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« on: September 18, 2011, 10:08:49 am »

Ne nadjoh ovu temu (ako postoji neka admin brise), a mislim da je interesantna pa bi bilo lijepo da dobijemo neke podatke o ovom vozilu.
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« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2011, 10:19:06 am »

Kako si pripadnik OS BiH, koja raspolaže oklopnim transporterima tipa M113 (u dve varijante čak), mogao bi da napišeš nešto o njima. Verujem da možeš naći i dovoljno literature. Wink
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« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2011, 10:54:26 am »

M-113 koje se nalaze u sastavu OS BiH

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« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2013, 04:21:02 pm »

Malo se bolje vidi unutrašnjost ovog transportera na ovoj slici...
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« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2013, 05:04:12 pm »

Uredno malo vozilo. Ipak za moderne uslove preslabo zaštićeno. Liči na našu "peglicu". Točkaši 8x8 su nam svima sudbina, pa makar u deset puta manjem broju nego što su odgovarajuća vozila bila u JNA. Borbeni potencijal svakako nije deset puta veći, i pitanje je da li je uopšte veći u bilo kom smislu.
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« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2013, 07:29:32 pm »

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« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2013, 07:32:42 pm »

Zar ovi transporteri ne pripadaju prošlosti? Lim im je malo deblji od ladinog.
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« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2013, 07:36:31 pm »

Korisnici :


    Afghanistan: 63
     Albania: 130
     Argentina: 580
     Australia (Australian Army): 700
     Bahrain: 239 (est.) US-origin M113A2,[41] 15 US-origin M577A2,[42] 3 Netherlands-origin M577A1[41]
     Bangladesh (Bangladesh Army): 10 in active service
     Benin: 16 (former Belgian)
     Bolivia: (Bolivian Army): 50
     Bosnia and Herzegovina: 80[43]
     Brazil: Brazilian Army: 584; Brazilian Marine Corps: 29
     Canada: 289 (Canadian Army) - 1,143 Purchased from the mid-1960s through the 1990s. Mostly declared surplus. 289 to be upgraded to various configurations and retained until 2020.[44]
     Chile (Chilean Army): 427
     Colombia: 120
     Cyprus: 8 (one captured example marked "239943")
     Democratic Republic of the Congo: 12
     Denmark: 632 (Designated PMV, Pansret Mandskabsvogn, literally translated to APC. All heavily modified. The M113 is slowly being replaced in the mechanized infantry by the MK35DK.)[45]
     Ecuador: 20
     Egypt: 2,950
     El Salvador: 20
     Ethiopia: 110
     Greece: Over 2,500 (1,800+ M113A1/A2 APC, 256 M106A1/A2, 280+ M901A1/A2 ITV, 198 M577A2, 50 M113A1 MEDEVAC
     Iran (Iranian Army): 200
     Iraq (Iraqi Army): 283, plus a recent order for 440 refurbished M113A2s.[46] It has been suggested that Iraq intends to buy a fleet of 1026.[47]
     Israel (Israeli Defence Forces): 6,131 (Being replaced by Wolf armored vehicle)[48]
     Italy (Italian Army), (Carabinieri): 3,000+ (Slowly being replaced by the Dardo IFV and Lince VTML)
     Jordan: 1300
     South Korea (South Korean Army): 400
     Kuwait: 80
     Lebanon (Lebanese Army): 1300+[49]
     Libya: One M577 converted to IFV with added 2A28 Grom turret taken from BMP-1.[citation needed]
     Lithuania (Lithuanian Land Force): 210 (as of 2008).[50] Overall 361 items were transferred from Germany between 2000 and 2006.
     Morocco: 1,200[51]
     Republic of Macedonia: 30
     Netherlands (Royal Netherlands Army), (Royal Marechaussee): replaced with YPR-765
     New Zealand (New Zealand Army): 120 (replaced with NZLAV lll)
     Norway (Norwegian Army): 900
     Pakistan: 1,600+ [talha based on M113 2.000]
     Peru: 130
     Philippines:Philippine Army: 100+
     Poland (Polish Land Forces): 35 (command and medical evacuation variants)[52]
     Portugal (Portuguese Army): 180 M113A1/A2 APC (150 in service), 4 M901 ITV, 30 M48A3 Chaparral (25 in service), 47 M577A2 (36 in service as command vehicles and 3 in service as ambulance vehicles)[53][54][55][56]
     Saudi Arabia (Saudi Arabian Army), (Saudi National Guard): 3,000
     Singapore (Singapore Armed Forces): 1,200 (being replaced by Bionix AFVs)
     Spain: 860 (being replaced by the Pizarro IFV)
     Sweden: 1 (for evaluation)
     Switzerland: 400
     Republic of China (Taiwan) (Republic of China Army): 675[57]
     Thailand: 385
     Tunisia: 120
     Turkey: 3,000+ (slowly replacing with ACV-300)
     United Nations: 6 (used in the Congo 1963–1964)
     United States: 6000[58]

