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Title: Нови Yugoimport-ови речни патролни чамци
Post by: Adler on September 11, 2014, 02:13:44 pm
На редизајнираном сајту СДПР-а налетех и на рекламу овог речног патролног чамца са тт подацима и сликама како би изгледао / ће изгледати.

yugoimport.com (http://www.yugoimport.com/en/proizvodi/river-patrol-vessel)

River patrol vessel (RPV) is high performance assault vessel. It will be capable to reach 40kts with full load. Crew will be 6-8 men, depends on weapon arrangement, and it will be capable to carry 8-6 passengers. Autonomy of RPV will be 8 hours on cruising speed. Dimensions of vessel are:
Loa=11m
Boa=3.4m
T=0.7m

Vessel will be transported by land on trailer. For air lift there will be several connection points on hull. Connection points can be used for helicopter air lift or parachute drop.

RPV can be used in wide variety of actions. Fast insert or extraction of troops, river patrol duty, blockade of ports are just some of actions in which RPV can be used. Since it is small it can be easily hidden in river bank with camouflage net during day and penetrate deep in enemy territory during night, make diversion actions on enemy facilities or vessels. With crew which is well trained it can be deadly and invisible to enemy radars and eyes.

Hull
Hull of RPV will be completely built from marine grade aluminum alloy. Hull will be deep V with specific bow region. Bow region will be defined in such way to make big spray of water. This spray will hide boat and weapon operators. Bow region will be strengthen in areas which will hit ground in landing actions.

Double bottom areas will be filled with PU foam which will ensure that even in case of solid damage of hull, vessel will still float. Fuel oil tanks will be placed in separate space formed of engine room bulkhead and three more bulkheads. In double bottom will be several compartments for ammunition and miscellaneous. Bow compartment fore of collision bulkhead will be filled with PU foam.

Hull will be foreseen with large hatches for easy access to engine and jet units. Hatches will be insulated with sound and thermal insulation materials. Gas springs will be provided to hold hatch in open position.

Stern will be foreseen with platform which will be used as cover for jet units and platform for water access. Platform deck will be perforated to prevent water to stay on it.

In aft part of cockpit, next to engine room bulkhead, two bilge wells will be placed. All side bulkheads of cockpit will be foreseen with railings from inner side. Cockpit deck and all decks will be covered with anti slip cover.

Command desk will be placed in middle of vessel. It will be built in such way to protect boat operator. Removable side doors will be possible as option. One movable seat will be placed in helmsman protection zone. Behind seat will be placed foldable mast.

Propulsion and maneuvering
RPV will be equipped with two diesel engines 440-480HP and two jets. Engines will be electronically operated together with jets. They will be with wet exhaust for low noise and thermal footprint.

Ship systems
04.01. Fuel system
RPV will have two tanks, placed below cockpit in double bottom, Both tanks will have el. level indicators with level gauge in helm position. Tanks will be made from aluminum and they will have as big as possible hand holes on top. Filling positions will be placed on sheer strake. Filling cap will be with splash prevention system with integrated air breather. Air breather line will be foreseen with no smell filters. Fast closing valve will be remotely operated from helm position. Each engine will have its own fuel filter/water separator. Fuel filters will be double and manually operated. They will be installed on easy access place. Visual alarm for water in fuel will be placed in helm position.

04.02. Cooling & exhaust system
Fresh water for cooling system will be taken from four intake strainers, two for each engine. Each strainer will have easy accessible manually operated ball valve. Strainers will (даље фали текст на сајту)...

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Title: Re: Нови Yugoimport-ови речни патролни чамци
Post by: Adler on September 11, 2014, 02:18:10 pm
Још пар сличица:

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Title: Re: Нови Yugoimport-ови речни патролни чамци
Post by: kumbor on September 11, 2014, 02:41:48 pm

А ту је можда и одговор за кога је пројектован онај 30мм топ на ниској турели са "Партнера 2013".


