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« Reply #150 on: September 04, 2011, 08:04:28 pm »

Na slici bi trebao biti Leopard 2A4 (nišanska sprava) u verziji "Leopard 2 modular upgrade rheinmetall Eurosatory 2010 international defense exhibitio".

U temi Galerija tenka Leopard 2 potrudio sam se, da sam slikovno predstavio sve modele Leo 2.

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« Reply #151 on: September 04, 2011, 08:11:54 pm »

Na slici bi trebao biti Leopard 2A4 (nišanska sprava) u verziji "Leopard 2 modular upgrade rheinmetall Eurosatory 2010 international defense exhibitio".

U temi Galerija tenka Leopard 2 potrudio sam se, da sam slikovno predstavio sve modele Leo 2.

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Da druze Bozo ali u galeriji nigde ne pise da ovo cudo ima 60 T  Smiley
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« Reply #152 on: September 04, 2011, 08:17:52 pm »

Znam... Wink

Uvek mi se činilo zanimljivim, koliko "tonaže" ide po članu posade. Odokativno, T72/M84 i slični imaju masu oko 40-45 tona i 3 člane posade, dok imaju zapadni tenkovi Leo2, Abrams oko 50-60 tona i četri člana posade. Znači na člana posade (na grubo ) ide oko 12-15 tona tenka.

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« Reply #153 on: September 04, 2011, 08:20:03 pm »

Znam... Wink

Uvek mi se činilo zanimljivim, koliko "tonaže" ide po članu posade. Odokativno, T72/M84 i slični imaju masu oko 40-45 tona i 3 člane posade, dok imaju zapadni tenkovi Leo2, Abrams oko 50-60 tona i četri člana posade. Znači na člana posade (na grubo ) ide oko 12-15 tona tenka.

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 Grin Jest, mozemo videti i koliko Kw ili KS "ide" po clanu posade.
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« Reply #154 on: September 04, 2011, 08:45:07 pm »

Na brzake pokupio podatke sa interneta (ne moraju biti tačni, ali za osečaj su dovoljni).

Tenkmasa (T)Motor (kW)Motor (KS)posadaRazmerje kW/tRazmerje KS/članRazmerje t/člana
M8441,553772031724014
M84A42,573598632332914
Leo 2A455,151103147942737014
Leo 2A662,31103147942437016
Abrams M1A261,31120150242537515
Lecrerc54,51100147532749218
Ariete54937125742331414
Clallenger262,5890119341929816

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« Reply #155 on: September 04, 2011, 10:09:58 pm »

Odlicno Bozo.
Samo jedan podatak treba uzimati sa rezervom (tonazu) ali ipak su donekle odnosi tu negde.
Po prezentiranim podacima Leclerc nema premca po rezervi snage, dok M1 i Leo2 predstavljaju kopnene bojne brodove.
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« Reply #156 on: September 07, 2011, 02:38:09 pm »

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60 Tona....od izvorne verzije mase 56.6 T.
Mnogo....

Nije ovde "problematična" samo masa već i ogromni gabariti tenka.
Kada bi uzeli bočni pogled na M-84 i Leoparda 2A6 dobili bi znatnu razliku u korist tenka M-84 ili M-84A.
Mada kada bi se zašlo u detalje sigurno da je svaki inč ukupnog gabarita Leoparda 2A6 opravdan korisnim sklopovima i sistemima.

Glavobolja kod konstruktora je uvek bila a i biće oko kompromisa mase, oklopne zaštite, pokretljivosti, siluete i vatrene moći tenka.
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« Reply #157 on: September 07, 2011, 07:09:51 pm »

Mislim da je u jednoj knizi postojalo poređenje silueta tenkova, M84 sa Leopardom i sa Abramsom, ali kjiga mi je na vikendu...

Brok, mislim da si ti imeo sken te knjige, pa ako je slučajno pod rukom, zamolio bi.


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« Reply #158 on: September 07, 2011, 07:22:42 pm »

Zanima me kako je rešen oklop na strani Leoparda. S' obzirom da je toliko velik.

Ona grdosija od Abramsa ima tek nejakih 20 mm čelika sa strane, tek FHA. Na to se dodaju paneli sa spoljašnje strane gusenica, koji su 70 mm debeli, i sendvič tipa. Zanimljivo rešenje (skidaju se kod vazdušnog transporta + kreiraju prostor izmedju te ploče i tela). Ali, te ploče umeju da padnu pri prolasku kroz teško žbunje i grmlje...

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« Reply #159 on: September 07, 2011, 07:34:23 pm »

Brok, mislim da si ti imeo sken te knjige, pa ako je slučajno pod rukom, zamolio bi.
Pogledaću. Mislim da postoje ta poređenja.
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« Reply #160 on: September 07, 2011, 08:27:54 pm »

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Postoje.. u drugoj polovini knjige Wink

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« Reply #161 on: September 08, 2011, 08:23:57 am »

Evo tih poređenja.

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« Reply #162 on: September 08, 2011, 09:30:33 am »

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« Reply #163 on: September 08, 2011, 10:00:45 am »

Evo par fotografija na kojima se vidi razlika u veličini...
T-72 VS. Leo2
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T-72 vs. Abrams M1A1
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T-80U vs. Centurion
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Ovde je kompletno društvo na okupu Challenger-2;  T-84;  Leo-2; T-80U;  Leclerc; Abrams
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I ovde imamo Ljude vs. Leo2 gdje se možda i najbolje vidi kolika je ovo grdosija


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« Reply #164 on: September 08, 2011, 10:08:25 am »

Ovde opet imamo veselu ekipu na okupu
Chieftain;Challenger; Abrams; Vickers Mk7; Leo 2
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Jedno zanimljivo poređenje Leopard 2 and Panzer IV
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M60A3 Patton vs. Leopard 1V
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