PALUBA

Washington DC, January 16, 2011 – The US intelligence community is now in a manic fit of gloating over this weekend’s successful overthrow of the Tunisian government of President Ben Ali. The State Department and the CIA, through media organs loyal to them, are mercilessly hyping the Tunisian putsch of the last few days as the prototype of a new second generation of color revolutions, postmodern coups, and US-inspired people power destabilizations. At Foggy Bottom and Langley, feverish plans are being made for a veritable Mediterranean tsunami designed to topple most existing governments in the Arab world, and well beyond. The imperialist planners now imagine that they can expect to overthrow or weaken the governments of Libya, Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Algeria, Yemen, and perhaps others, while the CIA’s ongoing efforts to remove Italian Prime Minister Berlusconi (because of his friendship with Putin and support for the Southstream pipeline) make this not just an Arab, but rather a pan-Mediterranean, orgy of destabilization.

Hunger revolution, not Jasmine revolution

Washington’s imperialist planners now believe that they have successfully refurbished their existing model of CIA color revolution or postmodern coup. This method of liquidating governments had been losing some of its prestige after the failure of the attempted plutocratic Cedars revolution in Lebanon, the rollback of the hated IMF-NATO Orange revolution in Ukraine, the ignominious collapse of June 2009 Twitter revolution in Iran, and the widespread discrediting of the US-backed Roses revolution in Georgia because of the warmongering and oppressive activities of fascist madman Saakashvili. The imperialist consensus is now that the Tunisian events prefigure a new version of people power coup specifically adapted to today’s reality, specifically that of a world economic depression, breakdown crisis, and disintegration of the globalized casino economy.

The Tunisian tumults are being described in the US press as the “Jasmine revolution,” but it is far more accurate to regard them as a variation on the classic hunger revolution. The Tunisian ferment was not primarily a matter of the middle class desire to speak out, vote, and blog. It started from the Wall Street depredations which are ravaging the entire planet: outrageously high prices for food and fuel caused by derivatives speculation, high levels of unemployment and underemployment, and general economic despair. The detonator was the tragic suicide of a vegetable vendor in Sidi Bouzid who was being harassed by the police. As Ben Ali fought to stay in power, he recognized what was causing the unrest by his gesture of lowering food prices. The Jordanian government for its part has lowered food prices there by about 5%.

Assange and Wikileaks, Key CIA Tools to Dupe Youth Bulge

The economic nature of the current unrest poses a real problem for the Washington imperialists, since the State Department line tends to define human rights exclusively in political and religious terms, and never as a matter of economic or social rights. Price controls, wages, jobless benefits, welfare payments, health care, housing, trade union rights, banking regulation, protective tariffs, and other tools of national economic self-defense have no place whatsoever in the Washington consensus mantra. Under these circumstances, what can be done to dupe the youth bulge of people under 30 who now represents the central demographic reality of most of the Arab world?

In this predicament, the CIA’s cyberspace predator drone Julian Assange and Wikileaks are providing an indispensable service to the imperialist cause. In Iceland in the autumn of 2009, Assange was deployed by his financier backers to hijack and disrupt a movement for national economic survival through debt moratorium, the rejection of interference by the International Monetary Fund, and re-launching the productive economy through an ambitious program of national infrastructure and the export of high technology capital goods, in particular in the field of geothermal energy. Assange was able to convince many in Iceland that these causes were not nearly radical enough, and that they needed to devote their energies instead to publishing a series of carefully pre-selected US government and other documents, all of which somehow targeted governments and political figures which London and Washington had some interest in embarrassing and weakening. In other words, Assange was able to dupe honest activists into going to work for the imperialist financiers. Assange has no program except “transparency,” which is a constant refrain of the US UK human rights mafia as it attempts to topple targeted governments across the developing sector in particular.

“Yes we can” or “Food prices are too damn high!”

Tunisia is perhaps the first case in which Assange and Wikileaks can make a credible claim to have detonated the coup. Most press accounts agree that certain State Department cables which were part of the recent Wikileaks document dumps and which focused on the sybaritic excess and lavish lifestyle of the Ben Ali clan played a key role in getting the Tunisian petit bourgeoisie into the streets. Thanks in part to Assange, Western television networks were thus able to show pictures of the Tunisian crowds holding up signs saying “Yes we can” rather than a more realistic and populist “Food prices are too damn high!”

Ben Ali had been in power for 23 years. In Egypt, President Mubarak has been in power for almost 30 years. The Assad clan in Syria have also been around for about three decades. In Libya, Colonel Gaddafi has been in power for almost 40 years. Hafez Assad was able to engineer a monarchical succession to his son when he died 10 years ago, and Mubarak and Gaddafi are trying to do the same thing today. Since the US does not want these dynasties, The obvious CIA tactic is to deploy assets like Twitter, Google, Facebook, Wikileaks, etc., to turn key members of the youth bulge into swarming mobs to bring down the gerontocratic regimes.

CIA Wants Aggressive New Puppets to Play Against Iran, China, Russia

All of these countries do of course require serious political as well as economic reform, but what the CIA is doing with the current crop of destabilizations has nothing to do with any positive changes in the countries involved. Those who doubt this should remember the horrendous economic and political record of the puppets installed in the wake of recent color revolutions – people like the IMF-NATO kleptocrat agents Yushchenko and Timoshenko in Ukraine, the mentally unstable warmongering dictator Saakashvili in Georgia, and so forth. Political forces that are foolish enough to accept the State Department’s idea of hope and change will soon find themselves under the yoke of new oppressors of this type. The danger is very great in Tunisia, since the forces which ousted Ben Ali have no visible leader and no visible mass political organization which could help them fight off foreign interference in the way that Hezbollah was able to do in checkmating the Lebanese Cedars putsch. In Tunis, the field is wide open for the CIA to install a candidate of its own choosing, preferably under the cover of “elections.” Twenty-three years of Ben Ali have unfortunately left Tunisia in a more atomized condition.

Why is official Washington so obsessed with the idea of overthrowing these governments? The answer has everything to do with Iran, China, and Russia. As regards Iran, the State Department policy is notoriously the attempt to assemble a united front of the entrenched Arab and Sunni regimes to be played against Shiite Iran and its various allies across the region. This had not been going well, as shown by the inability of the US to install its preferred puppet Allawi in Iraq, where the pro-Iranian Maliki seems likely to hold onto power for the foreseeable future. The US desperately wants a new generation of unstable “democratic” demagogues more willing to lead their countries against Iran than the current immobile regimes have proved to be. There is also the question of Chinese economic penetration. We can be confident that any new leaders installed by the US will include in their program a rupture of economic relations with China, including especially a cutoff of oil and raw material shipments, along the lines of what Twitter revolution honcho Mir-Hossein Mousavi was reliably reported to be preparing for Iran if he had seized power there in the summer of 2009 at the head of his “Death to Russia, death to China” rent-a-mob. In addition, US hostility against Russia is undiminished, despite the cosmetic effects of the recent ratification of START II. If for example a color revolution were to come to Syria, we could be sure that the Russian naval presence at the port Tartus, which so disturbs NATO planners, would be speedily terminated. If the new regimes demonstrate hostility against Iran, China, and Russia, we would soon find that internal human rights concerns would quickly disappear from the US agenda.

Key Destabilization Operatives of the Obama Regime

For those who are keeping score, it may be useful to pinpoint some of the destabilization operatives inside the current US regime. It is of course obvious that the current wave of subversion against the Arab countries was kicked off by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton in her much touted speech last week in Doha, Qatar last week, when she warned assembled Arab leaders to reform their economies ( according to IMF rules) and stamp out corruption, or else face ouster.

Given the critical role of Assange and Wikileaks in the current phase, White House regulations czar Cass Sunstein must also be counted among the top putschists. We should recall that on February 24, 2007 Sunstein contributed an article entitled “A Brave New Wikiworld” to the Washington Post, in which he crowed that “Wikileaks.org, founded by dissidents in China and other nations, plans to post secret government documents and to protect them from censorship with coded software.” This was in fact the big publicity breakthrough for Assange and the debut of Wikileaks in the US mainstream press — all thanks to current White House official Sunstein. May we not assume that Sunstein represents the White House contact man and controller for the Wikileaks operation?

Every Tree in the Arab Forest Might Fall

Another figure worthy of mention is Robert Malley, a well-known US left-cover operative who currently heads the Middle East and North Africa program at the International Crisis Group (ICG), an organization reputed to run on money coughed up by George Soros and tactics dreamed up from Zbigniew Brzezinski. Malley was controversial during the 2008 presidential campaign because of the anti-Israeli posturing he affects, the better to dupe the Arab leaders he targets. Malley told the Washington Post of January 16, 2011 that every tree in the Arab forest could now be about to fall: “We could go through the list of Arab leaders looking in the mirror right now and very few would not be on the list.” Arab governments would be well advised to keep an eye on ICG operatives in their countries.

Czar Cass Sunstein is now married to Samantha Power, who currently works in the White House National Security Council as Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director (boss) of the Office of Multilateral Affairs and Human Rights – the precise bureaucratic home of destabilization operations like the one in Tunisia. Power, like Malley, is a veteran of the US intelligence community’s “human rights” division, which is a past master of using legitimate beefs about repression to to replace old US clients with new puppets in a never-ending process of restless subversion. Both Malley and Power were forced to tender pro forma resignations during the Obama presidential campaign of 2008 – Malley for talking to Hamas, and Power for an obscene tirade against Hillary Clinton, who is now her bureaucratic rival.

Advice to Arab Governments, Political Forces, Trade Unions

The Arab world needs to learn a few fundamental lessons about the mechanics of CIA color revolutions, lest they replicate the tragic experience of Georgia, Ukraine, and so many others. In today’s impoverished world of economic depression, a reform program capable of defending national interests against the rapacious forces of financial globalization is the number one imperative.