Title: Re: Нови Yugoimport-ови речни патролни чамци
Post by: Trifko on September 11, 2014, 05:39:36 pm
Bilo je odavno vrijeme da redizajn njihove stranice, a sa samim redizajnom vidim da su uznapredovali smanjili su korišćenje Photoshop-a što je pozitivno i počeli su ozbiljnije raditi u Solidworks-u ili nekom sličnom programu.


Title: Re: Нови Yugoimport-ови речни патролни чамци
Post by: Adler on September 11, 2014, 05:45:22 pm
Stranicu na stranu, koliko je ovo realno da se napravi, ima li smisla(tržište, isplativost...), treba li VS ili graničnoj policiji ovakvo plovilo i sl. pitanja. Ili je to poput novog Orla kog reklamiraju na redizajniranom sajtu?


Title: Re: Нови Yugoimport-ови речни патролни чамци
Post by: dzumba on September 11, 2014, 06:36:52 pm
Ovaki naoružano plovilo je, rekao bih samo za borbu, ratovanje na rekama i uz reke. Za nešto drugo je preteško naoružan. Ono, naoružanje koje je prikazano ne mora biti (može ga bit i manje i u drugoj konfiguraciji), važnije je samo plovilo. A kakvo je, odnosno kako bi se ponašalo u vodi teško je reći. Možda neko od brodarskih inžinjera mogne štogod da kaže. Lično mislim da ovakva plovila imaju smisla u realnim borbenim uslovima jer vidim da je ovaj brod oklopljen. Možda bi RF trebala da ima par ovakvih brodova radi obuke, veže i korišćenja u nekim situacijama.


Title: Re: Нови Yugoimport-ови речни патролни чамци
Post by: Adler on February 23, 2015, 07:47:55 pm
Da li je ovaj naš s obzirom da je fotografija sa sajma u Dubajiu objavljena pod naslovom "Veliko interesovanje za srpsku namensku industriju"?

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Title: Re: Нови Yugoimport-ови речни патролни чамци
Post by: dzumba on February 23, 2015, 09:25:12 pm
Борбени чамац на оним фотошоп сликама делује већи. Овај на слици из Дубајија је баш чамац и осим војника у њему ми не делује "борбено". Али, врло је могуће да је то нека варината из СДПР-а.


Title: Re: Нови Yugoimport-ови речни патролни чамци
Post by: Gazda on February 24, 2015, 03:57:04 pm
Ovaki naoružano plovilo je, rekao bih samo za borbu, ratovanje na rekama i uz reke. Za nešto drugo je preteško naoružan. Ono, naoružanje koje je prikazano ne mora biti (može ga bit i manje i u drugoj konfiguraciji), važnije je samo plovilo. A kakvo je, odnosno kako bi se ponašalo u vodi teško je reći. Možda neko od brodarskih inžinjera mogne štogod da kaže. Lično mislim da ovakva plovila imaju smisla u realnim borbenim uslovima jer vidim da je ovaj brod oklopljen. Možda bi RF trebala da ima par ovakvih brodova radi obuke, veže i korišćenja u nekim situacijama.
Meni na prvi pogled ovaj top na pramcu izgleda malo pretežak.Kolika je težina takvog oružja?


Title: Re: Нови Yugoimport-ови речни патролни чамци
Post by: kumbor on February 24, 2015, 06:16:02 pm

Ako je top 30mm, onda je taj model bio na partneru 2013. Ručno upravljani lafet, ali teško da je lakši od tone sa instalacionim prstenom.


Title: Re: Нови Yugoimport-ови речни патролни чамци
Post by: Gazda on February 24, 2015, 07:25:50 pm
Za tu brzinu treba nekih 900-1000 ks, šta znači da bi motori težili oko tonu(cummins qsb 6.7 ima 500 kila po komadu npr).Mislim da bi prova dosta išla dole sa tom težinom naprijed.


