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Ratna mornarica => Operativa => Topic started by: Dreadnought on October 02, 2009, 05:14:02 pm

Title: Male torpiljarke
Post by: Dreadnought on October 02, 2009, 05:14:02 pm

Stari torpiljeri na vezu .... Prvo u Zadru.

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I samo za brodarskog .... u Šibeniku 1910 godine ;)

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Post by: brodarski on May 18, 2010, 06:25:59 pm

Male torpiljarke.

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Post by: jadran2 on October 15, 2010, 10:02:44 pm

grupa obalskih torpednih camaca tipa Elbing ili Kukuk
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Post by: ML on October 31, 2010, 11:25:29 am

Torpedni čamci u Puli[attachment=1]

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Post by: MOTORISTA on October 31, 2010, 11:28:49 am

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Post by: ML on October 31, 2010, 12:12:33 pm

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Post by: ML on November 04, 2010, 08:57:00 pm

Torpedni čamci u Trstu[attachment=1]

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Post by: ML on November 16, 2010, 07:52:07 pm

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Post by: ML on November 16, 2010, 08:29:09 pm

Grupa Rijeka[attachment=1][attachment=2]

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Post by: ML on November 16, 2010, 08:31:29 pm

Tip Cobra No 13-16[attachment=1][attachment=2]

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Post by: ML on November 16, 2010, 08:44:56 pm

Torpiljarke van klase, izgrađen po jedan brod.[attachment=1][attachment=2][attachment=3]

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Post by: ML on November 16, 2010, 09:19:42 pm

Schichau klasa 78t
Grupa Sperber A-U mornarica 1885g. naručila je dva broda u brodogradilištu Schichau u Elbingu: Sperber i Habicht. Ovaj uspiješan tip se nastavio gradit u pulskom Arsenalu( još 8 brodova). Oznake su od No 31-40.[attachment=1][attachment=2][attachment=3][attachment=4][attachment=5]

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Post by: ML on November 16, 2010, 09:41:26 pm

A-U mornarica je posle uspješne grupe Sperber, naručila još pet torpiljarki u brodogradilištu Schichau (1891).Izvana su bili veoma slični, ali su imali jače motore i veću brzin. Imali su i jednu torpednu cijev više. U brodogradilištu u Trstu je izgrađeno još 6 brodova, a u Arsenalu u Puli jedan. Imali su brojeve No 19-30.[attachment=1][attachment=2][attachment=3][attachment=4][attachment=5]

Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: Dreadnought on February 07, 2011, 11:59:18 am

Razglednica napravljena 1900. godine.

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Post by: jadran2 on February 07, 2011, 02:07:43 pm

Tb 13
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Post by: marinero on May 03, 2011, 04:30:28 pm

Od mene jedan lijepi "Orao".

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Post by: ML on July 05, 2011, 05:45:37 pm

N-5 u Portorožu, izgleda da su vodili računa i o turizmu.[attachment=1]

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Post by: ML on August 10, 2011, 07:03:56 pm

Quote from: marinero on May 03, 2011, 04:30:28 pm

Od mene jedan lijepi "Orao".

Torpiljarke Adler i Falke(Tb 41 i 42), klase Adler su izgrađene u Yarrow & Company, Limited, Poplare, porinuti 1885, u flotu preuzeti 1886, oba otpisana 1911g.
Adler je od 1906 do 1911 školski brod za torpednu školu.
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Na pramcu se vidi dodatno pramčano kormilo, 90-tih su ugrađivali pramčana kormila radi poboljšanja manevarskih svojstava.

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Post by: ML on August 11, 2011, 08:01:15 pm

TB-11 izgrađen 1910 u "Ganz & Co - Danubius",Rijeka,deplasmana 131 tonu,brzina 28 čvorova,naoružanje se sastojalo od dvije torpedne cijevi, topova 2x 47 i mitraljeza. Bazirala je u Šibeniku.Ova torpiljarka je poznata po pobuni. Pobuna je izbila uglavnom zbog tiranskog ponašanja zapovijednika Heinrich von Simmel-a, koji je važio za mizantropa, svoj bijes je često izljevao nad posadom, posebice jer su tu bile prisutne i frustacije zbog dugog boravka na brodu, bez pomaknuća, drugi zapovjednici su se rotirali na dužnostima, odlazili na usavršavanja , dok je on dugo godina bio vezan na Tb 11. Naročito je bio netrpeljiv prema dijelu posade slavenskog porijekla.
Pobuna se dogodila nakon detaljne pripreme 5. oktobra 1917,vezan je zapovijednik njegov zamijenik i članovi posade koji bi mogli praviti probleme. Tog dana je Tb 11 trebala isploviti na zadatak sa podmornicom U 25. Isplovila je sat ranije od predviđenog, ali to kod nikoga nije izazvalo sumnju. Zapravo svi članovi posade nisu ni znali za pobunu, a odsustvo zapoovijednika i zamijenika im je objašnjeno, kao do kasno su bili u Admiralitetu i ljudi legli da odspavaju. Pravo objašnjenje je stiglo tek na pola puta prema Anconi, međutim niko nije interveisao protiv pobunjenika, nekako su se pomirili da kraj rata dočekaju u zarobljeništvu.
Planirano je da dignu bijelu zastavu ispred Ancone i pozovu pilota, kako bi ih preveo preko minskih polja. Talijani su se uplašili da je riječ o prevari i niko nije došao do broda. Vidjevši da se tu ne mogu predati, odlučili su da odplove do obližnjeg ribarskog mijesta Porto Recanati, gdje su se posle niza komičnih situacija ipak uspjeli predati, pre svega zahvaljujući članu posade koji je bio italijanskog porijekla i dobro je govorio italijanski.
Kasnije je Tb 11 promijenio ime i kao Francesco Risomundo uključen u Regia Marinu.
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Post by: marinero on August 13, 2011, 03:25:20 pm