Accordingly, Arab governments must immediately expel all officials of the International Monetary Fund, World Bank, and their subset of lending institutions. Arab countries which are currently under the yoke of IMF conditionalities (notably Egypt and Jordan among the Arabs, and Pakistan among the Moslem states) must unilaterally and immediately throw them off and reassert their national sovereignty. Every Arab state should unilaterally and immediately declare a debt moratorium in the form of an open-ended freeze on all payments of interest and principal of international financial debt in the Argentine manner, starting with sums allegedly owed to the IMF-World Bank. The assets of foreign multinational monopolistic firms, especially oil companies, should be seized as the situation requires. Basic food staples and fuels should be subjected to price controls, with draconian penalties for speculation, including by way of derivatives. Dirigist measures such as protective tariffs and food price subsidies can be quickly introduced. Food production needs to be promoted by production and import bounties, as well as by international barter deals. National grain stockpiles must be quickly constituted. Capital controls and exchange controls are likely to be needed to prevent speculative attacks on national currencies by foreign hedge funds acting with the ulterior political motives of overthrowing national governments. Most important, central banks must be nationalized and reconverted to a policy of 0% credit for domestic infrastructure, agriculture, housing, and physical commodity production, with special measures to enhance exports. Once these reforms have been implemented, it may be time to consider the economic integration of the Arab world as an economic development community in which the foreign exchange earnings of the oil-producing states can be put to work on the basis of mutual advantage for infrastructure and hard commodity capital investment across the entire Arab world.

http://www.infowars.com/

Po mojim relativno (ponavljam relativno) dobro obaveštenim izvorima stvari stoje ovako.
Ako je Gadafi očistio Tripoli on dobija igru a evo zašto...

Mene interesira jedna stvar: zasto kazemo da je Libijska vojska slabo obucena? Na sto se bazira ta ocena?
I ovo sa placenicima, dali svaki stranac koji radi za Libijski vojsku treba da bude pozvan "placenik"?

Izvinjavam se ako sam te uvredio nije ni bila namera. Ali, već za maksimalno tri dana znaćemo da li su moje informacije iz pouzdanih izvora ili radio Mileva. Maksimalno tri dana i biće sve jasno ...

Тешко ми је да поверујем да је Гадафи ангажовао толико број плаћеника или унајмљених професионалаца. Као да они сви седе на једном месту и на дугме одлазе где треба. Да ће Гадафи ангажовати и професионалне војнике са стране не сумњам, али толико Руса, Срба и остали братских народа са Балкана (2-3000) већ стигло тамо и ратује, апсолутно не верујем. Па где их скупи толико? Како су стигли осим ако Гадафи није знао да ће доћи до свега овога и већ их месецима прикупљао и држао у неком војном кампу или туристичком насељу замаскиране као туристе? Колико треба бродова или авиона да се толико број довезе за пар дана? Одакле су пристигли?

Да ће многа племена (традиционално већ наоружана) из Сахаре и њеног обода са југа (укључујем пре свега Судан, Чад, Нигер) сама кренути у соло акције сигурно. Они раде за себе и баш их брига и за Гадафија, "демократске" промене и "револуционаре" са истока Либије. Биће ту још борби око плена, а плен није мали.

Skrenuo bih Vam pažnju da TV Pink ima svoje izveštače u Tripoliju i da oni daju potpuno drugu sliku događanja u Libiji.
Ovo što se sada radi u Libiji je, kad je reč o medijima, 100% je isto kao 1999. godine. Sve je izmišljeno.

Pišu kako su prekinute internet veze sa Libijom što nortona laž ja imam bar pet šest prijatelja sa kojima doržavam stalnu vezu da bi saznao šta se dešava.
Ovo je ozbiljan forum i vodite računa koje vesti prenosite.

Kao i vecina prosecnih gradjana pomalo sam se informisao o svim ovim dogadjajima pocev od Tunisa (jel` bese tamo pocelo) i cini mi se da se svaki put na strani opozicije pominjao islamisticki pokret ``Muslimanska braca``. Nisam siguran da li sam upravu,ali me interesuje ko su oni?

Имао сам прилике да пре тридесет и кусур година упознам Абу Бакр Јунис Џабера када је службено боравио у посети ОС СФРЈ. Мислим да је то било пре Титове смрти, али је могуће и након тога. Прошло је доста времена. Био сам старешина непосредног обезбеђења током његовог службеног боравка код нас. Колико се сећам он је један из екипе која је са Гадафијем 1969. године свргла тадашњег краља. Дуго је на дужности "врховног командант оружаних снага Либије".

Najpre da se izvinem dexy-u slučajno je ispalo da je njegov topik ispred moga. Izvini molim te.  :angel:
E sad neko je pitao nešto u vezi falsikovanja izvora da se piše o tome. To je duga priča ali evo da je započnemo.
Postoji nauka koja se zove analiza izvora čiji je jedan ogranak analiza otvorenih (ili javnih izvora) izvora. Upravo time ćemo se za sada baviti.
Kada dobijete neku vest i želite da je analizirate prvo morate da utvrdite izvor od koga potiče ta vest (ili podatak) a zatim da utvrdite kredibilitet tog izvora. Evo primera koji me je u stvari razbesneo i zbog koga sam reagovao. Sve svetske agencije su sinoć prenele vest da se vodi borba za Tripoli  Pazite dalje u Tripoliju postoji veliki broj ambasada od kojih osim američke sve još rade punim kapacitetom i sve imaju svoje atašee za štampu. Pored toga u Tripoliju ima veliki broj stranih novinara koji tu neometano radi. I niko ništa ne javlja već neki nepoznati građanin telefonom javlja tu vest. Izvor je toliko nekredibilan da verovatno ni ne postoji nego je uredništvo Rojtersa samo izmislilo celu vest.
Nastavak sledi - moram da popijem jednu ljutu da se smirim jer sam sve ovo već preživljavao.
 :komp

Имао сам прилике да пре тридесет и кусур година упознам Абу Бакр Јунис Џабера када је службено боравио у посети ОС СФРЈ. Мислим да је то било пре Титове смрти, али је могуће и након тога. Прошло је доста времена. Био сам старешина непосредног обезбеђења током његовог службеног боравка код нас. Колико се сећам он је један из екипе која је са Гадафијем 1969. године свргла тадашњег краља. Дуго је на дужности "врховног командант оружаних снага Либије".

In Washington this week, the Obama administration faced an awkward moment of comparison between the heavy guns it fired to get Hosni Mubarak out the door ten days ago and its tied tongue on the popular uprising against the outrageous Libyan ruler, Muammar Qaddafi.
In the first case, President Barack Obama personally and publicly ordered Mubarak’s generals to oust him – in sharp contrast to the White House’s conduct on Libya – belated condemnation of Qaddafi’s brutal methods but no real action. However, according to DEBKA-Net-Weekly‘s Washington sources, the administration has begun casting about for military options to halt the civil war emerging out of the Libyan uprising.
Up until Tuesday night, Feb. 22, Washington thought that if matters became desperate enough to require military action, the European Union would take care of it. But that was before Qaddafi stood symbolically on the ruined balcony of his old residence, which was bombed by the Americans in April 1986, and declared Libya was in the throes of civil war that would be very bloody.
Because the Europeans don’t have substantial forces trained for landings, the US administration canvassed their governments about deploying European naval and air might. They would not be used to directly strike Qaddafi’s power centers, but rather to impose a sea blockade on the naval bases from which Qaddafi Tuesday night, Feb. 22 began striking the two rebellious Cyrenaica provincial towns of Benghazi and Tobruk. They would also enforce a no-fly zone in Libyan air space and force Qaddafi to ground the air transports ferrying his forces from point to point to crack down on protesters.
Europeans in no hurry for military intervention – Egyptians hesitate
It was soon evident that the Europeans were in no hurry to resort to military force in Libya, unless their economies were fatally impacted (See a separate item on Libyan investments in Europe and the fallout on the Russian arms industry.) or their supplies of oil and gas at immediate risk.
(Libya covers 32 percent of Italy’s oil needs; 14 percent of Germany’s; 10 percent of France’s and 9 percent of Spain’s. Libya supplies 14 percent of the other EU nations’ oil demands combined.)
Only Britain’s Conservative-led government headed by David Cameron appeared to be flexing muscle over the evacuation of British workers from Libya. Thursday, Feb. 24, the UK’s Royal Navy frigate was posted off Libya and its SBS special marine rescue force, with the Mercian Regiment for support, and three military Hercules, were on standby for rescue missions.
However, Washington decided to look outside Europe for an army to go into Libya. Its eye fell on the Egyptian army. But when over last weekend, the US first took the matter up with Egyptian Defense Minister and head of the Supreme Army Council ruling the country, Field Marshal Mohammed Tantawi, the silence from Cairo was eloquent, DEBKA-Net-Weekly‘s military and Washington sources report. The generals clearly had enough on their plates with sorting out the mess left in the wake of the turbulent uprising which removed Mubarak and were too busy to get involved in other troubles.
Unbearable economic strain on Egypt from returning laborers
But when the Egyptians employed in Libya starting flocking back home, the military rulers changed their minds and decided to give the American proposition a second look. They were moved by six considerations:
1. Just over 1.5 million Egyptians employed in Libya regularly deposit monthly paychecks totaling roughly $1.5 billion in Egyptian banks. Cairo, with 82 million mouths to feed, cannot afford to lose this major source of revenue and foreign currency at the best of times – least of all in the current state of economic havoc.
2. A civil war in Libya would cripple the economy and cause the Egyptian laborers to be sacked and sent home. Egypt is in no shape to absorb this number of jobless. Libya and its economy must therefore be stabilized.
3. Deposed President Mubarak was on good terms with Qaddafi. So the military rulers are uneasy about being seen by the people continuing to hobnob with the Libyan ruler and, worse still, associating with an Arab dictator harshly suppressing a popular uprising against him.
Fearing to get directly in touch with Qaddafi and establish relations, the Egyptian military are left with not much more than two choices between passivity and military intervention in the Libyan conflict.
Cairo and Washington alike are confronted with one of the negative consequences of Mubarak’s exit from the Middle East scene: While in the presidential palace, he had the Libyan ruler’s ear and would have been able to set up a backdoor link to him for the US administration and helped broker middle ground to defuse the crisis.
Fear of spillover into Egypt through split tribes
The diplomatic void left by his departure has not been filled. Monday night, Feb 21, the US turned to Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi to intercede with Qaddafi – unsuccessfully, as it turned out.
4. The apparently unstoppable impetus of Libya’s civil war is bringing home to the military junta in Cairo the possible spillover into Egypt. Important Bedouin tribes of Cyrenaica, which are partly nomadic and partly sedentary, are split between eastern Libya and Egypt’s Western Desert and maintain strong cross-border family ties. The largest is the Awlad Ali, which numbers about one million souls and occupies territories between Al-Sallum and Alexandria in western Egypt.
DEBKA-Net-Weekly‘s sources report that Wednesday, Feb. 23, a special delegation from Qaddafi crossed into Egypt to persuade Awlad Ali tribal chiefs to open a second front against the Cyrenaica rebels and attack them to their rear from the east.
Egyptian military intelligence agents soon espied the Libyans and drove them back across the border. They sternly warned the Awlad Ali chieftains against playing ball with the Libyan ruler. Cairo fears that the showdown between the Libyan dictator and his people might ignite Saharan Egypt. The fallout on the still-to-be stabilized general population of Egypt would be incalculable.
To be on the safe side, our sources report that the Egyptian army Wednesday night massed troops on the Libyan border to seal it against further incursions.
Partitioning Libya would send Qaddafi back to Sahara
5. As of now, DEBKA-Net-Weekly‘s military and intelligence sources report that Washington and Cairo are discussing a limited Egyptian excursion into Libya. It will be presented as a US-backed Egyptian campaign, with some European participation, embarked on as the only recourse for terminating Libya’s civil war and forcing its dictator to relinquish power.
But the immediate mission will be for an Egyptian air umbrella to close the air space over Cyrenaica against Libyan air and sea raids. US military planners calculate that no more than a single Egyptian armored division in Cyrenaica – or even a half of one – would suffice to curb Qaddafi’s offensive on the rebels and force his troops to withdraw.
6. The scenario taking shape in Washington and Cairo according to our sources is this: Limited Egyptian military intervention supported by European sanctions would result in Libya’s partition into two national entities: Cyrenaica and Tripolitania, which will also include the Fezzan region.
Each would have a half-share in Libya’s oil wells. Qaddafi and his family would be pushed into their tribal lands in the Sahara, whence his influence and freedom of action would be severely curtailed.
The trouble is that this is a scratch plan put together to meet an unforeseen crisis, whereas its target, Muammar Qaddafi, was not caught off-guard. He was fully prepared for his people to rise up against him and even for possible foreign military intervention to remove him – as will be shown in a separate article in this issue.

