PALUBA

Imam jedno pitanje, ako neko možda ima neku informaciju.

Skoro sam čitao o drevnoj misaonoj igri Go, koja je poreklom sa dalekog istoka. Navedeno je da je u Evropu došla pre oko 100 godina, i da su je doneli mornari iz nemačke i austrijske mornarice koji su išli do dalekog istoka (Kina i Japan).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_game

Evo i kako izgleda igra, na slici iz sličnog perioda.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Korean_Game_from_the_Carpenter_Collection,_ca._1910-1920.jpg

Da li se neko od vas koji pratite istoriju austrougarske mornarice sreo sa nekim podatkom ili slikom vezanom za ovu igru?

Vathra,

Sasvim realno!

Mogli su je donijeti mornari A-U RM ili carske njemacke RM koji su bili stacionirani u Japanu i Kini u periodu oko kraja XIX st i poc. XX st.

Isto tako, znam da su A-U zarobljenici iz I SR (zarobljeni od strane Rusa) bili cak na ruskom dalekom istoku u gradu Habarovsku na Amuru i koji su se natrag vratili preko Japana.

Osobno nemam direktnih podataka - za sada - o GO-u, ali vrijeme tece i mnogo toga objektivnog jos nismo otkrili za Palubu.

Evo jos zanimljivi detalj o igri go (napisan od kasnijeg kbb Ervina Finka):


Origins of Go in Europe

British Go Journal No. 55. March 1982. Page 19.

This article was written by the late Ervin Fink of Yugoslavia, and distributed at the European congress in Zagreb in 1974. It contains an interesting eye witness account of the origins of go in Europe.

"We cannot be much in error if we say that the game of go became known in Europe at the beginning of this century. Compared with chess, which has been played in Europe for some 400 years, the relatively late appearance of go in Europe is surprising, since its origins date back about 4,000 years. After all, both chess and go have much in common: both are board games played with two sets of pieces, both are games of intellect, and both originated in Asia. There are probably many reasons for the late appearance of go in Europe. One of these reasons is, as Dr. Emmanuel Lasker, the famous Chess Champion, mentioned in his book "Brettspiele der Völker", that the mobility of chess pieces suits the European mentality better than the immobility of go stones - although we know that the game of go is not less (probably more) dynamic than Chess. Anyhow, it was only toward the end of the 19th. century, when Japan opened her frontiers, first to the ships of Commodore Perry and then to trade, diplomacy, science and arts of the western world, that Europe learned of arts and customs of the Far-East, and of their game of games.

Certainly there were more attempts at introducing and spreading the game of go in Europe, but most of them are forgotten. It would be interesting to find out those actions, those efforts, that left deeper impression in the history of go. Due to the lack of reliable information on more important attempts, I shall recount only one of these, which happened over 50 years ago, and which I myself took part in.

In 1914, just before the beginning of World war I, I was midshipman on the fast cruiser "admiral Spaun". My ship was at that time stationed at Pula 1 the main port of the Austro-Hungarian Navy. I used to spend my off duty evenings playing chess in the Navy club, where there were always a lot of Kibitzers, and there I met Lieutenant-Commander Artur Jonak von Freyenwald 2. He rather praised my game, and invited me into his ship to show me a Japanese game - go, which he said was more interesting than, chess. Of course I accepted his invitation, and after a series of lessons I daresay I improved rather quickly.

With great will and energy did Jonak strive to acquire new converts to his game, mostly among younger Navy officers. In a short time he attracted a number of enthusiastic go players. They in their turn attracted yet more players, until it became rather like an epidemic. Go was played on board ships, in coffee houses, in Navy clubs etc. Soon go sets with glass stones and a folding board were available in a Pula bookshop. It was Jonak who did most to spread the game, and for his devotion and tireless activity he got the name "Jonak, god of Go". - After Jonak's death in the war, our go club had no leader anymore. Flames of the "go-fire" in Pula died out and winds scattered the sparks of the glowing fire. There had been more than 200 active go players in our club, and I think it was the strongest, and certainly largest go club in Europe, at least before 1918.

