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« Reply #45 on: February 14, 2013, 09:32:08 pm » |
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E sad, ako uzmes podatke odavde, ispada da su 1944 proizvedeni 40 komada, dok 1945 godine 228 komada, dok je stanje 1.3.1945 godine bilo samo 38 komada. Prva varijanta (kazu njemacki uskospecijalizirani fanovi) bi trebala biti tocna ili tocnija - 40 + 2 + 53 - navode da se iza 2/1945 nisu proizvodili, pa se time i objasnjava broj od 38 komada s 1.3.45. A, sto se jedinica tice, malo kasnije. |
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« Reply #46 on: February 14, 2013, 09:47:50 pm » |
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Čudi me kako je to vozilo ostalo sačuvano od 2. sv rata do danas!
JNA ga nije imala u naoružanju - šta onda traži u nekoj kasarni?
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« Reply #47 on: February 14, 2013, 09:55:02 pm » |
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Na slici 7 se vidi top na vozilu o kojem pričamo.
Nemanja, dodaj i slike sa Manjače. Ima na mojoj Photobucket stranici, a ima i na onim linkovima koje sam postavio juče i preključe.
Ima i tu dosta starih vozila.
Molio bih članove uredništva da napišu šta znaju za svako vozilo ili sliku. Mislim ko šta može, hoće ili zna.
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« Reply #48 on: February 14, 2013, 10:11:42 pm » |
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Iz foruma Axis VVII Discussion po Sd.Kfz. 251/22 ili konvertiranih Sd.Kfz. 251/9 - okvirna lista oklopnih divizija koje su raspolagale takvim vozilima:
4. Pz.Div. (sporno, moguci Sd.Kfz. 251/22 od 2/1945)
7. Pz.Div. (ili Sd.Kfz. 251/22 ili preradjeni Sd.Kfz. 251/9 od 1/1945)
8. Pz.Div. (moguca upotreba Sd.Kfz. 251/22 ili preradjenih Sd.Kfz. 251/9 od 3/1945)
9. Pz.Div. (Sd.Kfz. 251/22 u upotrebi od 1/1945)
11. Pz.Div. (Sd.Kfz. 251/22 u upotrebi od 1/1945, kasnija moguca upotreba preradjenih Sd.Kfz. 251/9)
12. Pz.Div. (preradjeni Sd.Kfz. 251/9 od 1/1945)
16. Pz.Div. (Sd.Kfz. 251/22 u upotrebi nakon fuzioniranja s Pz.Div. Jüterbog u 3/1945)
17. Pz.Div. (Sd.Kfz. 251/22 od 2/1945)
19. Pz.Div. (Sd.Kfz. 251/22 od 2/1945)
21. Pz.Div. (nije potvrdjena upotreba preradjenih Sd.Kfz. 251/9 od 3/1945
24. Pz.Div. (koristenje Sd.Kfz. 251/22 od 1/1945 moguce, nije potvrdjeno)
25. Pz.Div. (koristenje Sd.Kfz. 251/22 moguce od 1/1945, potvrdjeno od 3/1945)
116. Pz.Div. (koristenje preradjenih Sd.Kfz. 251/9 od 2-3/1945 moguce, premda ne i 100% potvrdjeno)
Pz.Lehr-Div. (Sd.Kfz. 251/22 u upotrebi od 3/1945)
Pz.Div. Jüterborg (Sd.Kfz. 251/22 stigli ali jedinica uklopljena u 16. Pz.Div.)
Pz.Div. Schlesien (Sd.Kfz. 251/22 u upotrebi od 2-3/1945, zatim jedinica ufruzena s 18. Pz.Gren.Div.)
Pz.Div. Clausewitz (vrlo mala mogucnost koristenja od 4/1945
Führer-Begleit-Brig./Div. (Sd.Kfz. 251/22 upotrebi od 1/1945)
10. Pz.Gren-Div. (Sd.Kfz. 251/22 u upotrebi od 2/1945)
18. Pz.Gren.Div. (Sd.Kfz. 251/22 u upotrebi nakon udruzivanja krajem 3/1945 s Pz.Div. Schlesien)
25. Pz.Gren-Div. (Sd.Kfz. 251/22 u upotrebi od pocetka 1/1945)
Pz.Gren-Div. Grossdeutschland (Sd.Kfz. 251/22 u upotrebi od kraja 12/1944)
Pz.Gren-Div. Feldherrnhalle (v. Pz.Div. Feldherrnhalle)
12. SS-Pz.Div. (ili Sd.Kfz. 251/22 ili preradjeni Sd.Kfz. 251/9 u upotrebi od 2/1945)
U prosjeku su divizije imale 4-8 takvih vozila.
Prva divizija koja je dobila Sd.Kfz. 251/22 - 30.12.1944. bila je Pz.Gren.Div. GD (Gross Deutschland).
Najbolje ekipirana divizija bila je 19. Pz.Div. i to u 4./Pz.Gren.Rgt., 4./Pz.A.A. i 3./Pz.Pi.Btl.
Postoji lista jedinica na Balkanu, pa bi trebalo iz gornjih divizija suziti izbor na one koje su mogle "ostaviti" to vozilo.
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« Reply #51 on: February 14, 2013, 10:23:54 pm » |
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Vidio sam svašta i svačega od 91. pa dok nisam otišao u mirovinu. Onu kombinaciju transportera sa saćastim podvjesnim lanserom nisam nikad vidio uživo. Pročitai sam da je to imala VRSK. Sigurno ima dosta oklopa kojeg nisam vidio ali ovakvu skupinu oklopa na jednom mjestu nisam mogao zamisliti. Za jedan korpus bilo bi dovoljno zajedno s onim na Manjači. Izložbeni muzejski primjerak ne znači da je neispravan i nepokretan. Upravo suprotno, trebao bi biti u ispravnom stanju do zadnjeg djelića. Moram pronaći onu moju knjigu - slikovnicu '' Korpus mornaričke pešadije SAD''. To je bilo izdanje II. uprave DSNO i označeno kao Vojna tajna dok nije dopalo u moje ruke. Sad sam je deklasificirao kao Javno. Tu bi se moglo pronaći dosta objašnjenja vezano za oklop iz američke pomoći. Ta pomoć i nije bila mala, negdje oko 770 milijuna $. I to nepovratno, bez kredita.
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« Reply #53 on: February 14, 2013, 10:27:33 pm » |
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Da li je moguce poslikati od gore spoj topa i vozila polugusjenicara; ako je jos uvijek moguce i zadnji kraj, posebno lijevi i desni dio iznad gusjenice.
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« Reply #57 on: February 14, 2013, 10:36:46 pm » |
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Nijedna od ovih nije bila na balkanu krajem '44 pa do kraja rata, barem to je ono sto sam utvrdio u kratkoj pretrazi jedinice za jedinicom.
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« Reply #58 on: February 14, 2013, 11:20:55 pm » |
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Motorista je postavio info o vozilu - eksponatu, ali se ne otvara (barem meni). Mozda je to ovo:
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Eh - ono prvo sigurno nije eksponat, evo jos jednom s druge strane:
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« Reply #59 on: February 15, 2013, 01:22:24 am » |
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Je li ovo isto vozilo?
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