Title: Re: Нови Yugoimport-ови речни патролни чамци
Post by: Adler on February 24, 2015, 08:02:10 pm
Kad smo već kod SDPR-ovih plovila, na sajt su stavili novi čamac pod oznakom Serbian Patrol Boat (http://www.yugoimport.com/en/proizvodi/serbian-patrol-boat). Evo šta piše o njemu:

Serbian Patrol Boat design is representing a modern solution for wide range of armed conflicts at rivers, lakes as well as littoral/green/blue water area conflicts scenarios belonging to assimetric warfare, including anti-piracy and anti-drug operations, counter-guerrilla and counter-terrorist operations etc.

GENERAL DATA
Technical  description of the Serbian Patrol Boat:
Dimensions and weight:
 Loa=10m
Boa=2.6m
 T=0.6m
Weight, empty: 4 tons
Weight, max, with fuel, crew, armor protection, weapons
 and ammo.: 4 tons
Performances:
 
 Speed: up to 45 knots
Crew: 6-8 members
Cruising speed autonomy, standard fuel tank*: 8 h
Cruising speed: 18 knots
Cruising range, standard fuel tanks*: 150 miles
Use in numerous scenarios
Transport: towed by a trailer
 possible transportation by helicopter
and parachute (hooking points)
HULL
Entirely constructed of shipbuilding aluminum (AlMg 4.5 Mn 0.8),
Riverine (flat) or V shaped hull (both for rivers and sea),
The bow designed to make SPRAY,
Bottom filled with PU foam,
Double-bottom,
Openings for easy access to engines and jets,
Stern features a platform covering the propulsion units,
The perforated sheet metal platform enables easy embarking and disembarking,
Control panel located in the vessel center, the design of which protects the vessel operator,
At the rear, there are two containers for bilge,
Ballistic protection plates for protection of crew and vital boat sections, made of composite materials and ceramics.
 
ANTI-CORROSION PROTECTION
The hull is painted with anti-corrosion coating,
Type, colour and painting pattern is agreed as per the customer’s requirements.
 
DRIVE AND CONTROL
SPB is driven by two diesel generators 440-480 HP, with water exhaust to reduce the noise and thermal signature (Yanmar, Detroit Diesel etc.)
Propulsion is achieved by means of two water jets, (Rolls Royce etc).
 
BOAT SYSTEMS
Fuel system,
Cooling and exhaust system,
Bilge system,
Fire protection system,
Ventilation system.
 
FUEL SYSTEM
Two aluminum fuel tanks below the cockpit,
Electronic fuel level indicator,
Filler necks on the vessel sides,
Remote control of the fast closing valves, exhaust line with odor filter,
Visual alarm with no sound signal,
Each engine has its own filter, double, water separator.
 
COOLING AND EXHAUST SYSTEM
Surrounding water as the water for engine cooling
Two suctions per each engine with a rinsing connection,
Gasses are exhausted at the stern by means of a damper, not obstructing the engine operation
 
BILGE SYSTEM
Two electrical pumps in each bilge cockpit,
One electrical pump installed in the engine compartment,
All pumps have manually operated pumps as backup.
 
Fire Protection System
Automatic system in the engine compartment,
Up to six hand fire extinguishers
Automatic space with opening for manual powder injection.
 
VENTILATION SYSTEM
Hot air is expelled at the rear end of the vessel by means of two electrical fans
 
ELECTRICAL INSTALLATIONS
12V electrical system,
Three groups of batteries (two starting batteries, one operating battery),
Main distribution board on the control panel,
Two search lights with their own control panels,
Standard navigation lights,
Radar and cameras as per the contracted specifications,
 
Electronic systems
Intercom system for crew communication
VHF radio
Radar
Other as per the customer’s requirement (naval battlefield management system, multi-sensor optoelectronic observation system, electronic intelligence systems, radar warning systems, satellite communication  etc.)
 