On dodaje da je Gadafi najverovatnije upravo prilikom ugovaranja kupovine aviona upoznao i svoju buduću suprugu Sofiju Farkaš, jednu od najviđenijih hercegovačkih devojaka tog vremena i unuku nekadašnjeg austrijskog školskog nadzornika u tom gradu Ivana Farkaša, koja je posle udaje za libijskog narodnog vođu promenila ime u Safija.

Тотално је фасцинантно да у Либији од 1965. немају никакве пруге.
Потписали су уговоре да почну да их раде, али то неће бити скоро готово.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rail_transport_in_Libya

Kažu da je Libijska nafta tipa brent jedna od najkvalitetnijih. hm zanimljivo, šta će to Libijcima toliki kvalitet ima ko to ume bolje.

Док сам био на послу написао сам одговор, кад оно нема га. Ајд, опет.

Подстакао ме је Заставником текст о посредном и директном мешању Египта. Пре једно 40-так година, врло брзо након "револуције" Гадафи је покварио своје добре односе са Египтом. Мешао се тамо где му није место. Мислим да се радило о покушају пуча или тако нечег у Судану где је Гадафи покушао да се умеша. То се нешто није свидело Египчанима па су се односи покварили. Не могу се сетити године, али нешто после тога дошло је до правог рата између Египта и Либије и којем је било употребе и тешког оружја, мртвих и рањених на обе стране. Зато ме не изненађује понашање Египта, шта више врло сам убеђен да ће они бити ти који ће можда интервенисати у Либији.

Pravićemo mi tu bolnicu u Tripoliju i bez Gadafija i po najmanje se on pitao dal oćemo ili nećemo, to je bila samo još jedna iluzija da se Gadafi nešto pita, a zapravo sve konce vuče Vašington...

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Libija nema prerađivačke kapacitete da bi uspešno poizvodila derivate od takvog tipa nafte. Verujem da su osnov izvoza ustvari sirova nafta a ne derivati, nisam stručan po tom pitanju ali verujem da je tako. Da bi takva tehnologija ušla u Libiju treba da ona postane 'podobna' za onog ko poseduje takvu tehnologiju (Amerika). I pored toga što je pre nekoliko godina sam Gadafi postao veoma konstruktivan po svim pitanjima (tehnologija, izvoz nafte, licence i koncesije na izvore i puteve nafte i gasa, razni građevinski i ostali projekti dati stranim kompanijama i sa istoka i sa zapada)  što možete i pročitati u medijima ovih dana, ništa to nije vredelo da umilostivi svetske moćnike , čak mu se to vraća kao bumerang ovih dana. Postavlja se pitanje dal je bolje da je dao pare na vojsku i tehnologiju kako bi ustoličio čvršće svoj režim npr kao Teheran  :krsta  Kad on ode videćete kako će se dovući novija tehnologija i porašće izvoz nafte isto kao u Iraku a dok narod tamo ukapira šta se radi nafte neće više biti, tj posao će biti obavljen.

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Ruše ga da bi upravo uradili ovo što sam naveo. Gadafi je možda malo izgubio kompas ali nije blesav i sam vidi šta se dešava ali se kasno osvestio. A to što je rekao da Al Kaida stoji iza svega to mu verujem, jer ta organizacija upravo trojanski konj belosvetske naftne oligarhije na čelu sa USA i OPEK i to nije teško uvideti ako se analiziraju događaji u posl 20 god, samo se setite da je Bin Laden imao bosanski pasoš. Ne sumnjam da je Al Kaida itekako prisutna u događajima koji potresaju Arapski svet. Kad se sve ovo smiri, kad krv stane poteći će nafta ponovo. A kap krvi=kap nafte u savremenom ratu poznata izjava koju vole mnogi Nato generali.

Ono što je interesantno u ovome svemu s vojne tačke gledišta je kako će se smena vlasti i prestanak jedne diktature i dolazak neke nove odigrati.. Do pre neku godinu sam mogao da se kladim da je u Libiji mogući samo Irački scenario (vojna akcija tj rat u pravom smislu uz upotrebu veće količine svih vidova borbenih sredstava i strategije) ali izgleda da je postalo dovoljno da Američka flota izvrši pregrupisavanje i diktatura pada kao kula od karata. Iskreno iznenađen sam, očekivao sam veći otpor od onolike vojske i Gadafijeve garde, nisu baš pokazali zube, nije ni Sadam ali ipak se držao kako tako. Ako Egipćani koji su do juče bili u haosu završe stvar prašinarskim upadom i manjim maršom na Tripoli e onda se muslimanski svet u mnogome obrukao. Gadafi je veliki filozof i borac za muslimansku 'stvar' koliko je samo pokreta otpora i terorističkih organizacija otvoreno podržavao skro pola veka, neshvatljivo je da ode iz istorije kao neki komesar koji podnese ostavku na mesto predsednika CK jer je 'tako partija htela'. Doduše još nije sve gotovo, mučeništvo je česta pojava u Arapskom svetu videćemo. Ono što je sigurno jeste da će sve ovo u velikoj meri povećati ulog koji ima Ahmedinedžad u svoj režim, jer posle Sadama ima i primer Gadafija... a tu je i Mubarak, a izgleda da će biti još kandidata. Stvarno ova CIA pola sveta upropasti, da čovek ne veruje koliko su im duge ruke. Kad sve ovo vidim, pomislim da smo mi i dobro prošli kako smo se koprcali, malo falilo i Švapsku vladu da oborimo a pitanje je šta bi bilo da smo imali bolja sredstva naročito u vazduhu.  :o

Izvor??? Kolika je stopa nezaposlenosti u Libiji? Koliki je procenat imigranata iz podsaharske Afrike u ukupnom stanovništvu Libije? Koja plemena, i koji klanovi su najbrojniji u toj zemlji? Koliko dugo se čekalo na stan pod Gadafijem?
Unapred hvala! ;)

Tri člana posade holandskog vojnog helikoptera Lynx su zarobljena od strane snaga lojalnih Gadafiju nakon što su pokušali da izvrše misiju spasavanja holandskih radnika pored Sirte. Oni su poleteli sa holandske fregate Tromp koja je usidrena u blizini Libijske obale, a kada su sleteli njih su opkolili libijski vojnici i zarobili ih. U toku su pregovori o oslobađanju posade helikoptera, a vest je do sada držana u tajnosti zkako vesti o tome ne bi negativno uticale na pregovore. Međutim, vest ipak procure, videćemo kako će se ovo završiti.

U svim gibanjima u Tunisu, Egiptu, Jemenu i sličnom imaš organizaciju koja stoji iza toga ovo jeste spontano bar koliko može da to bude ovakav pokret. Upravo je tu Gadafijeva šansa. Ovo su gibanja koja nemaju organizaciju, nemaju vođsdtvo nemaju ništa sem želje da se promeni vlast a to gotovo nikad ne donosi uspeh. Zašto pridajem značaj plaćenicima. Prvo Gadafi ima trupe koje su mu ostale verne makar onaj deo koji potiče iz njemu naklonjenih plemena ali su ovde vrlo bitne snage koje su psihički stabilne i ne podležu panici. Špansa republika je izdržala koliko je izdržala samo zahvaljujući interbrigadistima i sovjetskim savetnicima a i vojnicima. Iako ove interbrigadisti gotovo nikad nisu prelazili 10% oni su bili ti koji su dvali čvrstinu. Upravo su u ovom slučaju plaćenici koji mogu da daju čvrstinu Gadafijevim snagama.
Uostalom videćemo vrlo brzo koje u pravu. Ja ne bi pridavao veliki značaj tome šta se daje na italijanskoj televiziji, znaš kako je šta je babi milo to joj se i snilo ...
U svakom slučaju garantujem da će se do nedelje situacija razbistriti ili će Gadafi da bude kaput ili će da nastane velika bežanija ...
Bili živi pa videli
 :super

Kakvo je stanje u Libijskoj RM , vidim da je marinero postavio slike libijske fregate klase Koni u topiku o tim brodovima. Da li je bilo dezerterstva i kakve su sad aktivnosti RM. Procitao sam u dnevnoj stampi da imaju dve podmornice , 14 patrolnih brodova i dve raketne fregate klase Koni.   Verujrem da zastavnik djemo ima tih informacija ;)   

Kakvo je stanje u Libijskoj RM , vidim da je marinero postavio slike libijske fregate klase Koni u topiku o tim brodovima. Da li je bilo dezerterstva i kakve su sad aktivnosti RM. Procitao sam u dnevnoj stampi da imaju dve podmornice , 14 patrolnih brodova i dve raketne fregate klase Koni.   Verujrem da zastavnik djemo ima tih informacija ;)   

Potrajaće do angažovanja NATO snaga koje deluju "u najboljem interesu libijskog naroda", kako izjavi američki predsednik - i osta živ.

