 2008, 02:35:50 pm
28.09.2008.

Nemačka je spremna da započne proizvodnju C-RAM (Counter-Rocket, Artillery and Mortar) sistema Skyshield 35 kako bi ga sledeće godine otpremili za Avganistan. Sistem se sastoji od dva topa kalibra 35 mm, svaki sa po 228 metaka) i radara. Sistem je automatski, slično američkom sistemu poslednje odbrane 20 mm Phalanx. Meta (artiljerijski, minobacački projektil, te projektili iz vazduha) bivaju primećeni radarom, nakon čega reaguje jedan od topova 35mm.

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Title: Re: Otklanjanje opasnosti od minobacačke vatre
Post by: Brok on September 28, 2008, 02:42:11 pm
Znači ako sam dobro razumeo, ovo oružje bi trebalo da uništi minobacački projektil još dok je u letu. Ako je tako, stvarno dobra stvarčica.


Title: Re: Otklanjanje opasnosti od minobacačke vatre
Post by: Rade on September 28, 2008, 02:50:09 pm
Minobacački projektil, artiljerijski projektil, raketLu....


Title: Re: Otklanjanje opasnosti od minobacačke vatre
Post by: Rade on September 28, 2008, 03:04:45 pm
Sa testiranja...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Boal24zzEm4


Title: Re: Otklanjanje opasnosti od minobacačke vatre
Post by: vathra on September 28, 2008, 03:27:48 pm
Amerikanci već koriste sistem C-RAM, na osnovi Phalanx sistema.
Na Youtube ima videa sa testiranjem, kao i sa borbenom primenom.

Za sistem od 35mm mi nije jasna jedna stvar:
Da bi onesposobio minu ili granatu, potreban je direktan pogodak. Ovaj sistem verovatno ima manju brzinu gađanja od C-RAM, pa je potreban veća preciznost ili više vremena da bi se ostvario pogodak. Na snimcima gađanja C-RAM-a se vidi da prođe nekoliko sekundi dok se ne pogodi mina.


Title: Re: Otklanjanje opasnosti od minobacačke vatre
Post by: Bane on September 28, 2008, 03:29:42 pm
Da ne bi bilo zabune, Skyshield 35 je sistem za borbu protiv bespilotnih letelica, što se vidi i u klipu koji je Rade postavio.
Pomenuti sistem C-RAM ima oznaku NBS, i treba da nastane na osnovu iskustava sa Skyshield-om 35. Mislim da je proizvođač Rajnmetal najavio prvo prikazivanje ovog sistema pred kraj 2009. godine, što sigurno znači da će sistem znatno ranije biti na testiranju u Avganistanu.


Title: Re: Otklanjanje opasnosti od minobacačke vatre
Post by: Rade on September 28, 2008, 03:31:26 pm
Pri kraju klipa prikazana je prezentacija muicije...


Title: Re: Otklanjanje opasnosti od minobacačke vatre
Post by: Rade on September 28, 2008, 03:33:46 pm
Evo i cele vesti:

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The German Cure For The Mortar Disease

September 28, 2008: Germany is ready to begin producing its Skyshield 35 C-RAM system (Counter-Rocket, Artillery and Mortar), and get it to Afghanistan next year. Skyshield 35 C-RAM  consists of two 35mm guns (each with 228 rounds of ammo) and a radar. It operates automatically, much like the U.S. 20mm Phalanx system.) Each target (an incoming mortar round) is spotted by the radar, which then points one of the guns in the right direction and fires off 10-12 rounds, which intercept the incoming shells with airbursts of fragments which cause the mortar shells to miss their target.

The U.S. C-RAM is a version of the Phalanx, designed to protect large bases from mortar and rocket attack. The original Phalanx was a 20mm cannon designed to defend American warships against anti-ship missiles. Phalanx does this by using a radar that immediately starts firing at any incoming missile it detects. The C-RAM system has its software modified to detect smaller objects (like 82mm mortar shells). This came about when it was discovered that the original Phalanx could take out incoming 155mm artillery shells. This capability is what led to C-RAM. 

Other modifications include linking Phalanx to the Lightweight Counter Mortar Radar and Q-36 Target Acquisition Radar. When these radars detect incoming fire, C-RAM points toward the incoming objects and prepares to fire at anything that comes within range (about 2,000 meters) of its cannon. C-RAM uses high explosive 20mm shells, that detonate near the target, spraying it with fragments. By the time these fragments reach the ground, they are generally too small to injure anyone. The original Phalanx used 20mm depleted uranium shells, to slice through incoming missiles. Phalanx fires shells at the rate of 75 per second. Another advantage of C-RAM, is that it makes a distinctive noise when firing, warning people nearby that a mortar or rocket attack is underway, giving people an opportunity to duck inside if they are out and about.

The first U.S. C-RAM was sent to Iraq in 2006, to protect the Green Zone (the large area in Baghdad turned into an American base). It was found that C-RAM could knock down 70-80 percent of the rockets and mortar shells fired within range of its cannon. It took about a year to develop C-RAM, and another version, using a high-powered laser, instead of the 20mm gun, is in development.


Title: Re: Otklanjanje opasnosti od minobacačke vatre
Post by: Bane on September 28, 2008, 06:12:19 pm
Na ovom linku (http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blogs/defense/index.jsp?plckController=Blog&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3A27ec4a53-dcc8-42d0-bd3a-01329aef79a7Post%3A761de300-2428-4640-9fa6-4ff3aba9c04e) ima i slika kako će izgledati novi sistem...


Title: Re: Otklanjanje opasnosti od minobacačke vatre
Post by: Koja on October 31, 2008, 10:04:33 pm
podela kalibara PA orudja je odavno zastarela. Zapravo laku PA cine orudja 20, 23, 25 i 30mm sa zajednickom karakteristikom da im je zbog male granate nemoguce ugradidti blizinski upaljac a da se time znatno ne smanji njen energetski potencijal na terminalu.
Granate 40mm nemaju tih problema i od njih pocinje visa kategorija koja osim 40 obuhvata i 57 i 76 orudja.
Vrsna kategorija su topovi od 100mm pa nadalje. Vecina ovih stvri se susrece danas samo na brodovima.
Kalibar 35 mm je granicni izmedju dve klase. Da bi ga usavrsili jos pre nekoliko godina Svajcarci su smislili sitem koji tempira granatu dok se ona krece kroz cev. Tako ona ne deluje udarnim upaljacem
vec se rasprsne po vremenskoj komandi. Granata je napunjena sa znacajnim brojem volframskih kockica koje daju njenom dejstvu ovlik sacme. Ali time je dobijen mnogo manji uredjaj koji je manji od blizinskog upaljaca i ne smanjuje mnog korisnu zapreminu projjektila. Dejstvo na cilju je slicno staroj granti tipa GRANATSHARPNEL koja se ne koristi od I Sv. rata (ona je naravno imala rucno tempiranje)
Ako je ovaj sistem razvijen do upotrebljivosti eto odgovora zasto su se nemci opredelili za ovaj kalibar u jednoj kopnenoj verziji takvog CIWS antiminobacackog uredjaja.