Quote from: ML on August 10, 2011, 07:03:56 pm

Quote from: marinero on May 03, 2011, 04:30:28 pm

Od mene jedan lijepi "Orao".

Nije ni cudo sto su morali dodavati malo kormilo na pramcu kada mu se na krmi list kormila nalazi ispred propelera- za ocekivati je da takva koncepcija daje losije manevarske karakteristike.

Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: ML on September 10, 2011, 08:12:03 pm

Ove torpiljarke sam postavio na kvizu, ali mislim da im je mjesto ovde.
Tb IV, izgrađena u "Yarrow & Co",Poplare, u floti od 1879, brisana sa flotne liste 1904, a 1905 izrezana.
Druga slika je Tb VI izgrađena u Arsenalu u Puli 1980g, izrezana 1905[attachment=1][attachment=2]

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Post by: ML on December 09, 2011, 07:21:43 pm

Elster 1988g.
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Post by: ML on December 09, 2011, 07:34:20 pm

Sperber 1884 i Nutter 1896 i prethodni tip, izgrađeni su u Elbingu.[attachment=1][attachment=2]

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Post by: jadran2 on December 21, 2011, 02:50:16 pm

nadam se da ova fotografija spada pod ovaj topik

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Post by: jadran2 on December 21, 2011, 04:12:52 pm

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Post by: jadran2 on December 21, 2011, 08:21:31 pm

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Post by: jadran2 on March 16, 2012, 08:00:20 pm

u Castelnuovu/Hercegnovom

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Post by: brodarski on April 22, 2012, 08:19:07 pm

Ovu razglednicu još nismo imali prilike vidjeti.

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Post by: jadran2 on April 25, 2012, 01:59:14 pm

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Post by: jadran2 on May 28, 2012, 07:24:54 pm

SM Torpedoboot 53 - Krokodil
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Post by: ML on May 28, 2012, 07:49:29 pm

Krokodil je tip Kaiman, torpiljarka otvorenog mora, tako smo je već svrstali (210T)[attachment=1][attachment=2]

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Post by: Illich on July 02, 2012, 07:17:01 pm

Krma Tb klas 110- t ?

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Post by: Illich on July 06, 2012, 02:18:32 pm

Talijanska torpiljarka "Francesco Rismondo" (ex - Austro-Ugarske "Tb-XI") :

Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: Akagi77 on July 07, 2012, 12:58:41 pm

To je ona koja je prebjegla neprijatelju.

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Post by: jadran2 on July 24, 2012, 08:30:56 pm

Malo sam napravio nereda sa "Krokodilom", ali cu nastojati to popraviti postavljanjem tabele vidjene ocima Artura Lengnicka K.U.K. Linienschiffsleutnanta publicirane u knjizi Unsere Wehrmacht zur See (Nasa vojna sila na moru), publicirane 1904. u Becu. Kako je tu prikazano, tako je i izvrsena klasifikacija tih torpednih camaca.

Torpednim brodovima (Torpedofahrzeuge), autor naziva brodove : "Magnet", "Satellit", "Trabant", "Planet", "Komet" i "Blitz", Meteor".

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Post by: jadran2 on July 24, 2012, 10:07:50 pm

Torpedni camac od 95 tona, "Adler" ili "Falke"

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Post by: Akagi77 on August 23, 2012, 09:23:07 pm

E sad, nomenklatura: Austrijanci su imali cijelu "menazeriju": najvece su bile torpedne krstarice (PANTHER, LEOPARD, TIGER), zatim torpedni brodovi (nesto izmedju krstarice i razaraca, vise jahte s torpedima, konkretno brodovi ZARA, SPALATO, SEBENICO i LUSSIN), zatim torpedna vozila (plovila), tj. razaraci (SATALLIT, PLANET, MAGNET i sl., zatim HUSZAR i TATRA), a konacno torpedni "camci" oliti torpiljarke.

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Post by: jadran2 on September 21, 2012, 04:08:15 pm

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Post by: marinero on October 02, 2012, 10:11:38 pm

Tb 25 i Tb 31.

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Post by: MOTORISTA on October 03, 2012, 08:29:27 am

Torpiljarke u gradnji.

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Post by: jadran2 on October 05, 2012, 04:23:13 pm

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Post by: marinero on October 29, 2012, 03:57:50 pm

Tb 12.