Samo za informaciju - interbrigadisti su bili plaćeni i to prilično dobro. Piloti su pored redovne plate dobijali i premije za svaki izvršeni borbeni zadatak a sa tri četiri pobede mogo si da da stekneš prilično lep imetak. Naravno, i "dobrovoljci" iz Italije i Nemačke su takođe bili odlično plaćeni a i Rusi koji su imali nezamislivo visoke plate po standardima tadašnjeg SSSR-a. Ideologija je ideologija ali su pare - pare. Internacionalisti iz Rusije su pored visokih primanja mogli po povratku u SSSR da biraju i garnizon u kome će da služe uz najmanja dva čina više nego kad su otišli u Španiju i ako ih neki zakačila neka čistka imali su vrlo lepe karijere do 22. juna 1941. E posle toga kako ko. Potpuno ista situacija je bila i sa Nemcima i Italijanima koji su takođe bili plaćani od svojih vlada.
Ostali interbrigadisti koji su služili u inter brigadama republike bili su plaćani od vlade republike - i to da ponovim vrlo dobro (bili su mnogo bolje plaćeni od francuskih legionara u to vreme).

Pa evo samo dve za sada (ali vrlo interesantne) Carlos Fresno, Blindados en Espana, Valjadolid 1991 i Lucas Molina Franco, Blindados en Espana La guerra Civil 1936-1939. Ovo su interesantne knjige jer upravo navode kako su najveći porazi sovjetskih oklopnih jedinica (interesantno u oba slučaja protiv Frankovih Marokanaca) nastali zato što su regulrne pešadijske jedinice republike odbile da prate tenkove dok im se obezbedi plata bar trećina one koju imaju interbrigadisti.
Inače opšte mesto u istoriji avijacije je da je glavni uzrok velikog uspeha nemačkih i italijanskih pilota u početku borbenih dejstava taj što se vazduhoplovstvo republike sastojalo uglavnom od sportskih i saobraćajnih pilota privučenih velikom platom koji uopšte nisu očekivali da će stvarno morati da se bore i nisu imali nikakvo ratno iskustvo. Poznat je slučaj nemačkog pilota koji je u jednom zalazu oborio tri republikanska bombardera Bloh. Ispostavilo se da su posade tih bombardera sačinjavali američki plaćenici klinci stari 19 do 20 godina koji su završili obuku za sportske pilote na svojim koledžima (priprema za rezervne oficire pilote US Air Corps) i koji su došli u Španiju da zarade za školarinu na univerzitetu. Imali su samo 40 do 60 sati naleta na sportskim aviona i 8 sati preobuke na vojne avione (u Španiji) ali pošto se na kursu za buduće rezervne ofiire u Americi učilo i letenje noću odmah su u Španiji dobili da lete i na bombarderima. Bio je to njihov prvi i poslednji borbeni let. Tada je došlo i oko 20 pilota iz holandskoh KLM i to upravo privučenih dobrom zaradom i mnogi, mnogi drugi.

Slažem se sa Vama da je problem najamnika izuzetno složen ne samo sa finansijske nego još više i sa drugih aspekata. Ja sam na jednom drugom topiku naveo primer koji pobuđe pažnju vojnih teoretičara zbog drugog aspekta a to je slučaj pukova iz više nemačkih državica u Velingtonovoj armiji 1815 kod Vaterlo. Nekoliko manjih nemačkih vladara je iznajmilo svoje pukove britanskoj vladi i to na potpuno raspolaganje. Pošto su upravo oni u protiv napadu slomili udarnu moć Napoleonove garde i dan danas se vodi rasprava ko je slomio Napoleona kod Vaterloa - britanska armija ili Nemci. Nemci tvrde da su to bili samo pridruženi kontigenti (doduše plaćeni) a Britanci da su to samo strani plaćenici u britanskoj armiji - a od Vaterloa je prošlo evo već skoro dva veka. Ili šta je Rimska vojska iz vremena Konstantina - profesionalna vojska ili plaćenička armija tipa francuske Legije stranaca i tu postoje podeljena mišljenja. Da li su vojnički redovi popunjavani od hrišćanskog stanovništva u Osmanskom carstvu takođe profesionalni vojnici ili obični plaćenici. Srednovekovna španska pešadija jeste, verovatno, profesionalna vojska, ali šta je Landskneht (tzv nemačka pešadija) koji je popunjavan od probisveta iz gotovo cele tadašnje hrišćanske Evrope.

Frans pres javlja da je vođa pobunjenika u Ras Lanufu pukovnik Bašir Al Magreb izjavio da je jedan od pilota, koji su upravljali avionom Gadafijevih snaga koji je u nedjelju oboren nedaleko od ovog grada Srbin, dok drugi navode da je možda riječ o Libancu ili Sirijcu.  S druge strane, Peter Bukaert iz Hjuman rajts voča kaže da je jedan od pilota borbenog aviona "suhoj" kod sebe imao sudanski pasoš, a da nacionalna pripadnost drugog još nije utvrđena.

Da ih pita čovek što su podigli tromblonske nišane, garant ne bi znali da odgovore! ;D

Ima jedna anegdota vezana za tromblone naše proizvodnje i libijce, nisam siguran da li ću tačno preneti priču, a možda je ovo samo rekla kazala, u tom slučaju shvatite kao vic i ne zamerite, meni zvučalo interesantno...."

Istovremeno sa diskusijom o uvođenju zone zabrane letenja iznad Libije, američki generali smatraju da je ovo idealna prilika da isprobaju F-22 u kombinaciji sa F-16 Wild Weasel namenjenim za suzbijanje protivničke PVO. Naravno, postoje i strahovi da bi mogli da izgube F-22 kao što su izgubili F-117, jer libijci poseduju PVO naoružanje iste generacije kao ono korišćeno u Srbiji.

Ovaj momak je sam svoj majstor...

Slicna prica (samo malo drugacija) ima na temi tromblonska mina ali se odnosi na Egipat :D

http://www.Paluba.info/smf/index.php?topic=969.15

А зар може да се посредно гађа са БсТ-ом?

Rebels forced from Libyan oil port

10 March 2011

Libyan rebels are fleeing the oil port of Ras Lanuf after sustained attacks by forces loyal to Col Muammar Gaddafi.

Rebels were travelling eastwards in vehicles after coming under fire from rockets and shells, reports said. Libyan state TV said pro-Gaddafi troops had also cleared rebels from the oil port of Sidra, west of Ras Lanuf.

In recent days, Col Gaddafi's forces have been trying to regain ground in the rebel-held east, as well as the town of Zawiya, west of Tripoli.


'Running away'

Meanwhile, France has become the first country to recognise the Libyan rebel leadership, the National Transitional Council (NTC), as the country's legitimate government.

It came as Nato met to discuss international military options in the Libyan conflict, including the possibility of imposing a no-fly zone.

There has been fierce fighting in Libya since mid-February, when opponents to Col Gaddafi's 41-year rule took many towns and cities in eastern Libya, in the wake of successful popular uprisings in neighbouring Tunisia and Egypt.


One report on Thursday said that as they advanced on Ras Lanuf, tanks driven by pro-Gaddafi forces had moved to their easternmost position since the conflict began.

A witness in Ras Lanuf said he had seen dozens of dead bodies in the residential part of the town.

A BBC reporter said the Ras Lanuf hospital had been evacuated due to the bombardment, and a mosque had been hit in a residential area where the families of oil workers live.

"Gaddafi is attacking us with planes, tanks, rockets and heavy weapons, we are unarmed civilians and there many families and kids were hit," one Libyan told the BBC.

"We've been defeated," a rebel fighter told AFP news agency. "They are shelling and we are running away. That means that they're taking Ras Lanuf."

But Reuters quoted rebels as denying that the town had fallen.

Government planes also bombed Brega, another oil port further east.

One witness there told the BBC that rebels were able to resist Gaddafi ground troops, but were more vulnerable to air attacks. The air strikes had also been targeting oil facilities, he said.



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12703369

Gaddafi loyalists launch offensive

Forces loyal to Muammar Gaddafi, the Libyan leader, have launched a large-scale offensive, beginning with new air strikes on the eastern oil-producing towns of Ras Lanuf and Brega.

Rebel forces were reported to be retreating from Ras Lanuf, the site of a key oil installation, although they retained control of the residential parts of the town on Friday morning. Gaddafi’s forces had broken into the centre of the town and were clashing with the opposition, the Reuters news agency reported.

Ibrahim al-Alwani, a rebel fighter, said he and comrades still in Ras Lanuf had seen government troops in the town centre.

"I saw maybe 150 men and three tanks," he told Reuters on Friday morning. "I can hear clashes."

The government troops had landed by boat near the Fadeel hotel in Ras Lanuf on Friday, a spokesperson told Reuters.

"Four boats carrying 40 to 50 men each landed there. We are fighting them right now," Mohammed al-Mughrabi said.

Pro- and anti-government forces are locked in intense fighting for control of several other cities and towns along the coastline to the east of Tripoli, including Bin Jawad, as well as in Az Zawiyah to the west of the capital.

In an interview with the Reuters, Gaddafi's son Saif al-Islam said the time had come for full scale military action against the rebels.

"There is no more chance for negotiations with rebels fighting the Libyan government," he said on Thursday.

He said the military would never give up - but would fight in Libya and die in Libya.

In a press conference late on Thursday, Khalid al-Kaim, Libya's deputy foreign minister, reiterated that it was "clear" that most anti-government protesters and fighters were members of al-Qaeda.


Major offensive underway

Al Jazeera's Tony Birtley, reporting from Ras Lanuf, said many had wondered in recent days about "why Gaddafi [had] not employed his full forces".

"Today we've seen those forces in action," he said.

