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http://www.gdf.it/Organizzazione/Specializzazioni/Servizio_Aeronavale/La_Storia/Il_naviglio_dei_finanzieri_nella_storia/info78572035.html

In the bottom of the page  it makes reference to a small ex.Yugoslav boat class. Is the information there correct, including the picture which from distance it appears to be too modernized for 1922 production?

Such boats class GL309 (stated as Yugoslav boats for finance service) - seems were not part of Yugoslav financial service boats.

Also, those were also never specified to be taken by Italians. (?)
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Maybe, some other information exists.

Actualy, in Yugoslav Naval Almanach IV/1991, is stated that Italians not only took warships, but also all ships of Direction of Maritime Traffic ( Direkcija Pomorskog Saobraćaja) 14 ships, Ministry of finance ( Ministarstvo Finansija) 12 ships, Administration of State Monopolies ( Uprava Državnog Monopola) 2 ships, Emigrant fund of the Ministry of Social Policy and Public Health ( Iseljenički Fond Ministarstva Socialne Politike i Narodnog Zdravlja) 1 ship, Ministry of Traffic ( Ministarstvo Saobraćaja) 1 ship, Ministry of Commerce ( Ministarstvo Trgovine) 1 ship, County Government Offices ( Ispostava Banske Vlasti) 1 ship. They also took 4 dredger`s and 10 barges of Direction of Maritime Traffic.

Here is the list. ( name, tonnage, engine power, year of build)

Direction of Maritime Traffic:

1. Bojana, 42 t, 140 HP, 1899
2. Klis, 231 t, 150 HP, 1899
3. Konjic, 41 t, 100 HP, 1936
4. Lasta, 13 t, 22 HP, ?
5. M.Č.1, 13 t, 22 HP, 1910
6. M.Č.2, 13 t, 22 HP, 1910
7. M.Č.3, 13 t, 22 HP, 1910
8. Marjan, 1 t, 16 HP, 1912
9. Neretva, 94,22 t, 392 HP, 1904
10. Orjen, 91,39 t, 350 HP, 1908
11. Plavnik, 213 t, 450 HP, 1910
12. Solin, 51 t, 80 HP, 1910
13. Uskok, 40 t, 110 HP, 1910
14. Vesna, 10 t, 30 HP, 1910
15. No1 dreger, 60 HP, 1895
16. No2 dreger, 100 HP, 1902
17. No3 dreger, 15 HP, 1905
18. No4 dreger, 400 HP, 1931
19. No1 barge, ?
20. No2 barge, 1927
21. No3 barge, 1936
22. No4 barge, 1928
23. No5 barge, 1928
24. No6 barge, 1928
25. No7 barge, 1928
26. No8 barge, 1929
27. No9 barge, 1929
28. No10 barge, 1911

Ministry of finance:

1. Neznani Junak, 36t, 120 HP, 1923
2. Senjanin Ivo, ?, 120 HP, ?
3. Vuk Mandušić, 70 t, 120 HP, 1924
4. Miloš Obilić, 70 t, 120 HP, 1924
5. Kraljević Marko, 36 t, 120 HP, 1923
6. Jug Bogdan, 70 t, 120 HP, 1924
7. Oplenac, 142 t, ?, 1898
8. Cer, 128 t, ?, 1894
9. Velebit, ?
10. Orijen, ?
11. Alem, 7 t, 32 HP, 1914
12. Jadro, 1 t, 12 HP, ?

Administration of State Monopolies:

1. Lahor II, 6 t, 120 HP, 1929
2. Vihor, 6 t, 90 HP, 1926

Emigrant fund of the Ministry of Social Policy and Public Health:

1. Mornar, 169 t, 200 HP, 1882

Ministry of Traffic:

1. Nada, 1 t, 33 HP, 1928

Ministry of Commerce:

1. Vila Velebita, 257 t, 300 HP, 1908

County Government Offices:

1. Zvijezda, 5 t, 14 HP, 1918

Your wright about picture, ship on her is defenetly too modern for 1922 production.

I have this list about naming in Italy and the nomenklature, they seem to be modified for anti submarine work.

AS66 Mazzei ex jug. Velebit (1922/40t)   
AS67 Cappelletti ex jug. Mosor (1922/40t)   
AS68 Feroldi ex jug. Kraljevic Marko (1922/40t)   
AS69 Fais ex jug. Jug Bogdan (1922/40t)   
AS70 Attanasi ex jug. Vuk Mandusic (1922/40t)   
AS71 Meattini ex jug. Junac Neznani (1922/40t)    
AS72 Salerno ex jug. Sanjanin Ivo (1922/40t)   
AS73 Accordi ex jug. Dbelic Milos (1922/40t)

I have conflicting information for example about Mosor and Velebit i have also this "76 t, 17 kts, built at Split in 1939/40, launched od 15 and 17 June 1939 respectively), and were captured by the Italians in April of 1941. MOSOR was renamed CAPPELLETTI (AS-67) and VELEBIT became MAZZEI (AS-66). Both were used as anti-submarine vessels with Financial Guard crews (Guardia di Finanza)HAJDUK VELJKO-Mosor/VOJVODA HRVOJE-Velebit"

I have found the original place of the quoteand with a photo of construction:http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=134803&start=0



So the 40t 1922 appears wrong.

