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« Reply #645 on: May 23, 2012, 11:46:52 pm » |
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What is the difference between:
rashod (22501 rashod 10.1970) udes (22516 udes 07.1965) otpis (22527 otpis 1974 godine) katastrofa (22510 katastrofa 03.05.1969)
rashod (22501 rashod 10.1970) means written off from registry udes (22516 udes 07.1965) means crashed, without fatalities otpis (22527 otpis 1974 godine) means written off from registry and free for scrapyard ( same as RASHOD) katastrofa (22510 katastrofa 03.05.1969) means crashed, crew killed
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« Reply #646 on: May 24, 2012, 06:24:37 am » |
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What is the difference between:
rashod (22501 rashod 10.1970) udes (22516 udes 07.1965) otpis (22527 otpis 1974 godine) katastrofa (22510 katastrofa 03.05.1969)
rashod (22501 rashod 10.1970) means written off from registry udes (22516 udes 07.1965) means crashed, without fatalities otpis (22527 otpis 1974 godine) means written off from registry and free for scrapyard ( same as RASHOD) katastrofa (22510 katastrofa 03.05.1969) means crashed, crew killed Thanks! I will use in my database: Udes -> W/O = Written off (pilot ok) Katastrofa --> W/O = Written off (pilot killed) Rashod --> SOC = Struck Off Charge Otpis --> SOC = Struck Off Charge Regards, Jeroen Nijmeijer Holland
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« Reply #647 on: May 24, 2012, 10:16:07 am » |
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I will use in my database: Udes -> W/O = Written off (pilot ok) Katastrofa --> W/O = Written off (pilot killed) Rashod --> SOC = Struck Off Charge Otpis --> SOC = Struck Off Charge
Regards, Jeroen Nijmeijer Holland
Udes is better translated as 'Accident' because it does not denote that the plane is a W/O or DBR. After the 'udes' the plane can in some cases be repaired .... In any case Jeroen welcome to this forum .... Vojo (Vojislav Jereb)
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« Reply #648 on: May 25, 2012, 05:31:18 pm » |
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I encounter some problems with the final JRV MiG-21F-13 c/ns:
741706 JRV 22534 or East Germany s/n 701 741707 JRV 22535 or East Germany s/n 705 741708 JRV 22536 or East Germany s/n 790 741709 JRV 22537 or East Germany s/n 618 741710 JRV 22540 or Romania s/n 10
Thanks in advance.
Greetings,
Johan van der Wei
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« Reply #649 on: May 25, 2012, 11:14:21 pm » |
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I encounter some problems with the final JRV MiG-21F-13 c/ns:
741706 JRV 22534 or East Germany s/n 701 741707 JRV 22535 or East Germany s/n 705 741708 JRV 22536 or East Germany s/n 790 741709 JRV 22537 or East Germany s/n 618 741710 JRV 22540 or Romania s/n 10
Thanks in advance.
Greetings,
Johan van der Wei
Hi Johan, Built in Gorky by late 1961, delivered in early 1962 (zavod nr. 21) C/n S/n Country 741706 701 Germany, East 741707 705 Germany, East 741708 790 Germany, East 741709 618 Germany, East 741710 10 Romania |
Built in Moscow in mid 1964, delivered in late 1964 (zavod nr. 30) C/n S/n Country 1706 22534 Yugoslavia 1707 22535 Yugoslavia 1708 22536 Yugoslavia 1709 22537 Yugoslavia 1710 22540 Yugoslavia |
Regards, Jeroen Nijmeijer Holland
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« Reply #650 on: June 02, 2012, 08:11:49 am » |
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The following information is based on what little evidence about the MiG-21 in service with the Zaire (now DR Congo) air force is available.
In late 1996, four MiG-21PFMs and a dual MiG-21 (as well as 3 J-21 and 1 NJ-21) were supplied to Zaire (Mobutu’s regime) from Serbia. These aircraft were left in various stages of re-assembly at Gbadolite AB, where they remained ever since. These MiGs did not receive any markings and were never flown.
A group of Russian or Ukrainian technicians was tasked to assemble the MiG-21s (arrived in kit form). Whatever the reason, this work was never completed, tail sections were not installed and they were abandoned on the spot, remaining in this condition and slowly deteriorating to this day (the Jastrebs were successfully assembled and flown, but no clear details of their use have emerged).
Any additional information to this topic (serials etc.), including eventual corrections, would be most welcome.
Regards, Jeroen Nijmeijer Holland
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« Reply #651 on: June 02, 2012, 08:18:40 am » |
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Hello,
Could someone upload a list of all known Yugoslav/Serbian AF MiG-21 crashes?
Regards, Jeroen Nijmeijer Holland
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« Reply #652 on: June 02, 2012, 03:10:38 pm » |
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Dear Jeroen,
there are no confirmations on Serbian Mig-21s in Zaire. There were only three Jastrebs sold and send in spring 1997. They were operated from Gbadolite, trough out the year by the Serbian pilots.