"We were caught right in the middle as his forces out-flanked, and then out-bombed and out-shot the opposition forces. There was sustained aerial and artillery and mortar bombardment, followed by a flanking movement.

"There have been a number of casualties. We've seen trucks going along the highway, but that's being shelled by Gaddafi forces all the way along. I counted ... 50 shells falling.

"We've seen trucks with wounded lying in the back of pick-ups, and I think the casualty toll is going to be high. We also saw and heard extensive ground fire coming from the beach [in the north], we think there's been a flanking movement from the beach.

"But it seems like the major offensive that we thought was going to happen is underway now."

Birtley reported that while many opposition fighters had now left the town, a "hard core" was going back to fight.

He said the attack showed the "professionalism of Gaddafi's troops, and it shows that ... he's hitting back."

Engineers at the town's oil facilities have been burning off poisonous gas in case of a direct hit on the refinery, rebels say.

"We've been defeated. They are shelling and we are running away. That means that they're taking Ras Lanuf," a rebel fighter, dressed in military fatigues who gave his name as Osama, told the AFP news agency.

"The town of Ras Lanuf has been purged of armed gangs and the green flags have been hoisted over all [government] buildings," Libyan state television reported on Thursday evening. The report said that government forces were "advancing on Benghazi".

Мени је невероватно да су стотине милијарди долара утрошене на опремање и обуку војске, да би се испоставило (на обе сукобљене стране) да људи једва знају да рукују тим средствима, о тактици да не говорим. Мислим да код њих недостаје колективни и такмичарски дух. Нису они глупи него размажени, недисциплиновани и од богаства уображени.

Ubedljivo najjača izjava: "Amerika će učiniti ono što je u interesu libijskog naroda" :krsta

Shooter - ti si stvarno naivan!
Razmisli samo koliko vredi Libijska nafta ....

Šta je jeftinije:
potplatiti nekoliko nezadovoljnika (koji mogu da uz sebe vežu određenu masu ljudi - i od toga nastaje nezadovoljna opozicija, koje nakon toga zapad zdušno podržava),
ili
plaćati Gadafiju naftu redovno, po svetskoj ceni - tada pare od prihoda ostaju u Libiji i zapad uzima manji deo kolača.

Ali ako se ima u vidu da se vrednost naftnih rezervi u Libiji procenjuje na oko 6000 milijardi dolara - izazivanjem narodne pobune, svrgavanjem redovne vlasti u zemlji i postavljanjem marionetskog režima - najlaše se dolazi do tog enormnog bogatstva.

 

Shooter,
javno se izvinjavam - nisam koristio diplomatski rečnik, već sam ti se jednostavno obratio kao svakom svom drugaru, sa kojim vodim diskusiju!

Jednostavno, ne slažem se sa tvojim gledanjem i tumačenjem događaja - i to je to!

Još jednom izvini, ako smatraš da sam bio nekorektan!

Al Kaida pozvala na svrgavanje Gadafija? Drago mi je da to čujem. Da li će amerikanac obama sada promeniti mišljenje, pošto se zdušno bori protiv terorizma itd. itd.

As Washington commended the Arab League for approving a proposed no-fly zone over Libya and European powers drew up plans for saving the anti-Qaddafi movement from defeat, Syria began sending Muammar Qaddafi supplies of arms, ammunition and weapons spare parts to sustain his effort to crush the uprising. DEBKAfile's military and intelligence sources report exclusively that over the weekend a Libyan army general arrived at the Syrian Naval command at Tartous to establish a liaison office for organizing military hardware supplies from Damascus to the Libyan army and arrange shipping schedules.
Our sources report that another Libyan official was in Damascus early last week to negotiate with Syrian President Bashar Assad the types of weaponry required, prices and transport arrangements. After he left, Assad ordered Syrian emergency military stores to be opened and civilian freighters chartered to carry the consignments they had decided on across the Mediterranean to Libya.
The Syrian and Libyan arsenals are fairly compatible: both are dominated by Russian military products, Mig and Sukhoi fighters and bombers, T-72 tanks, BM-21 rocket launchers, the same armored personnel carriers and anti-air and anti-tank missiles.
The Libyan-Syrian arms transaction is a landmark in the sense that it is the first time since the Arab revolts erupted in January that one Arab regime has stepped in to help another suppress an uprising.
Damascus is also in violation of last month's Security Council Resolution 1970 whichincluded an arms embargo against the Qaddafi regime and by supplying Libya weapons by sea Assad undermines the Western-Arab effort to introduce a no fly zone to curtail Qaddafi's aerial might.
By this action, Bashar Assad shows contempt for the US President Barack Obama's policy in support of the popular unrest against authoritarian Arab regimes and scorns the indulgence shown him by the US president.
In the last six months, Washington has gone to extreme lengths to establish friendly relations with Damascus – not only restoring the US ambassador after five years, but quietly accepting fresh Syrian meddling in Lebanon.
The Obama administration had hoped that Assad would respond by being helpful on the Palestinian issue and start distancing himself from Tehran. Instead, he has strengthened his military ties with Tehran, granting Iran its first permanent base on the Mediterranean at Tartous.
Now, by replenishing the regime's stocks of arms and ordnance, the Syrian ruler has gone directly against US policy of support for the Libyan opposition and spurred Qaddafi on for his final major offensive to crush the uprising without having to stop and wait for fresh supplies of war materiel. 
In the last 24 hours, rebel militias were pushed out of the two key oil towns of Ras Lanuf and Brega in eastern Libya after losing their footholds in Tripolitania to the west. Pro-Qaddafi forces were landed for the first time by sea Saturday, March 12, at Agilah, 60 kilometers east of Ras Lanuf, indicating that Qaddafi intends to drop  more troops on the coast of Cyrenaica to pursue his thrust into the rebel-held region.
Our military sources report that no obstacles now stand in the path of Qaddafi loyalist troops heading for the rebel center of Benghazi, 200 kilometers from Brega. The rebels have nowhere near the manpower they need to hold Libya's second largest city against a government offensive. There are first signs of an exodus beginning from the city.
US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has scheduled visits to Tunis and Cairo this week and a possible rendezvous with Libyan opposition National Transitional Council leaders in Cairo Tuesday, March 15. That timetable is prone to last-minute changes.

Libyan rebels flee Gaddafi advance

14.03.2011.

Government forces regain key oil town, state TV reports, as anti-Gaddafi rebels fall back towards eastern strongholds.

Libyan armed forces loyal to Muammar Gaddafi have cleared "armed gangs" from the oil-rich town of Brega in the east, an army source told state television on Sunday.

"Brega has been cleansed of armed gangs," the military source was quoted as saying. The report could not immediately be verified. State television has in the past issued false reports claiming territory.

But the claim comes amid a string of setbacks for the rebels who have lost several cities in the east to pro-Gaddafi forces. Brega's fall into the hands of Gaddafi loyalists would deal a further blow to the opposition's morale and momentum.

Pro-Gaddafi forces have been swiftly advancing on the poorly equipped and loosely organised rebels who had seized much of the eastern parts of the country since the uprising against Gaddafi's decades-long rule began last month.

On Saturday, pro-Gaddafi forces pushed the frontline deeper into rebel territory to just 40km outside Brega, the site of a major oil terminal.

The AFP news agency quoted rebel sources as saying government forces were advancing from the west after seizing the town of Uqayla and the village of Bisher 20km from Brega.

The sources said a few pockets were holding out near Bisher.

Retreating fighters, most of them young, were seen on trucks mounted with anti-aircraft guns along the coastal road heading towards Ajdabiya, 80km away, the gateway to the main rebel cities of Benghazi and Tobruk.

No air activity was seen but artillery bombardments were continuing, according to rebel sources.

An initial rush westward from their eastern strongholds had taken the rebels to beyond Ras Lanuf, 40km west of Brega, last week. But Gaddafi's deployment of superior forces has sent them beating a hasty retreat.

Apart from defectors from Gaddafi's army, the rebels have no military experience, few heavy weapons and they are virtually powerless against air attacks.

Al Jazeera's Tony Birtley, reporting from the rebel stronghold of Benghazi, said: "We have to remember that this is not an organised army. This is a group of teachers, engineers, street cleaners - people who have had no association with weapons whatsoever.

"And now they're coming up against very strong, well-equipped forces. And we are seeing a lot of casualties. Basically if it is not sorted out soon, then those casualty figures are going to go up and up and up.

"It's not a very good situation at the moment; it is not looking very positive, quite the reverse."

International pressure is growing for a no-fly zone to be imposed over Libya but the move, approved in a key resolution by the Arab League on Saturday in Cairo, still faces opposition from UN Security Council heavyweights Russia and China.

Libya responded to the Arab League resolution calling it "an unacceptable departure" from the body's charter, state television said on Sunday.

The US hailed the Arab League decision as an "important step".

Izvor: http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2011/03/2011313101739903833.html

Al Džazira je prednjačila u izmišljotinama 1999. godine oko Kosova. Poznata je po tome da je non stop prikazivala snimke srpskih izbeglica 1995. godine kao šiptarske izbeglice. Do kraja je ostala na priči o 100.000 ubijenih Šiptara itd. Inače rukovodilac Al Džazire za region biće Goran Milić koga stariji sigurno dobro pamte jer teško da ima osobe koja je toliko pljuvala po Srbiji.

Istria u ratu prva strada istina i to nije sporno. Meni ne smetaju oni koji se bave propagandom iz ideala ili iz ubeđenja. Meni smetaju oni koji to rade isključivo zbog novca a dotični gospodin je upravo to radio i ostajem pri tome. Znam o njemu mnogo više nego što misliš i on je radio što je radio tvrdim isključivo zbog novca. To je ono što ne trpim.

Romel je pre svega imao problema sa gorivom i municijom.

Vatra ne znam šta je problem Romel je imao problema sa doturom goriva i municije od luka do svojih trupa.