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Post by: brodarski on October 29, 2012, 04:58:36 pm

Na TB 13 mornar skroz desno nosi čizme. Na austrijskim brodovima u staro doba ukrcani na brod dužili su čizme. Kasnije je ta praksa odbačena i mornarica je dužila cipele. Šumonja kao komandant JRM uveo je čizme za mornare i bio napadnut sa svih strana.

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Post by: jadran2 on October 29, 2012, 06:08:51 pm

Kojim se to uskim prolazom provlaci "Sekraeter"?
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Post by: brodarski on October 29, 2012, 06:31:04 pm

Sjeverni Jadran, Tagliamento?

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Post by: jadran2 on November 13, 2012, 04:43:29 pm

Lice na torpedne camce II klase od 47 tona.
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Post by: brodarski on November 24, 2012, 06:48:17 pm

Još jedna mala.

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Post by: jadran2 on March 21, 2013, 12:13:41 pm

detalj
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Post by: jadran2 on April 09, 2013, 04:02:13 pm

Tb 10 odavno je nestao, ali tu je traka s mornarske kape.
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Post by: jadran2 on April 13, 2013, 04:34:26 pm

Mozda Tb1
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Post by: marinero on April 17, 2013, 05:51:10 pm

Porinuce SMS "Kaiman".

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Post by: marinero on April 17, 2013, 05:55:14 pm

Isplovljavanje u napad na Ankonu.

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Post by: jadran2 on April 20, 2013, 10:26:09 pm

Tb XIX (torpedni camac II klase) u teglju.
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Post by: jadran2 on April 28, 2013, 11:29:24 am

Valovi se razvili, ali to Tb XVII ne smeta.
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Post by: MOTORISTA on May 04, 2013, 06:07:35 pm

Jedan Tb kod Dubrovnika, ali ne znam koji.

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Post by: jadran2 on May 11, 2013, 05:52:41 pm

Jedan Tb II klase
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Post by: jadran2 on May 11, 2013, 07:03:12 pm

"13" se dobro razaznaje
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suse se maje i duge gace -ima dobrog vjetra; nasi kolege iz Boke ce znati koji je vjetar.

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Post by: jadran2 on May 14, 2013, 02:05:31 pm

Evo Tb19 ex "Kibitz" u doku u Sibeniku; u flotnu listu uvrsten 1.7.1892. Tip "Schichau". Snimljen, po podacima na poledjini fotografije u ovom mjesecu 1917. godine.
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Nisam poznavalac Boke, ali mi se cini da bi po pozadini, prije bilo to mjesto (?)

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Post by: jadran2 on May 14, 2013, 05:10:43 pm

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i nize, vjerojatno XXXIX
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Post by: marinero on May 14, 2013, 05:14:29 pm

Ova prva fotka je impresivna! Vidim da se nisu puno plasili teorije fluida, Venturijevog efekta i slicnih zakona fizike!

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Post by: brodarski on May 14, 2013, 05:38:47 pm

Nisam znao da je 1917. bio dok u Šibeniku.

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Post by: jadran2 on May 14, 2013, 05:59:45 pm

Quote from: brodarski on May 14, 2013, 05:38:47 pm

Nisam znao da je 1917. bio dok u Šibeniku.

Na poledjini stoji "Sebenico", ali nece nas Palubarce tako lako preveslati - ona padina iza doka me podsjeca na pdmornickim fotografijama na dio Boke ?
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evo te poledjine fotografije - cekaju se Marinero, Kumbor, Oricareb i ostali poznavatelji mjesnosti (za pogled preko doka)......
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Post by: brodarski on May 14, 2013, 07:18:11 pm

Brodovi koji su oštećeni tijekom rata u srednjem Jadranu tegljeni su na dokovanje u Pulu. U Šibeniku tada nije bilo doka za torpiljarkea kamoli za neke veće brodove.

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Post by: marinero on May 15, 2013, 02:41:49 pm

Linija brda koje se nazire u daljini iza doka na spornoj fotografiji meni ne lici ni na sto poznatoga iz Boke Kotorske, ali ajde da sacekamo i ostale da cujemo sto oni misle....

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Post by: kumbor on May 15, 2013, 03:04:40 pm

Quote from: marinero on May 15, 2013, 02:41:49 pm

Linija brda koje se nazire u daljini iza doka na spornoj fotografiji meni ne lici ni na sto poznatoga iz Boke Kotorske, ali ajde da sacekamo i ostale da cujemo sto oni misle....

Nekako baš mi i ne liči na Boku iz bilo koje vizure.

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Post by: jadran2 on June 08, 2013, 10:02:58 pm

Da, onda ostaje pitanje gdje je taj dok......
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Jos nekoliko brodova pod ovim topikom

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Post by: brodarski on June 08, 2013, 10:12:47 pm

Quote from: jadran2 on May 14, 2013, 02:05:31 pm

Ipak je Šibenik. Orijentir najviši vrh u kanalu svetog Ante u pozadini. Subočice doku uvala Panikovac. Vidi se rt od Paklene prema ulazu u Panikovac.
Tko može sve znati?

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Post by: jadran2 on June 08, 2013, 10:38:51 pm

Eto :klap :klap :klap

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Post by: zpetrov9 on June 10, 2013, 02:05:49 pm

Quote from: ML on August 11, 2011, 08:01:15 pm

Bilo bi zanimljivo saznati kakav je tretman Talijana bio prema pobunjenim mornarima
ali i prema oficirima koji su prinudno dovedeni u zarobljeništvo.