        The M113 is also used by NASA for emergency evacuation of astronauts during a launch pad emergency, as well as some police SWAT units, like the Phoenix, Arizona police department.

     Uruguay: 24
     Vietnam: 750
     Yemen: 670




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« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2013, 07:43:36 pm »

Polako se povlače iz upotrebe u bogatijim zemljama, i menjaju se modernijim vozilima. Ali se i doniraju armijama sa jako slabim oklopnim jedinicama (Litvanija, Irak...)
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« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2013, 08:48:20 pm »

U Makedoniji su povuceni u rezervu, iako smo ih dobili nove (italijanska verzija VCC-1 Camilino), odmah negde posle zabave kod nas su povucene u rezervu. Nisu se bas nesto pokazali, a i imali smo dovoljno sto TM-170, sto BTR-70/80.
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« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2013, 09:23:14 pm »

Kako su se pokazali Tm 170, a kako Btr 80? Koje su najveće zamerke M113?
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« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2013, 01:28:35 pm »

TM-170 je limuzina, tapacirana sedista pokretljiva po visini i duzini, visoko, komotno, fino resena ergonomija i ostalo. Po jedna puskarnica sa strane i jedna na dupetu, samo mi ih nikad nismo koristili. Nema naoruzanja (barem u to vreme), pa snalazili smo se ko kako je mogao. Kasnije je razvijena otvorena kupola za vojne koja je mogla uklopiti razlicito naoruzanje, kao sto su PKT, SGT, DShK, ABG-30 i jos nesto.i oruzana stanica za policiske sa mitraljezom NSVT.

BTR-70/80 ruska borbena masina, spartaski, tvrdo, , nisko, tesno, sa puno izbocina (pogotovo BTR-70) gde mozes tokom voznje opaliti glavu, ali zato po cetiri puskarnice sa strane i dva mitraljeza u kupoli, jedan PKT i jedan KPVT. Za razliku od BTR-70, kod BTR-80 imas i lepe stranicne vrate gde mozes ko covek da izadjes. Kod BTR-70 morao si da izlazis sa krovnih otvora i da skaces na zemlju

M-113 bucna (posto je jedini od ova tri vozila gusenicar), kockasta, sa benzinskim morotom, bez naoruzanja, nema puskarnica. Kada se vozis u njemu, imas osecaj da se vozis u konzervi sardina i da neko samo ceka da je sa RPG-om otvori. Posto nije imala kupolu sa naoruzanjem i puskarnice, vojnici(policajci) su izvirivali iz pomocnog izlaza na krovu i stitili se (kolko su mogli) sa licnim naoruzanjem.
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« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2013, 03:16:30 pm »

E, ako je M-113 imao benzinski motor, to su vam uvalili neke stare serije od pre pola veka. Već valjda 30 godina na M-113 ugrađuje se Detroit Diesel 6V53 ili Cumminsov dizel.
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« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2013, 05:46:45 pm »

Imas pravo, dizel je u pitanju.
Vec sam rekao da su ovi nasi bili italijanska verzija VCC-1 Camillino, i da su bili novoproizvedeni.
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« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2013, 09:10:47 pm »

Pva peglca je većim djelom napravljena od legura aluminijuma da bi  joj se smanjila masa, a razlog tome je transport avionima kao i izbacivanjepadobranom iz aviona. Pa na osnovu ovog mislim da joj je oklopna zaštita skroz slaba...
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