Libyan rebels lose last stronghold west of Tripoli

TOBRUK, Libya – Moammar Gadhafi's forces captured the last rebel-held town west of Tripoli after a heavy barrage of tank and artillery fire Tuesday as regime forces pressed forward in the east.
The victory in Zwara, about 30 miles (50 kilometers) from the Tunisian border, solidifies Gadhafi's hold in his western stronghold, reversing gains made by rebels in several cities early in the uprising against his rule that began on Feb. 15.
Gadhafi's gains in recent days have increased pressure on the U.S. and other Western powers to intervene to stop the bloodshed.
The Obama administration on Monday held its first high-level talks with the Libyan opposition and introduced a liaison to deal full time with their ranks. But it remained undecided about exactly how much support to lend a group it still knows little about while turmoil and uncertainty increase across the Arab world.
Government troops surrounded the town of 45,000 on Monday and bombarded it with tanks and artillery for hours starting in the morning, killing at least four rebel fighters, several residents said.
Rebels conceded that Zwara had been taken by government forces on Tuesday, although sporadic street battles were ongoing.
Most of the fighting was concentrated in the seaside suburbs of the town, leaving residential buildings pockmarked from shrapnel, one rebel said. Most civilians had fled.
The fighter, who spoke on condition of anonymity for fear of reprisals, said rebels were tossing dynamite and shooting at army troops patrolling the town in cars packed with seven to 10 soldiers, many sitting in the open trunks of the vehicles. But he said the attacks were designed to wear down Gadhafi's better-equipped forces, not to defeat them.
"You can't fight an organized army that has tactics and military preparation. But we have people ready to die — our will is greater — and in the end, every oppressor has an end," he said in a telephone interview, as celebratory gunfire from Gadhafi's forces rang out in the background.
Another fighter in Zwara said the rebels were still in "shock" and were quietly walking about town in civilian clothing, trying to assess the situation.
Government troops have scored victories using overpowering bombardments with artillery, tanks, warplanes and warships. Such an assault drove rebel fighters out of the western city of Zawiya last week.
Rebels also have faced a punishing blockade for days in Misrata, Libya's third-largest city, 125 miles (200 kilometers) southeast of Tripoli.
A doctor said naval ships in the Mediterranean port were preventing aid ships from bringing much needed goods.
"We are short on antibiotics and surgery supplies and disposable equipment," the doctor said. "We feel so, so, isolated here. We are pleading with the international community to help us in this very difficult time."
Rebels in the east, meanwhile, were fortifying the town of Ajdabiya against a possible assault by Gadhafi's forces.
Rebel spokesman Ahmed al-Zwei said Tuesday that "intermittent" fighting between the two sides was taking place on a 50-mile (80-kilometer) stretch of road between Ajdabiya and the oil port of Brega. Control of Brega has been split between the rebels and regime forces after days of fierce clashes.
Recapturing Ajdabiya would give Gadhafi's forces a significant boost as they continue to reverse the string of rebels' military successes when they began a march from the opposition-held east of the country to the capital of Tripoli.
On the diplomatic front, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton held a 45-minute meeting late Monday in Paris with a senior Libyan opposition figure after discussing the widening crisis with French President Nicolas Sarkozy. Sarkozy, along with British Prime Minister David Cameron, meanwhile, stepped up calls for world powers to isolate Gadhafi with a no-fly zone, amid diplomatic differences over how much backing to give rebels.
Clinton's closed-door meeting with opposition figure member Mahmoud Jibril in a luxury Paris hotel was shrouded in secrecy until it happened, with neither the time nor the identity of her interlocutors announced beforehand.
Neither Jibril, an official in the newly formed Interim Governing Council based in the eastern Libyan city of Benghazi, nor Clinton appeared or made any comments about their talks. Jibril met with Sarkozy in Paris last week before photographers and journalists.

Zar je jedan njihov Koni prišao pobunjenicima?!

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Изгледа је на месту лансера Оса постављен ЗУ-23 - што вероватно значи да или немају ракете или је тотално неисправан.
А кад су поред АК топова поставили далеко лошији ЗУ, значи да и они нису у сјајном стању...

Није ми јасно а шта ће им уопште бродови ( и друга сложенија техника). Не знају да рукују, не знају да употребе (сами), не знају да одржавају, не знају да обучавају нови кадар. Шта ће им то? Да неко постане адмирал (генерал)?!

Gadafiju idu na ruku demontracije u Bahreinu i Saudijskoj Arabiji.

Očigledno. Na djelu su dvostruki standardi.

Vathra,
automatski topovi AK-230, AK-630, AK-257 (na nanuškama), AK-726 i sl. su deo mornaričkog artiljerijskog arsenala kojim su naoružani brodovi iz bivše SSSR.
Kolika im je efikasnost - ne znam, ali prema onom što čitam zaostaju za zapadnim topovima istih kalibara.

NJihova uloga u sukobima ovakvog tipa kakav se sada odvija u Libiji, ne može da bude nikako drugačija, nego samo podrška kopnenim trupama u njihovom napredovanju.
Ali, to je mač sa dve oštrice: brodovi su veoma skupi i veoma ranjivi, tako da je slaba verovatnoća da će oni prići blizu obale, osim kao demonstracija sile u područjima koja su već očišćena od pobunjeničkih oružanih formacija.

Gaddafi shells city, threatens rebel stronghold



(Reuters) - Muammar Gaddafi's forces bombarded Libya's third largest city with artillery fire and advanced on the rebel stronghold of Benghazi on Wednesday as diplomatic steps to prevent him quelling a revolt ran aground.

In Geneva, former French foreign minister Bernard Kouchner berated the international community for its delay in imposing a no-fly zone, saying it was already too late to save lives.

"A no-fly zone is a minimum. It's certainly already too late," Kouchner said of the crackdown on the revolt, an increasingly vulnerable-looking uprising inspired by pro-democracy rebellions that toppled the Egyptian and Tunisian presidents.

"We've known since three weeks that the poor civil society, the poor people, are dying. And we are doing nothing," he told World Radio Switzerland.

In Benghazi, seat of the insurgents' provisional national council, the mood was a mixture of defiance and nervousness, with some citizens predicting a bloodbath and others confident the rebels would still snatch victory.

Italy, a potential base for a no-fly zone proposed by Britain and France, ruled out military intervention in the oil-exporting north African country.

"We cannot have war, the international community should not, does not want and cannot do it," Foreign Minister Franco Frattini said in Rome.

A newspaper in Benghazi reported that a Russian-made MiG-36 aircraft, operated by the rebels, had bombed the airport at Al Kardabiya near Gaddafi's hometown of Sirte on Wednesday.

The Brnieq newspaper said the bombing raid was in retaliation for an attack by warplanes on Benghazi's airport. Libya's Jana state news agency quoted the director of Sirte airport as saying the report was "false and unfounded."

Both the rebel administration and the government in Tripoli have in the past few days put out information about military gains which has later turned out to be untrue.

But the rebels' position looked highly vulnerable after the government said its troops took control of the junction at Ajdabiyah, opening the way to Benghazi.

The Libyan army told residents of Benghazi to lay down their arms, and one of Gaddafi's sons, Saif al-Islam, told Euronews TV that Libya's second largest city would fall whether or not there was a no-fly zone.

"Everything will be over in 48 hours," he said.

Saif, once seen as Libya's Western-friendly face, lashed out at President Nicolas Sarkozy for being the first foreign leader to condemn Gaddafi and back the rebel Libyan National Council, calling him a "clown."

He said Libya had contributed to Sarkozy's 2007 election campaign financing and demanded he return the money. Sarkozy's office denied that he had accepted any funding from Libya.

France confident of deal on U.N. Libya resolution

(Reuters) - France believes it can secure backing for a draft U.N. Security Council resolution on a no-fly zone over Libya with more signs Arab countries would participate in military action, its foreign minister said on Wednesday.

"I have several reasons to think we will achieve our objective," Foreign Minister Alain Juppe told parliament.

"We will only act with a U.N. Security Council mandate and with not only the support, but the active participation of Arab countries," he added.

Juppe said the draft resolution widened sanctions on Libya and "opened the way to use all necessary ways to stop the Gaddafi offensive" against a rebel uprising that is trying to end 41 years of authoritarian rule.

Russia and Germany have expressed doubts over whether a no-fly zone is advisable or would work, and a Group of Eight foreign ministers meeting in Paris this week failed to get the agreement France was hoping for to support such an action.

Juppe, as part of his drive for full backing for a no-fly zone, wrote earlier on Wednesday in his blog that France had received assurances from several Arab countries that they were ready to take part in a military intervention.

"This condition is being fulfilled," he wrote, adding that it was not too late to take action.

"It is not enough to proclaim ... that Gaddafi must go. We have to provide the means to help those who have taken up arms against his dictatorship," he added.

"Only the threat of using force can stop Gaddafi. It's by bombing, with his few dozen planes and helicopters, the opposition positions that the Libyan dictator has switched the balance."

(Reporting By John Irish and Marc Angrand; Editing by Catherine Bremer and Tim Pearce)

Fazon je dok jedan objavi, ostali prepisuju vest.
Yahoo je objavio vest sa AP, SF Gate takodje. Record je potpisao samo autore, "By Diaa Hadid and Ryan Lucas" - koji pišu za AP.

Ah, Laza je Laza, tu nema zbora...

Mada, da se vratimo na Libijsku džamahiriju. Lično, čim vidim da izjave daju Kušner i bratija, Gadafi mi odmah postane draži... :)
Iz izveštaja se može videti da gadja grad iz svega raspoloživog, a da su pobunjenici uzleteli sa dva aviuona i napali ni manje ni više nego brod libijske RM. Čime? Mitraljezom? Onda i nemaju mnogo pameti i Gadafiju će biti lako da im skrha vrat. Da ne ulazimo u raspravu koliko je teško pripremiti nekog oldtajmera za let, pa sve i da imaš pilota koji će leteti (možda uzeli onu dvojicu sa Malte).

Sa druge strane, Gadafi im ostavlja netaknut aerodrom sa sve avionima? Nešto se tu baš i ne slaže....

Istria,
zašto daješ pobunjenicima još 20% šansi?
nisam stručnjak, ali koliko čitam, oni su u bezglavom begu.
Imaju šanse za reorganizaciju i kontraofenzivu?

Ma to im je Istria čisto iz kurtoazije dao 20% šansi. ;D

Sarkozi je bio motiviran mozda da (u ocaju) fascinira svoju suprugu; udario u prazno u oba pravca.