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One of the financial guard boat.

Brodarski, wich one is this?

Looks like MČ built 1939. L 16 m, 120 HP Diesel, 11 knots.

Financial guard boat

A friend have given me this bad photo while in Italian hands.

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And here it is ...  Motor boat of finance service "Mosor" (later AS67 Cappelletti)  ;)

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Excellent  :super :marinero

Coming back on vessels and boats ordered by Ministry of Finance, - brief resume -  according to the Shipyard Split official data, there were two classes :

1. Patrol vessels "Velebit" and "Mosor", shipyard number 28 and 29, each of 123 GRT, 29 m, 2 x Diesel M.A.N. engines of 560 HP each, 17 knots, handed over to the Owner in July 1940.

2. Patrol boats (10 in total), shipyard numbers 31-40, 16 m, Diesel engine of 120 HP, 11 knots, handed over to Ministry during 1939/1940.

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Hello Gentleman,

I'm a new member from Poland and if I may I would like to ask one question regarding Yugoslavian vessel from WWII:
- on 13 IX 43 Polish submarine SOKOL rammed Italian motorboat MEATTINI. As far as I know this was former Yugoslavian JUNAC NEZNANI. I'm looking for any details and pictures of this vessel. For example what is the proper name of the vessel - JUNAC NEZNANI or NEZNANI JUNAK?? And what was the role of this vessel under Yugoslavian banner?


All the best from Warszawa,
Andrzej

Hello Andrzej.

The boat name was Neznani Junak. It belonged to ministry of finance, and his role was to prevent smuggling.

As for the boat image, you'll have to wait a little bit. :)

Hello Motorista,

thank you for your quick reply - I can wait a little bit. No problem with that :)

Does NEZNANI JUNAK means anything?


Have a nice day,
Andrzej

Hi Andrzej and welcome aboard  ;)

It means Unknown Hero

Regards
dreadnought

Meattini was employed by Regia Marina as AS 71, AS means an anti-submarine vessel.

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this is PC121 "Velebit" - former AS 66 "Mazzei", ex "Velebit", ex "Vojvoda Hrvoje" - (thanks to navyworld.narod.ru)

After war. It has a radar.

Hello dreadnought and Dili,

thank you for the additional info.
For MEATTINI I have the following data:
36 tons; 39,2×3,65×1,25 m; 9,5 kts
Is it correct?


Have a nice day,
Andrzej

PS
MOTORISTA have you already found any image of NEZNANI JUNAK?

Unfortunately nothing. :(

(https://www.paluba.info/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=9176.0;attach=92959;image)

What ship is this? Were these used by the Italians or Germans also?

Brodarski found this picture.
It was described as one of Finance Guard boats made at Split shipyard shortly before WW2.
This picture shows her last days at scrap yard Sv. Kajo (north of Split). Italians, and subsequently Germans, used it for their purposes.

There are more pictures of such ships on Paluba.

Great!

I am new here and, while the search engine is excellent, can you give me a few hints on threads where there may be more?

Does anyone know the number the Germans gave her? Likely she was a harbor patrol boat in one of several hafenschutzflotille.

Thanks

Dave

HERE IS A PICTURE OF ONE:

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It is from BETASOM

http://www.betasom.it/forum/lofiversion/index.php?t35614.html

I can't really make out if this was returned to the Yugoslavian Navy or was taken by the Germans in 1943.

Sorry for late reply. Above boat was returned to Royal Yugoslav Navy in exile - after capitulation of Italy; after war it made part of new Yugoslav Navy; this in particular was not  under German reign.

"Neznani junak" at small port Zurkovo, SE of Susak, 1932.
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Thank you Jadran!
Could you please smooth a bit translation which I've got from Google Translate? Since it is very hard to understand the meaning :help

Ministry of finance ship "Neznani Junak" at rest in Žurkovo 1932 moored by little pier. Next to him is bodulska bracera ( type of wooden ship in Adriatic) loaded with wood, and in front of them fishing boat that belong to Nacio Rubinic. On big pier, next to bollar, is Miroslav, son of the "Neznani Junak CO, Mate Devčić. In the background you can see unregulated turf Kalić, and first houses of the little village Susanića. Up left is a small house of well known Sušak judge Anton Sacchi. Photographer is unknown.


I hope this could help. :)

Thank you! :)

Following above photo of "Neznani junak", accidentaly I found in a much larger photo an interesting detail. (Photo posted on "Nase sidro" forum).
In my opinion, left ship with letter "M" on funnel -- represents finance ship "Kraljevic Marko", as there were only two of its kind.
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Lako za Kraljevića Marka. U prvom planu je Veljko. Kasniji Felice, Pirat. Felicio.

Svaka ti cast!

Somebody has also posted data on these craft, but on this topic I haven`t seen the list printed in JRM Naval Almanach in 1991, so here it is.
Mmmhhh, wait a minute,   ...  under vessels belonging to Ministry of finance.

Here, in Kraljevica port, most probably  our well known "Neznani junak" - ready for smugglers.  :)
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