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Post by: jadran2 on July 08, 2013, 07:23:29 pm

Tko je htio mogao se prikljuciti talijanskoj vojsci, a tko nije, bio je interniran.

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Post by: jadran2 on July 08, 2013, 07:24:53 pm

U mirnodopsko vrijeme na kvarnerskoj rivijeri uvijek je lijepo.
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Post by: MOTORISTA on October 01, 2013, 08:58:19 pm

Tb15

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Post by: marinero on October 03, 2013, 02:11:03 pm

Ova fotka mi je sada odlican slagvort da postavim pitanje koje me vec duze vremena muci - kako ni na jednoj od fotki usidrenih AU brodova, bilo u Boki, bilo u Puli, nema ni najmanje dima da izlazi iz dimnjaka, a logika stvari je da je morao biti potpaljen barem jedan kotao kako bi turbogeneratori ili stapni parni strojevi proizvodili struju za usidreni (za plutacu vezan) brod ? Brodov koji su u dezurstvu, morali bi uz to, biti i parospremni za isplovljnje u najkrace vrijeme, a dima iz komina opet nema ? Moze li mi neko ovo objasniti ?

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Post by: jadran2 on October 04, 2013, 07:40:27 am

Nadje se i pokoja fotografija s dimom. Mora biti da su lozili dobar Cardiff ugljen; kasnije, kada je poceo rat, preorijentirali su se na "domace"- bosanske izvore.

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Post by: jadran2 on November 06, 2013, 08:34:55 pm

Grupa u bliskoj voznji
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Post by: brodarski on November 06, 2013, 08:40:47 pm

Quote from: zpetrov9 on June 10, 2013, 02:05:49 pm

Quote from: ML on August 11, 2011, 08:01:15 pm

Bilo bi zanimljivo saznati kakav je tretman Talijana bio prema pobunjenim mornarima
ali i prema oficirima koji su prinudno dovedeni u zarobljeništvo.

Novo doba iz studenog 1918. donosi mali članak iz Kotora.
Pišem po sjećanju. Talijani su svim pripadnicima bivše k.u.k mornarice u Boki ponudili prijelaz ( djelatnu službu ) u svoju RM. Nijedan nije ponudu prihvatio.

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Post by: batik on November 06, 2013, 10:55:09 pm

Da li bi netko imao fotografiju T-8 koja je potopljena nedaleko Dubrovnika u avio napadu 1943.?

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Post by: brodarski on November 11, 2013, 04:35:08 pm

Torpiljarke na vježbi. Stroj je nekako zbijen.

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Post by: jadran2 on January 25, 2014, 11:10:02 pm

Vrhunska fotografija, snimljena vjerojatno nekoliko godina kasnije
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Post by: jadran2 on January 28, 2014, 06:26:51 pm

Two torpedo boats in Abbazia (Opatija); smaller one should be Thornycroft type (II-VIII, built 1878-1881 - famous chimneys "left-right", and the other one might be type XXIII-XXXIX, Pola Arsenal 1887-1891.
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Post by: jadran2 on January 28, 2014, 06:50:22 pm

Tb17 (ex Viper) imao je nekoliko nezgoda; na samu staru godinu udario je pramcem u sibensku rivu i skratio se za 6-7 metara. Netom je bio popravljen, kada je udario u "Krokodila".
Ovaj put je "Streiter" udario u bok Tb17.
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Post by: brodarski on January 28, 2014, 07:01:02 pm

Quote from: jadran2 on January 28, 2014, 06:50:22 pm

Prvi put čujem o udarcu u rivu. Nije u rivu, nije u obalu već u garafulin.

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Post by: jadran2 on January 28, 2014, 07:03:28 pm

Daj malo poblize.... :o

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Am 31. Dezember 1908 durch Kommandantenfehler gegen die Mole in Sebenico gelaufen.
Schwere Beschädigung des Vorschiffes

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Post by: brodarski on January 28, 2014, 07:05:49 pm

To ti je blok koji viri iz mora i na njemu se nalazi oznaka. Danas je tu stup obojen zeleno sa svjetlom. A pitaj didu. To ti je najsigurnije. Dok sam odgoneta što je to garafulin tribalo mi je par miseci. To niti najstariji Šibenčani nisu znali.

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Post by: jadran2 on January 28, 2014, 07:07:34 pm

Ovako je brze.....

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Post by: brodarski on January 28, 2014, 07:09:39 pm

Quote from: jadran2 on January 28, 2014, 07:07:34 pm

Ovako je brze.....

Ali ne i točnije,

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Post by: jadran2 on February 03, 2014, 11:36:39 am

Nije bas kvaliteta, ali neka se nadje
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Post by: jadran2 on February 03, 2014, 06:18:29 pm

Vjerojatno prvi torpedni camci iz 1878-1881, engleske gradnje (Thornycroft). Duljina 26,6 m, 2,9 m sirine, 27 tona. Posada 10 clanova. Brojevi II-VIII.
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Za njihovu posadu, "Adler" iz 1886., isto engleske proizvodnje (Yarrow), je gigant sa svojih 39,6 m, 4 m sirine i 95 tona. Posada broji 16 clanova.
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Post by: MOTORISTA on February 04, 2014, 08:29:51 pm

Tb u punoj brzini.