Cccccc... Kakva šteta što demokratske vođe ovog jadnog sveta nemaju još 3-4 nosača u rezevi... Ali, do sledeće prilike izgradiće oni te nedostajuće, pa će ceo svet dobiti demokratiju po glavi stanovnika! (oko 2,5 kg demokratskog TNT po glavi)

Cccccc... Kakva šteta što demokratske vođe ovog jadnog sveta nemaju još 3-4 nosača u rezevi... Ali, do sledeće prilike izgradiće oni te nedostajuće, pa će ceo svet dobiti demokratiju po glavi stanovnika! (oko 2,5 kg demokratskog TNT po glavi)

Shortly before the UN Security Council met Thursday, March 17, to discuss a no-fly zone resolution for Libya, Moscow promised Washington and other Western capitals not to apply a veto, DEBKAfile's sources report exclusively. The US, British, French, UAE and Qatar air forces were on standby to attack Libyan army targets as soon as the resolution is passed. If attacked, Libya threatens retaliation against civilian and military targets in Europe and the Middle East, according to a statement from the Defense Ministry in Tripoli..
In Tunis, US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton explained that a UN no-fly zone over Libya "would require the bombing of targets to take out the threat posed by Muammar Qaddafi's regime."
She spoke after Cairo rejected Washington's request for the use of Egyptian air bases to enforce the no fly zone against Libya and from which to launch US air attacks on Qaddafi's army. This too is disclosed by DEBKAfile's exclusive sources.
Earlier Thursday, March 17, DEBKAfile reported: Shortly before she left Egypt for Tunis Wednesday, March 16, US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton urgently asked the head of Egypt's military junta Field Marshal Mohammed Tantawi for permission to use Egyptian air bases for American military jets to enforce a no-fly zone over Libya. This is reported exclusively by DEBKAfile's military and Washington sources.
Clinton told Tantawi she hoped for UN Security Council approval of the no-fly zone at its special session Thursday March 17. But this might not be enough to stop Muammar Qaddafi's advance and the US might have to resort to military action against his army. She did not elaborate on this. In Tunis, she said later that a UN no-fly zone over Libya would require the bombing of targets to take out the threat posed by Muammar Qaddafi's regime.
DEBKAfile's sources say the White House is weighing the option of US aerial strikes for halting Qaddafi's march on Benghazi, Libya's second largest city and the primary rebel stronghold. The point of this action would be less to preserve rebel control of the city and more to keep Qaddafi from proclaiming his victory over the opposition to his rule and its foreign champions.
Another part of the plan under consideration in Washington would entail strikes against Qaddafi's government and military centers in Tripoli, the capital.
Tantawi promised Clinton to convene the Supreme Military Council Thursday before the Security Council session and inform her of its decision before she flies out of the Middle East.
According to our Washington sources, the Pentagon proposes to use the big Egyptian air base at El Mansoura in the Nile Delta for enforcing the no-fly zone and launching air attacks on Libya.
The Obama administration's U-turn on direct military intervention in Libya was discernable early Thursday morning (Wednesday night Washington time) in the remarks of America's UN Ambassador Susan Rice:
She said: "The US view is that we need to be prepared to contemplate steps that include, but perhaps go beyond, a no-fly zone, at this point, as the situation on the ground has evolved and as a no-fly zone has inherent limitations in terms of protection of civilians at immediate risk."
By "the situation on the ground," she was referring to Qaddafi's three army columns, reinforced with thousands of fighters from the Warefla tribal federation, which are rapidly advancing on Benghazi.
DEBKAfile's military sources report that the Saadi and Khamis brigades, the latter being the 32nd Libyan Brigade most of whose troops move in APCs, are approaching the last rebel stronghold.
They are backed by an artillery brigade and a tank brigade. From the west, Libyan missile ships have blockaded Benghazi.
Our sources add that Libyan army units based in Benghazi went into action ahead of the main body's arrival. Those troops were caught by the onset of the Libyan uprising on Feb. 15 in rebel-held territory. They stood by and waited for Qaddafi's orders to go into battle.
Another sign of President Obama's strong inclination to undertake military action beyond a no-fly zone came from the deployment Monday, March 14 of the nuclear attack submarine USS Providence off the Libyan coast.
In the past decade, this submarine has often been called in to support US missile attacks, usually with Tomahawk, whether in 2003 in Iraq or in Afghanistan.
The US fleet present off the Libyan coast includes also the marine assault ship USS Kearsarge, which is a helicopter carrier; the Marine Amphibious Transport Docks vessel and the missile destroyers USS Barry, USS Ponce and USS Mason.
The American aircraft carrier USS Enterprise, now near the Red Sea, could also be called in for an American missile attack on Libya.

Gadafi:napad bez milosti na Bengazi!


17.3.2011



TRIPOLI - Libijski lider Moamer Gadafi izjavio je u četvrtak veče da će državne snage večeras napasti Bengazi - uporište pobunjenika na istoku zemlje, u audio poruci koju je emitovala državna televizija.

"Odluka je doneta. Spremite se, dolazimo večeras", rekao je Gadafi. On je takođe obećao oprost svim pobunjenicima koji se predaju. "Mi ćemo loviti izdajnike Bengazija", naglasio je Gadafi i dodao: "Završićemo sa ovom predstavom. Uništite njihova utvrđenja, nemajte milosti, svet mora da vidi da je Bengazi slobodan".

Pobunjenici su "iskoristili, begunce iz zatvora, kriminalce i ubice i dali im oružije da bi im pomogli u izdaji protiv vlasti", kazao je Gadafi. Oni "crpe svoju snagu iz laži, ne treba ih štedeti, treba ih loviti u svokom kvartu, svakoj ulici i svakoj kući.

Oni koji predaju oružje ne treba da strepe", rekao je on. "Oslobodio sam Bengazi sasvojim pištoljem (1. septembra 1969), Bengazi me neće izdati".

"Nećemo ustupiti ni pedalj naše zemlje, nećemo prepustiti Bengazi nekolicini izdajnika", rekao je libijski lider. Revolt protiv režima Moamer Gadfija koji je na vlasti već 42 godine počeo je sredinom februara.

Bengazi je sedište tranzicionog Nacionalnog saveta koji je vladajuće telo osnovano od strane pobunjenika. Zauzimajući nekoliko gradova na istoku Gadafijeve snage su "otvorile" kapiju ka Bengaziju navela je državna televizija.

LIBYA: Air Strikes Are "Imminent" According To The French

Joe Weisenthal | Mar.18,2011.

 
It's been a bit less than 12 hours since the UN Security Council voted to impose a no-fly zone in Libya.

There have been no strikes yet.

But according to Al-Jazeera, the French say they're coming imminently. Others have apparently said that strikes won't happen until Sunday.

It seems possible that the timing of strikes could have something to do with what Qaddafi's forces do with Benghazi.

Remember that yesterday Qaddafi warned that his army would come to Benghazi and not show any mercy to any rebels found with weapons.

Canadian fighter jets to head to Libya

March 17,2011

Canada will send six CF-18 fighter jets to southern Europe to help enforce a no-fly zone over Libya, defence sources told QMI Agency.

Fighter jets from CFB Bagotville in Quebec are expected to head to Europe as soon as various diplomatic clearances are obtained.

A spokesman for Defence Minister Peter MacKay, though, would not provide official confirmation of the mission.

"We do not comment on speculation and this is an unconfirmed story," said MacKay spokesman Jay Paxton.

After days of debate, the United Nations Security Council decided on Thursday to "establish a ban on all flights in the airspace" over Libya.

"Today the Security Council has responded to the Libyan people's cry for help," said Susan Rice, U.S. ambassador the UN.

The mission for fighter jets from Canada and other countries could involve a combination of targeting infrastructure that is important to the Libyan Air Force, such as radar installations, or attempting to shoot down any Libyan Air Force jets.

That said, the mandate from the UN security council authorizes "all necessary measures" be taken short of invading Libya in order to protect Libyan citizens and rebels from attacks by forces loyal to Libyan Leader Moammar Gadhafi.

Libya ready for ceasefire with rebels: deputy foreign minister


March 18, 2011

Libya is ready for a ceasefire with the rebels battling Muammar Gaddafi, but wants to discuss how it will be implemented, deputy foreign minister Khaled Kaaim says.

"We are ready for this decision (a ceasefire) but we require an interlocutor to discuss how to implement it," Kaaim told a news conference shortly after the UN Security Council voted to permit "all necessary measures" to impose a no-fly zone, protect civilian areas and impose a ceasefire.

"We discussed last night with the UN envoy (for Libya, Jordan's Abdul Ilah Khatib) and asked legitimate questions on the application of a ceasefire," he said.

Kaaim indicated that Libya would "react positively to the UN resolution, and we will prove this willingness while guaranteeing protection to civilians."

The Security Council authorised air strikes to halt Gaddafi's offensive against embattled rebel forces in the North African country, with the first bombing raids possible within hours.

American broadcaster CNN also reports Gaddafi has changed tact with "a humanitarian gesture", deciding to hold off on plans to send the army in to Benghazi and mercilessly crush all resistance, as had been promised.

"I just took a phone call from one of Gaddafi's sons, Seif (al-Islam). This is the message from the leadership," the CNN correspondent in Tripoli said.

"He said they're going to change the tactics around Benghazi, that the army is not going to go into Benghazi.

"It's going to take up positions around the stronghold.

"The reason is they expect a humanitarian exodus."

Europe Air Traffic Agency: Libya Closes Airspace

Published March 18, 2011, Associated Press

BRUSSELS  -- Europe's air traffic control agency says Libya has closed its airspace to all traffic.
The move Friday comes a day after the U.N. Security Council authorized a no-fly zone overLibya and "all necessary measures" to stop strongman Muammar Qaddafi from launching attacks on his own people. The United States, France and Britain are now discussing how to enforce the no-fly zone.

In a brief statement to airlines on Friday, Eurocontrol said, "The latest information from Malta indicates that Tripoli (air control center) does not accept traffic."

The agency's map of air traffic over Europe and the Mediterranean showed that Libyan air space was off limits.

Sad je Gadafi kriv što je Sarkozi niži od žene 10-12 centimetara i mlađi 15-20 godina?! Svašta.

Sad je Gadafi kriv što je Sarkozi niži od žene 10-12 centimetara i mlađi 15-20 godina?! Svašta.