Bojan
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« Reply #653 on: June 03, 2012, 09:49:34 am » |
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Two small corrections (two typo errors?) 16173 c/n 516909157 del 10.04.1979 C/n should be 5169 99157 16179 c/n 516999393 del 11.12.1981 C/n should be 5169993 83 C/n 516999393 is an ex SovAF MiG-21UM, nowdays flying in an African country Regards, Jeroen Nijmeijer Holland
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« Reply #654 on: June 03, 2012, 03:18:36 pm » |
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16173 c/n 516909157 del 10.04.1979
C/n should be 516999157
We have data that this aircraf ( 16173) C/n is 516909157 16179 c/n 516999393 del 11.12.1981
C/n should be 516999383 C/n 516999393 is an ex SovAF MiG-21UM, nowdays flying in an African country
This is typing error...
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« Reply #655 on: June 03, 2012, 07:57:30 pm » |
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16173 c/n 516909157 del 10.04.1979
C/n should be 516999157
We have data that this aircraft ( 16173) C/n is 516909157 516909157 is not a regular MiG-21UM c/n, whereas c/n 516999157 fits nicely into the third c/n system used by the MiG-21UM, i.e. series 5169 99101 through 51 69 99513 (at least) Please note also that c/n 516999157 is in the vicinity of the c/ns listed for JRV MiG-21UMs s/n 16174 through 16178. As 16173 through 16178 are all having the same d/d, it would sound logical their c/ns should be close to each other as well. Regards, Johan van der Wei
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« Reply #656 on: June 04, 2012, 10:28:52 am » |
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Pozdrav kolege. Sa pažnjom sam pratio diskusiju u poslednjih nekoliko dana i veoma mi je drago da su se priključili i prijatelji iz Holandije. Međutim, po mom skoromnom sudu diskutabilan je samo 1 (JEDAN) fabrički broj za MiG-21UM u RV i PVO i to za 16160. Zašto? 16160 - c/n 516997001 je primljen zajedno sa 16157-16160 12.04.1978. prvi sledeći je 16171 - c/n 516999011 30.05.1978. Već sama razlika između 16160 i 16171 je dovoljna za posebnu priču, ali to sada nije tema.
Ja sam do sada uspeo da identifikujem 3 (TRI) sistema označavanja MiG-21UM
PRVI sistem xx695153 do xx695175 gde xx ide 01, 02, 03, do 10. Primeri: 02695156 - DDR / 256 / DE / 23+77 08695157 - PL / 5709 d.d. 1971. 01065158 - HU / 0158 d.d. 1971. 04695158 - YU / 22955 d.d. 27.08.1971. - gde se ovaj avion kod nas vodi kao US (?!)
DRUGI sistem 5169xxxyy do 5169950xx gde yyy ide od 010 do 950 sa preskocima od dvadeset (030, 050, 070, do 950), xx ide 01,06, 11, 16, do 96 sa upotrebim brojeva 1 i 6 kao poslednji. Primeri: 516903026 - RO / 6926 d.d. 06.07.1973. 516905006 - PL / 5006 516915011 - DDR / 231 / DE / 23+82 516917006 - Finska MK-105 d.d. 06.1974. 516939041 - BG / 14 516995096 - YU / 16159 d.d. 12.04.1978. - kao poslednja moguća kombinacija ovog sistema
TREĆI sistem - verovatno od 1979. godine pa do kraja proizvodnje. 516999001 do 516999513 (mada kolege iz Holandije navode 516999101) vidimo da to i nije tako kada imamo 16160 /c/n 516999011 i 16161 / c/n 516999016.
Iz svega navedenog mislim da 16160 NIJE c/n 516997001 zbog 7001 već bi eventualno mogao da bude 516999001 pošto je 516979001 Bugarski 38.
Ako analiziramo, Prvi sistem dodeljivanja c/n omogućava 23 serije po 10 aviona ukupno 230 aviona, Drugi sistem dodeljivanja c/n 48 serija po 20 aviona ukupno 960 aviona i Treći sistem ako je išao redom od 001 do 513 je još 513 aviona. Što omogućava ukupno 1703 c/n , a proizvodnja je iznosila 1.133 aviona. Ostaje dakle razlika od 570 mogućih c/n.
Toliko od mene, nadam se da nisam preterao.
P.S. Ako je neko voljan da prevodi na Engleski, slobodno. Trenutno nemam vremena.
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« Reply #657 on: June 04, 2012, 10:53:03 am » |
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ТНТ
не постоји 16161.
516999016 је 16172.
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« Reply #658 on: June 04, 2012, 12:29:41 pm » |
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Moja greška, u kucanju. Zixo, u pravu si kao i uvek (u kritici). 16172 (ne 16161) / c/n 516999016. TNT024
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« Reply #659 on: June 04, 2012, 05:37:18 pm » |
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Ispravka, da ne bude zabune. 16171 /c/n 516999011 i 161172 / c/n 516999016.
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