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Post by: jadran2 on February 04, 2014, 08:31:31 pm

U ljetno doba ne treba im tus.

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Post by: jadran2 on April 27, 2014, 11:02:27 am

..."Gaukler", a u pozadini, mozda Erzherzog Albrecht ili Ferdinand Max (?)
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Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: jadran2 on April 27, 2014, 11:56:48 am

...ili pak Habsburg.

Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: jadran2 on April 28, 2014, 09:48:23 am

Dio lijepog 3D modela Elstera.
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Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: jadran2 on April 28, 2014, 11:18:56 pm

Evo i Rabe, od poznatog fotografa, koji spada u ovu grupu.
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Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: jadran2 on July 22, 2014, 04:15:42 pm

Ovi tipovi malih brodova vec su mnogo puta spominjani.
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Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: MOTORISTA on July 30, 2014, 10:42:00 pm

Tb.13 u Boki.

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Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: jadran2 on August 02, 2014, 03:04:55 pm

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Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: jadran2 on August 24, 2014, 11:15:07 am

Mozda Sperber, nakon pregradnje...
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Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: marinero on September 11, 2014, 02:23:45 pm

Tb 71 F.

Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: jadran2 on September 11, 2014, 03:23:08 pm

"71F" spada u topik "Torpiljarke otvorenog mora".

Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: jadran2 on October 06, 2014, 07:43:26 pm

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Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: jadran2 on November 11, 2014, 06:26:35 pm

Visoki gosti
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Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: Solaris on November 11, 2014, 06:33:39 pm

... i gošće. :)

poz.

Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: Minolovac on November 11, 2014, 06:36:06 pm

Baš su mi ove slike dobro došle. Hvala Jadrane :super

Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: jadran2 on November 11, 2014, 07:12:49 pm

Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: jadran2 on November 21, 2014, 03:22:45 pm

Sve mi se cini da je Viper na drugoj i trecoj fotografiji
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Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: Minolovac on November 21, 2014, 05:26:06 pm

Viper je imao na nosu mali valobran. Sve drugo sliči.

Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: jadran2 on November 21, 2014, 06:23:39 pm

Tocno, mozda Cobra.....? s "istog" navoza.

Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: jadran2 on December 17, 2014, 10:17:33 pm

Kvalitetnija fotografija "Rabe"
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Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: jadran2 on December 20, 2014, 11:59:37 pm

Torpedno camci Natter klase
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Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: marinero on January 25, 2015, 03:52:57 pm

Neidentifikovani mali Tboot u gradskoj luci Škver u Herceg Novom.

Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: Illich on January 30, 2015, 01:58:06 pm

Prva austrijska torpiljarka - Torpedoboot "I".

Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: jadran2 on January 30, 2015, 02:32:09 pm

Prvi put vidim fotografiju; Po knjizi A. Koudelke (Unsere Kriegs-Marine, 1899.) dva su Tb gradjena 1881.g. u tom brodogradilistu, kasniji nazivi IX, X.

Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: kumbor on January 30, 2015, 03:17:19 pm

Piše Thornycroft. Valjda John I.

Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: jadran2 on January 30, 2015, 03:40:06 pm

Quote from: Illich on January 30, 2015, 01:58:06 pm

Prva austrijska torpiljarka - Torpedoboot "I".

Premda bi mogao biti jos stariji Tb - kako je Illich i napisao Tb"I"- izgradjen prije 1878. -- podataka u navedenij knjizi za "jedinicu" (izgradjenu 1875.) nazalost nema.

Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: Illich on January 30, 2015, 03:50:24 pm

Shema torpiljarky "I" od Bilzera.

Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: jadran2 on January 30, 2015, 04:00:14 pm

Evo jos malo o "I" - kasnije s mora zavrsio na Dunavu (covjek stalno uci)......
http://www.navypedia.org/ships/austrohungary/ah_dd_i.htm

Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: Illich on January 30, 2015, 04:47:43 pm

Torpiljarka "I" kao Patrouillenboot na Dunavu (1900).

Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: ML on January 30, 2015, 05:19:02 pm

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Nije baš klasična torpiljarka ima spar torpedo, ogromna razlika od pravog torpeda.

Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: MOTORISTA on January 30, 2015, 11:19:00 pm

Quote from: jadran2 on January 30, 2015, 03:40:06 pm

Quote from: Illich on January 30, 2015, 01:58:06 pm

Prva austrijska torpiljarka - Torpedoboot "I".

Premda bi mogao biti jos stariji Tb - kako je Illich i napisao Tb"I"- izgradjen prije 1878. -- podataka u navedenij knjizi za "jedinicu" (izgradjenu 1875.) nazalost nema.

Izgrađena je 1875.

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CLICK (https://books.google.rs/books?id=O8xHL01QG8cC&pg=PA51&lpg=PA51&dq=Torpedoboot+I&source=bl&ots=hD0V-GeBR9&sig=_CDT-jB-DHouDrfPKAsos4XyPg0&hl=sr&sa=X&ei=0__LVND7LczeasjhgtAM&ved=0CB4Q6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=Torpedoboot%20I&f=false)

Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: Illich on January 31, 2015, 07:59:26 am

Britanski list "Times". 18.08.1881.

Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: MOTORISTA on January 31, 2015, 07:22:12 pm

Tb19 u vožnji.

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Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: MOTORISTA on February 03, 2015, 09:11:48 am

Quote from: jadran2 on January 28, 2014, 06:26:51 pm

Ova je malo većeg formata.

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Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: Illich on February 03, 2015, 05:59:26 pm

Pravo "Weihe" (№28)?

Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: jadran2 on February 04, 2015, 01:21:18 pm

Da, WEihe, ne bi mogao biti Torpedoboot 22 ex Krähe; vidi se gornja crtica prvog slova "E".

Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: MOTORISTA on February 08, 2015, 09:39:18 pm

Tb I umetničko viđenje.

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Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: jadran2 on March 05, 2015, 08:29:26 pm

Dvije fotografije s Tb16.
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Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: MOTORISTA on July 19, 2015, 02:38:05 pm

Jedna mala sa torpiljarkom Weihe.

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Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: jadran2 on July 19, 2015, 04:35:41 pm

Evo poprilicno torpednih camaca; jedna je vec od prije postavljena, sada u boljoj rezoluciji i brojem. (iz ove Batoum klase mogli su biti Adler i Falke?)
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Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: jadran2 on July 19, 2015, 04:40:24 pm

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uz Kaiser Karl VI
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Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: jadran2 on July 19, 2015, 04:47:47 pm

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Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: jadran2 on July 20, 2015, 08:18:44 am

Posada se sprema na vez - vjerojatno Abbazia.
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Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: jadran2 on July 22, 2015, 12:56:32 pm

Tb XXXIX na vezu i u brzoj voznji
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Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: jadran2 on July 22, 2015, 05:21:04 pm

Alo, alo!
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Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: jadran2 on July 22, 2015, 05:26:52 pm

I u nastavku, u spomen prvih torpednih camaca
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Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: jadran2 on August 26, 2015, 06:47:01 pm

Tb XXXIX daje sve od sebe
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Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: jadran2 on September 17, 2015, 09:55:29 am

Fiume/Rijeka
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Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: jadran2 on December 12, 2015, 09:00:46 pm

U Malom Losinju, razne klase malih torpiljarki a tu je i izgleda i Kaiman klasa.
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Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: MOTORISTA on December 12, 2015, 09:02:38 pm

Sjajna! :klap :klap :klap

Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: jadran2 on December 22, 2015, 08:19:58 pm

Jedan ot torpednih camaca s dvije torpedne cijevi u pramcu. U drugom planu je vjerojatno parobrod na kotace Andreas Hofer sudionik bitke kod Visa.
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Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: Illich on January 04, 2016, 09:38:36 am

Popis posade torpiljarke Tb 11.
Kolege!
Što učiniti TVM, MVM (Matrose MVM, Marsgast TVM)?

Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: jadran2 on January 04, 2016, 02:44:10 pm

Mozda:

- TVM - Torpedovormann
- MVM - Minenvormann

Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: MOTORISTA on February 05, 2016, 09:29:28 am

Razglednica sa Tb XXXVIII.

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Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: MOTORISTA on February 13, 2016, 07:53:15 am

Jedna karta sa manevara.

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Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: jadran2 on March 10, 2016, 11:13:06 am

Torpedni camac u lijepoj luci.
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Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: barba on March 10, 2016, 04:41:59 pm

Quote from: jadran2 on March 10, 2016, 11:13:06 am

Torpedni camac u lijepoj luci.
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Rovinj

Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: jadran2 on March 10, 2016, 06:41:37 pm

Hvala Barba.

Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: MOTORISTA on May 05, 2016, 11:02:58 am

Piton i Elster.

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Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: jadran2 on July 22, 2016, 07:58:11 pm

"Viper" davno postavljen na 1.str.; ovaj je u boljoj kvaliteti.
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Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: MOTORISTA on October 07, 2016, 10:59:00 am

Ibis i Weihe u Opatiji, fotka nađena na lokalpatrioti.

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Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: jadran2 on October 07, 2016, 08:33:55 pm

Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: marinero on November 12, 2016, 04:19:10 pm

Tb 17 u hercegnovskoj gradskoj luci.

Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: mali od palube on November 12, 2016, 06:11:58 pm

Brod iza mi djeluje poznato....

Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: jadran2 on November 12, 2016, 06:51:24 pm

Quote from: mali od palube on November 12, 2016, 06:11:58 pm

Brod iza mi djeluje poznato....

Zivi na Palubi :)
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Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: marinero on November 13, 2016, 12:55:43 pm

Tb 13 u vožnji ispred Herceg Novog.

Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: marinero on November 13, 2016, 01:01:34 pm

Evo i TB 14.

Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: mali od palube on November 14, 2016, 03:30:49 pm

Quote from: jadran2 on November 12, 2016, 06:51:24 pm

Quote from: mali od palube on November 12, 2016, 06:11:58 pm

Brod iza mi djeluje poznato....