ARMAMENT AND ARMOUR
SPB has 5-7 points for mounting of the armament, including
Various MGs and HMGs with optoelectronic fire control systems, 30 mm / 40 mm automatic  grenade launchers, medium-range AT missile systems, smoke pot launchers, etc…
Ammunition capacity depends on the type  of the weapon
SPB is additionally reinforced with removable ballistic protection modules, made from metal or composite/ceramic materials, protecting of crew and vital areas against fragments and HMG fire

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Title: Re: Нови Yugoimport-ови речни патролни чамци
Post by: MOTORISTA on February 24, 2015, 10:52:40 pm
Ovo baš liči na američki PBR (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrol_Boat,_River) iz doba rata u Vijetnamu.


Title: Re: Нови Yugoimport-ови речни патролни чамци
Post by: kumbor on February 24, 2015, 11:05:51 pm
Ovo baš liči na američki PBR (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrol_Boat,_River) iz doba rata u Vijetnamu.

Da, "Almighty" kreće u lov na pukovnika Kurtza...


Title: Re: Нови Yugoimport-ови речни патролни чамци
Post by: proka89 on February 25, 2015, 12:20:56 am
Jos jedan zanimljiv koncept pod oznakom PREMAX FPV-1:



Title: Re: Нови Yugoimport-ови речни патролни чамци
Post by: kumbor on March 10, 2015, 07:08:18 pm

Pogled na turelu 30mm topa za novi patrolni čamac. Tu bi se mogao metati neki okvir, ili jedinačno punjenje za jedinačnu paljbu po tačkastim ciljevima. Po meni krajnje jednostavno.


Title: Re: Нови Yugoimport-ови речни патролни чамци
Post by: dzumba on March 10, 2015, 09:28:53 pm
По чему закључујеш да је овај топ баш за патролни чамац? Не кажем да не би могао бити али ни да ће бити. Ова фотографија је са сајма "Партнер 2013".


Title: Re: Нови Yugoimport-ови речни патролни чамци
Post by: kumbor on March 10, 2015, 10:15:15 pm

Nagađam, možda sam u pravu,a možda i nisam.


Title: Re: Нови Yugoimport-ови речни патролни чамци
Post by: Dreadnought on January 05, 2022, 04:32:43 pm


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Srbija nabavlja brze borbene čamce!


Kako smo čuli na taktičko-tehničkom zboru 72. brigade za specijalna dejstva u Pančevu u razgovoru predsednika Srbije koji je upitao vojnika koji je predstavljao ronilačku opremu jedinice “šta vam još treba”, a profesionalni vojnik je na to odgovorio da su im potrebni čamci, na šta se predsednik nadovezao “jel su to oni sa malim gazom”?

 Ministar odbrane Stefanović je tom prilikom naveo da se pregovara sa “njima” da se nabave oni sa gazom od 0.5 metara, a načelnik generalštaba je tada rekao da se za Vojsku Srbije u okviru plana opremanja stoji 4 + još 4 čamca koji treba da se nabave za Vojsku Srbije.

Da li sve ovo znači da su za Vojsku Srbije naručeni brzi patrolni čamci od domaće kompanije Jugoimport koji su prilagođeni izvođenju brzih operacija kako na vodi tako i u priobalnom pojasu.

Na to može da ukazuje i neformalni razgovor predsednika Srbije i zamenika direktora kompanije Jugoimport od pre mesec i po dana u Šapcu. Ono što je predsednik Srbije tada tražio od zamenika direktora Jugoimporta Aleksandra Lijakovića prilikom obilaska Taktičko-tehničkog zbora povodom dana Kopnene Vojske jeste da se gaz ovih čamaca smanji sa sadašnjih 0,6 do 0,7 metara na 0,5 metara kako bi se ovi čamci mogli korisiti na svim plovnim rečnim vodotokovima u Srbiji, a ne samo na najvećim kakvi su Dunav i Sava.


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