Although the "go fire" in Pula went out, some sparks survived 3. One of these glowed on in its country - trying to light a new fire. Many a success of our chess players convinced me that there was the interest and necessary talent for games of intellect in Yugoslavia. This fact strengthened my conviction that in my country favourable grounds for go exist and that is why I decided to try to spread the game of go in Yugoslavia. I tried to make a breakthrough in many ways: articles in newspapers, pamphlets, lecture Radio-television, contacts with chess clubs, making improvised go sets etc. At last I found by accident a group of students of Ljubljana University, who were playing go. They had learned the rules and not much else from an article I had written for a weekly "Tedenska Tribuna" in December 1960. They were very enthusiastic, found many new players, mostly "converts" from chess and they eagerly studied those few books on go that I had. In 1961 we founded "Go-drustvo Ljubljana", the first go club in Yugoslavia. We strived and succeeded in spreading go, and after a while there appeared many go clubs in all parts of Yugoslavia. At the same time, we tried to improve our skill and to come even with the best European players, and I think we did it. Of course, we hope to achieve more than that. - And that is how from the beginnings in Pula the game of go established itself in Yugoslavia."

    Notes:
    Pula is a well known Yugoslav port in the North Adriatic
    Lieut. Cmdr. Artur Jonak von Freyenwald was born in Salzburg (Austria) When I met him, he was first officer on the minelayer "Kameleon". In 1914 he was on the cruiser "Kaiserin Elisabeth" in Tsingtau, where he became addicted to go. In 1918 he died in Boka Kotorska (now in Yugoslavia, South Adriatic coast) when some mines accidentally exploded during a minelaying operation.
    One of many go players was one Lieut. Cmdr. Froeschl, a close friend of Jonak. He was very active in Go in his native Vienna. Of the activities of other go players from Pula I unfortunately do not know anything.

http://www.britgo.org/bgj/05519.html

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http://museums.si/sl/collection/object/241600/ervin-fink-goigra-igra-in-delo

i jos:
http://ri-exlibris.hr/upload/catalog_product/17332/022878_53b73cec44c9b.pdf

Jadrane,
Dobar članak koji objašnjava nedoumicu - u Puli jesu igrali među prvima u Evropi, ali je na kraju klub zamro i igra se nije raširila dalje odatle.

Ovdje ima malo podataka na Njemackom jeziku.

http://pokspace.goverband.at/essays/nimmerrichter.htm

Navodno je igricu donio ambasador/inzinjer.

poz.

Ово је један занимљив чланак о игри, из америчког часописа ”Лајф”, из маја 1942-е.
Игра је лепо објашњена, али је најбоље поређење са јапанским освајањима на крају текста

https://books.google.co.jp/books?id=MFAEAAAAMBAJ&lpg=PP1&pg=PA92&hl=ja#v=onepage&q&f=false

Иначе је занимљиво да је и Исороку Јамамото доста волео мисаоне игре.
Поред гоа је играо и шоги (јапански шах), билијар, бриџ, маџонг (игра са доминама која подсећа на реми. Маџонг који се игра на рачунарима је пасијанс варијанта са истим фигурама), али и покер и остале игре.

Од других познатих играча је ту и Бил Гејтс, који се опробао у игри али није далеко напредовао и поред великих амбиција.

Gore spomenuti por.b.b. Artur  Jonak v. Freyenwald bio je pasionirani igrac (nazvan Jonak Bog od goa)....
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Bio je po povratku u Pulu ukrcan na minopolagacu "Chamäleon".

Prilikom rada (16.8.1918.) s podvodnim minama u Boki, poginuo je u eksploziji osam mina Jonak, pet mornara, dva vojnika i jedan civil., a jos je desetak osoba ranjeno.
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