Zivi na Palubi :)
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Da, to je on ;)

Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: jadran2 on November 22, 2016, 04:26:32 pm

Tri torpedna camca prve izgradnje iz 1878 ili 1881.g. Tb II do TBIX.
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Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: mali od palube on November 26, 2016, 05:36:04 pm

Je li bila ova TB6?

Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: jadran2 on December 01, 2016, 11:03:50 am

Ne mogu otvoriti fotografiju...?
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Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: MOTORISTA on December 03, 2016, 11:29:53 am

Tb XI fotografisana po prebegu u italiju 05.10.1917.

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Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: jadran2 on December 26, 2016, 09:24:01 am

SM Torpedoboot 19 ex Kibitz
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Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: MOTORISTA on December 26, 2016, 03:06:12 pm

Prelepi mali brodovi.

Tb.1 klasa?

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Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: jadran2 on December 26, 2016, 04:57:21 pm

Da, jedan od dvanaestorice.

Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: MOTORISTA on December 27, 2016, 09:10:25 am

Blagodarim. :)

Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: jadran2 on December 27, 2016, 03:46:17 pm

Mornari s gore spomenutog Tb19.
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Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: MOTORISTA on January 10, 2017, 10:20:26 pm

TbIX

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Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: jadran2 on February 20, 2017, 09:19:41 pm

Veteran
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Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: jadran2 on May 04, 2017, 12:55:58 pm

Tb 5.
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Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: brodarski on May 04, 2017, 12:59:53 pm

Ova mi dosta baca na talijansku 55.

Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: jadran2 on May 04, 2017, 01:18:03 pm

Moze bit, ali ....
http://www.kuk-kriegsmarine.at/ Torpedoboote

Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: jadran2 on May 04, 2017, 05:49:11 pm

Na poledjini fotografije ovako je zapisano.
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Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: brodarski on May 04, 2017, 06:05:01 pm

Zanimljivo.

Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: MOTORISTA on May 04, 2017, 06:32:52 pm

Šta je ova kulica ispred prvog dimnjaka? Torpedni nišan ili nešto drugo?

Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: ML on May 04, 2017, 07:04:34 pm

Reflektor.[attachment=1]

Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: ML on May 04, 2017, 07:33:54 pm

Bolje vidljiv reflektor.[attachment=1][attachment=2]
Na slici je Tb.3, ista klasa.

Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: MOTORISTA on May 04, 2017, 07:36:26 pm

Hvala.

Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: jadran2 on May 16, 2017, 05:23:06 pm

Iz grupe torpednih camaca II klase, gradjenih 1883-85....
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Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: ML on May 19, 2017, 04:25:02 pm

Još jedna slika XI slikano 1887g. Klasa od 56tona građena u Puli. U ukupno ih je bilo 7, od XI do XVII.[attachment=1]

Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: jadran2 on May 19, 2017, 04:57:15 pm

Ista ekipa na palubi.

Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: ML on May 19, 2017, 05:41:21 pm

Komandant Carl Skala, sekondo je Von Koudelka. Kao zapovjednici su ukrcavani poručnici bojnog broda, najstariji sa ovim činom, koji su bili nevični malih brodova i njihove specifike.
Ovdje je u pitanju vježba, eskadra oklopnjača pod komandom kontradmirala von Buchte, sa 6 torpiljarki napadaju dalmatinske otoke, koje brani comodor von Czetik sa Fantasie, Panther, Leopard, topovnjačom Sansego i 4 torpiljarke I i II klase.

Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: ML on May 20, 2017, 08:07:07 am

Nek se nađe i prvi br. I. izgrađen 1975 g.Thornycroft, prototip, Engleska, brzine 18čv i deplasmana 10t. Nije baš klasični torpedni čamac, imao je dva spar torpeda, ni nalik torpedu. Na slici je već posle prebacivanja 1893 u Dunavsku flotilu, kao patrolni brod.
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Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: ML on May 20, 2017, 04:16:04 pm

Plan br. I , članak u novinam Engineering od John Thornycroft-a, strana 448-451[attachment=1]

Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: ML on May 20, 2017, 04:34:13 pm

Br III i IV, 26 t, naoružan sa dva torpeda 356mm, izgrađen 1979 u Yarrow-u.
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Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: ML on May 20, 2017, 04:41:42 pm

Prvi građeni kod kuće u Puli V, VI, VII, VIII, od 28 t, dve torpedne cijevi 356, izgrađeni 1881g.
Slika sa i bez jedara.
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Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: ML on May 20, 2017, 04:46:56 pm

IX i X izgrađene u Yarrow-u, 37t, naoružanje 1 x 1 - 37/20 SFK L/23 H, 2 - 356 TT.[attachment=1]

Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: ML on May 20, 2017, 04:55:39 pm

Projekt XI, izgrađeni u Puli (1883-1986)od br XXI do XXVI,47T naoružanje 1 x 1 - 37/20 SFK L / 23H, 2-356 TT
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Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: ML on May 20, 2017, 05:40:23 pm

Klasa XI je građena kao kopija torpednog čamca Batum građenog u Yarrow-u za rusku kornaricu.[attachment=1]

Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: ML on May 20, 2017, 05:43:35 pm

Quote from: ML on May 20, 2017, 08:07:07 am

Kako izgleda napad sa spar torpedom.
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Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: ML on May 25, 2017, 07:13:39 pm

Tb 13 zasuta vatrom francuske oklopne krstarice Waldeck- Rousseau, u boju pred Bokom Kotorskom 17.oktobra 1914g. Drugom salvom topova 19cm pala je na po pramacu bočno i po krmi zasuvši palubu gelerima.[attachment=1]
Torpiljarka se nalaazila cca 6 milja južno od Punta Oštro i okrenula se prema ulazu u Boku. Oklopna krstarica je otvorila na nju vatru sa daljine 6000m, prva salva je podbacila, druga je imala gore opisani uspjeh. Torpiljarka je u zig zaku nastavila prema ulazu pa je treća salva od 5 projektila 19cm promašila torpiljarku koja je uspjela ući u Boku.

Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: MOTORISTA on May 28, 2017, 06:11:42 am

Sjajna fotka.

Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: ML on May 28, 2017, 07:54:34 am

Tb 3 na slici dole Italiani su napisali da je talijanska torpiljarka sa jugoslovenskim pregovaračima, vrjeme je 01.novembar 1918, dan kada je potopljen Viribus Unitas.
Na TB 3 su se nalazili delegate Comitato di salute pubblica (jedan italijanski nacjonalist i jedan socialist), predstavnik Slovenskega Krajevnega narodnega Sveta (KNS) i predstavnik Consiglio nazionale croato.
Oni su pošli u Veneciju sa pismom u kome zamoljavaju sile antante da okupiaraju Trst.
Međutim italijanski nacjonalist Marco Samaja zahtjevao je okupaciju od strane italjana, italijanski socijalista I slovenački clan su dopustili mogučnost okupacije od strane Italijana ali pod mandatom sila Antante.
O2. novembra su dobili potvrdan odgovor, a 2 sata posle povratka torpiljarke italijanske trupe su već bile u Trstu.
Ovdje nije mjesto za politiziranje, to bi trebalo ipak obraditi na drugom mjestu.
Interesantno je napomenuti da je torpiljarka bila pod komandom slovenaca KNS I Hrvata.
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Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: kumbor on May 28, 2017, 09:05:11 am

Politika iz vremena 1918. i stvaranja južnoslovenski države odavno nije politika, već istorija, pa sam ubeđen da ne može biti nikakvih ograničenja o pisanju na Forumu, sem ako neko baš hoće da se svađa. Uvek je moguće "vaditi iz naftalina" razne koječije citate o neznamčemu.

Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: ML on May 29, 2017, 05:23:29 am

Nije mišljeno na forum, negona topik torpiljarke.
Svakako treba obraditi ovaj dio istorije.

Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: jadran2 on May 29, 2017, 06:15:19 am

Ovi detalji su malo poznati......

Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: ML on May 29, 2017, 07:32:59 pm

Radi se o okupaciji Trsta. Ovo ću obraditi u posebnom topiki.
Još nešto o komandi torpiljarke Tb 3. Posadu je skupio poručnik fregate Vučetić, koji je i postavljen za njenog komandanta.
Ne treba prešutiti da su on i ostali oficiri na torpiljarki pokazali italjanima na karti prolaz kroz minska polja do Trsta, da može pomoć bezbjedno da stigne. To je Italijanima i trebalo, osim situacije u gradu, pa su imali sve elemente za bezbjednu okupaciju.

Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: jadran2 on September 28, 2017, 08:02:20 am

Rana serija....u pulskoj luci.
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Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: jadran2 on September 28, 2017, 08:17:59 pm

Predah.
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Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: MOTORISTA on January 06, 2018, 05:28:10 pm

Rabe sa razvijenim šatorima.

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Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: jadran2 on January 24, 2018, 09:23:45 am

....i jos jedna.
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Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: jadran2 on February 14, 2018, 05:44:33 pm

Nekoliko iz raznih klasa
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Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: jadran2 on March 23, 2018, 04:02:44 pm

Sa i bez dima
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Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: MOTORISTA on April 14, 2018, 01:01:47 pm

Viper presek.

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Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: marinero on November 02, 2018, 12:30:54 pm

Nekoliko Tb klase "Kaiman".

Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: jadran2 on November 02, 2018, 07:18:12 pm

Ko tu koga cuje....
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Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: jadran2 on January 16, 2019, 01:32:26 pm

Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: MOTORISTA on November 16, 2019, 08:09:52 am

Tb16, ex Cobra.

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Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: MOTORISTA on November 19, 2019, 10:18:00 am

Sperber na karti.

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Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: MOTORISTA on November 24, 2019, 02:32:39 pm

Porodična poseta k-dantu Habichta.

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Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: MOTORISTA on January 07, 2021, 09:10:30 pm

Tb14 ex Kígyó s krme.

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Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: MOTORISTA on August 27, 2021, 06:38:27 pm

Jedna karta sa Tb Ibis.

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Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: MOTORISTA on January 21, 2022, 10:54:19 am

Tb38 ex Kranich.

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Title: Re: Male torpiljarke
Post by: MOTORISTA on February 06, 2022, 09:55:11 pm

Tb22 ex Krähe.

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PALUBA

Ratna mornarica => Operativa => Topic started by: Dreadnought on October 02, 2009, 05:14:02 pm