People gather around the smoldering remains of an aircraft after it crashed north of Benghazi, Libya, Thursday, March 17, 2011. Witnesses said the aircraft was piloted by anti-Gadhafi rebels and crashed for mechanical reasons. Libyan rebels used three of their own seized planes and some helicopters to attack government troops fighting to advance on the city of Benghazi, said Mustafa Gheriani, a spokesman in the rebel base. Gadhafi's forces encircled a key eastern city and his warplanes went deeper into rebel-held territory to bombard Benghazi's airport Thursday, threatening an all-out offensive to bring down the rebellion. (AP Photo/Alaguri)

Francuzi su ti najpodmukla nacija na planeti.

U njegovim ocima - kriv moze biti - svatko.... :(

Ja mislim da je krajnji cilj ove međunarodne akcije razbijanje Libije na nekoliko manjih plemenskih država, pa da se one podele na ''interesne'' zone između Francuske, Britanije, Italije i još ponekog (nešto slično kao što je bilo na Kosovu) i da se tamo u tom novoformiranom  haosu potkupi vlast i da se nafta i gas izvlače u već navedene zemlje ....

Žalosno ali istinito - rezultat ove odluke UN će sigurno biti još veće stradanje civila, jer Gadafiju lojalne snage se neće olako predati. Da su pustili Gadafija još dva dana, on bi preuzeo kontrolu nad celom zemljom, sigurno bi se krvavo obračunao sa vođama pobunjenika, ali bi se situacija u toj zemlji relativno brzo vratila u normalu. Ali u tom slučaju zapad bi ostao bez Libijske nafte.

Zapravo sve veće akcije UN u poslednje vreme su izazvale haos i masovno stradanje civila u zemljama gde god su reagovali svetski moćnici; pogledajmo samo Irak i ''demokratiju'' u toj zemlji koju grade Ameri, pa Afganistan.

Ne brine zapad stradanje civila, takve izjave su fasada za lakoverne, već je jedini cilj domoći se nafte - po svaku cenu! U toj borbi se ne biraju sredstva i ne broje se žrtve.

I neka mi neko posle svega ovoga što se u Libiji desilo u poslednjih mesec i nešto dana kaže da je to ''spontana'' reakcija naroda ....  

NIje mi jasan stav Kine i Rusa, zašto su dozvolili izglasavanja ovakve rezolucije, zašto nisu stavili veto? Kakav je njihov interes u Libijskom haosu?

Libya attack: Sarko will claim the diplomatic win, so let him send the first planes

By Richard Preston Politics Last updated: March 18th, 2011

With the US uncertain how to proceed (or tactically hanging back to allow the vote to go the right way), Nicolas Sarkozy can claim that French diplomatic manoeuvring secured the UN Security Council decision.

So let’s hope his sense of urgency extends to making sure French Rafales and Mirages are the first jets into Libyan airspace (with some help from the Arab League). Or will it be RAF Tornados running up the first tab?  Sarko could send his aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle, though when we last read about it, it wasn’t seaworthy.

Libya: I’ll attack passenger jets, warns Gaddafi, as air strikes loom


By Robert Winnett,, Deputy Political Editor, Jon Swaine in New York and Richard Spencer in Tripoli
 18 Mar 2011


Western forces could launch bombing raids against the Libyan
regime as early as Friday after the UN backed international military action.

Colonel Gaddafi threatened retaliatory attacks on passenger aircraft in the Mediterranean last night if foreign countries launched air strikes against Libya.

“Any foreign military act” would expose “all air and maritime traffic in the Mediterranean Sea” as targets for a counter attack, the Libyan regime said.

The warning was issued after America formally backed a joint British and French initiative for a no-fly zone over Libya and other military action against Col Gaddafi’s regime.

Amid growing international concern at the deteriorating situation in the country, the first bombing raids, possibly by unmanned drones, could happen as early as today. There were reports last night that the first attacks would be unilateral actions by British and French air forces with logistical support from Arab states.

The United Nations was meeting to discuss the plan as Col Gaddafi’s troops massed on the outskirts of Benghazi, the last stronghold of rebel fighters.

"We accept the UN resolution. We accept peace fire. We stop all military actions"

Bili bi lijepo da Francuzi objasne čime misle da otpočnu napade u "narednih nekoliko sati".

Libye : le porte-avions Charles-de-Gaulle pourrait appareiller lundi


Selon des informations non confirmées officiellement, le porte-avions Charles-de-Gaulle devrait appareiller lundi pour intervenir dans la guerre de Libye. Il y a deux semaines, cette intervention était jugée peu probable par les marins eux-même. Le Charles-de-Gaulle est rentré à Toulon le 21 février au terme d'une mission de près de quatre mois dans l'Océan indien.

Ovo je inače autentični pripadnik libijskog naroda... na strani pobunjenika.
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Inače, kako svi, jel'te, javljaju - samo je Gadafi angažovao plaćenike.

Da li treba ovaj topik preimenovati u nešto kao "Demokratija dolazi i u Libiju?" :(

Kad ih sad NATOvci razlupaju stvarno će samo te koze da im ostanu na čuvanje  ;D  Naftu će im sigurno pokupiti. E Gadafi šta učini od svog naroda.  :o

Samo mi se u zadnje vreme jako čudno piše demokratija. Demokratija=marionetska vlada a narod je to hteo. Da li je baš tako?

Na militaryphotos.net su napisali da je ovo pobunjenicki mig-23 MLD.Meni se nesto ne veruje da su uspeli da dignu ovako kompleksnu masinu kao sto je mig-23 MLD.

Inače, prema nemačkom magazinu Fokus, SAS (Special Air Service) i SBS (Special Boat Service) operativci su na terenu u Libiji već dve nedelje. Čisto za info, da ostane i to zabeleženo ...

http://www.focus.de/politik/ausland/...id_610285.html

I meni je to upalo u oci, mada su mi nekako prevse udaljeni jedan od drugog.
Znaci da postoji mogucnost da je u pitanju avion MiG-23UB, kao dvoseda varijanta aviona.

12.30 Odbjegli ministar unutarnjih poslova Abdel Fatah Yunes je čini se ponovno lojalan Gadafiju. Libijska državna televizija objavila je svježe snimke na kojima Fatah Yunes sa smješkom grli Gadafija.

A možda da se reaktiviraš pa da odeš i u vojnu intervenciju humanitarnog karaktera ;D

I meni je to upalo u oci, mada su mi nekako prevse udaljeni jedan od drugog.
Znaci da postoji mogucnost da je u pitanju avion MiG-23UB, kao dvoseda varijanta aviona.

Živeću iz inata ako treba još 100 godina, samo da dočekam da pošaljem i ja humanitarnu pomoć Amerima - nešto stare odeće da se obuku i malo pirinča, da znaju ko je gazda.

UN najveca hohstaplerska skupina sto postoji!

Evo malopre sam napravio par skrinova sa pobunjeničkog sajta gde ide prenos uživo, sa onog linka što je Zaća postavio.

Zarobljeni oklop u Bengaziju.

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Nego, šta ćemo kad ono malo Arapa digne "socijalni bunt" u Francuskoj? Hoće li se praviti "no-fly" zona i ostali festivali?

@furuna_masina
Nije, bio na nekom kursu veze u Engleskoj, a završio je VA u Libiji.

Zar nije završio u Mostaru?

Evo na wikiju, piše da je završio Kraljevsku akademiju u Grčkoj.

Da ne prevodim.
Libijski voditelj Gadafi se je šolal v nekdanji Jugoslaviji. V Mostarju, kjer je obiskoval letalsko akademijo, je spoznal tudi svojo drugo ženo, Hrvatico Safijo Farkaš, poročajo hrvaški mediji.

Druga soproga libijskega voditelja Moamerja Gadafija, Safija Farkaš Gadafi, je Hrvatica iz Mostarja, poročajo hrvaški mediji. Čeprav navajajo, da je zgodba znana že nekaj let, pa ob tem izpostavljajo, da hrvaška javnost ni bila seznanjena z dejstvom, da se je Gadafi v 60. letih prejšnjega stoletja šolal v nekdanji Jugoslaviji.

Kot na svoji spletni strani poroča Jutarnji list, je libijski voditelj preživel več let v bivši Jugoslaviji v okviru mednarodne izmenjave študentov. V Mostarju je obiskoval predavanja na letalski akademiji takratne jugoslovanske armade (JLA).

Tam je spoznal tudi Sofijo Farkaš, ki je bila precej znana v tem največjem hercegovskem mestu. Njena družina se je konec 19. stoletja v času Avstro-Ogrske monarhije preselila iz Petrinje na Hrvaškem v Mostar.

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Francuski avioni su uništili 4 oklopna vozila jugoistočno od Bengasia.

RTS javlja da je na zgradi suda u Bengaziju (centar grada, valjda) istaknuta zelena zastava...

Verovatno Gadafi sada želi da dovede ceo svet pred svršen čin, računa ako nema pobunjenika, nemaju zbog koga da bombarduju, ali tu se prevario, oni su već odlučili da je on meta i dok ne ode, bombardovanje neće stati.

U drugom talasu napada, u kojem će učestvovati i SAD, planira se napad na Gadafijevu palatu.

Što se Gadafija tiče, gotov je! Više nema apsolutno nikakav legitimitet da vodi Libiju, pošto je vlast pokušavao da zadrži terorom, plaćenicima i dejstvima višecevnim bacačima raketa po sopstvenim gradovima.

Ovih dana ću da oformim grupu na FB za podršku Libiji tj. za podršku Gadafiju.

Potvrđeno je da su Gadafijevi vojnici oborili jedan avion koji je pripadao pobunjenicima", izjavio je Stojčić.

Možda ih nisu dobro naučili šta treba slikat i kako se fabriciraju slike za demokratsku štampu.

:super

Sad neka okrenu nišane na Francuze i ostale.

21.10 - Америчке крстареће ракете, испаљене са бродова из Средоземља, погодиле циљеве код Триполија и Мисрате

Cena nafte će porasti u svakom slučaju. Svi ćemo mi plaćati godinama ovo uterivanje demokratije.

Na Libiju ispaljeno već preko 110 Tomahawk, nisu planirali operaciju, al kad su već tu.

Na Libiju ispaljeno već preko 110 Tomahawk, nisu planirali operaciju, al kad su već tu.

Verovatno su gađali spavaću sobu Gadafijevu. Ameri imaju veliko iskustvo u tome.

Na Libiju ispaljeno već preko 110 Tomahawk, nisu planirali operaciju, al kad su već tu.