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Author Topic: Sastav JNA od 1988. do 1991. godine  (Read 266814 times)
 
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« Reply #210 on: January 11, 2014, 06:09:15 pm »

tnx
i am intersted in JNA to&e and it is pretty hard to find info like that and do not have any plans of using info, except for my own update
I did not know about Marjan book, a will find the way to buy it as soon as posible

TO&Es and ORBATs are quite different.  Which are you after?


Sorry, my mistake. I am interested in ORBAT
The bokk you have mentioned "Raznoj oruznih snaga SFRJ 1945-1985.", a i have, as well as few others form that series.
Also, my only interest is in KOV.
What i am interested for is ORBAT of JNA in the begineing of the war in Slovenija, Hrvatska and BiH.
Sorry for my English.
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« Reply #211 on: January 11, 2014, 06:34:30 pm »

Sorry, my mistake. I am interested in ORBAT
The bokk you have mentioned "Raznoj oruznih snaga SFRJ 1945-1985.", a i have, as well as few others form that series.
Also, my only interest is in KOV.
What i am interested for is ORBAT of JNA in the begineing of the war in Slovenija, Hrvatska and BiH.
For 5.VO, the Marijan text that I have already linked to is all you need.  It is based on source JNA documents. His book "Slom Titove Armije" has the same information but with pages and pages of political nonsense around it.

There is no perfectly accurate data available for 1.VO, 3.VO and directly reporting SSNO units.  And nothing of any use anywhere regarding the TO.  All the information that Borovnica and others have posted on this thread comes from the book "Zapovjedni vrh JNA".  That book is a complilation by Marijan and his friends etc.  So it is good for JNA 5.VO and lacking elsewhere.  They have done the same as you and I and compiled data from other books, magazines, the internet and personal contacts.  I know some of it is inaccurate because I invented it several years ago and posted on the internet to catch the information thieves.  Wink

Until somebody with source documents produces a complete JNA and TO ORBAT for July 1991, you will get contradictory information.  Whose do you trust?

The only way to get the correct information is to write to the MO Serbia and ask for access to their archives.  Yes, they do let people in.  Yes, some people have already been there and got the information they want.  Wink

Sorry for my English.
I am sure it's better than the google translations into Serbian that I post.   Tongue
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« Reply #212 on: January 11, 2014, 07:16:31 pm »

Na onoj šemi nema nastavnog bataljona RV i PVO (izostavljen je jer nije bio borbena jedinica, ali je naveden u tekstu). Šema je izvađena iz magistarsgog rada koji se odnosi na upotrebu vojne policije tokom sukoba na teritorije Jugoslavije.

U spisku koji je sastavio Marjan piše 19 bataljona VP. U postavljenom spisku ne vidim zaštitne motorizovane pukove. U njima su bila 4 batalona VP . Osim toga, on navodi Gardijsku  brigadu u kojoj su bila i 2 bataljona VP. Tako da ne znam kako je izračunao da je bilo 19 bVP.

U njegovom spisku nema ni padobranske brigade.
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« Reply #213 on: January 11, 2014, 08:13:45 pm »

Na onoj šemi nema nastavnog bataljona RV i PVO (izostavljen je jer nije bio borbena jedinica, ali je naveden u tekstu). Šema je izvađena iz magistarsgog rada koji se odnosi na upotrebu vojne policije tokom sukoba na teritorije Jugoslavije.

U spisku koji je sastavio Marjan piše 19 bataljona VP. U postavljenom spisku ne vidim zaštitne motorizovane pukove. U njima su bila 4 batalona VP . Osim toga, on navodi Gardijsku  brigadu u kojoj su bila i 2 bataljona VP. Tako da ne znam kako je izračunao da je bilo 19 bVP.

U njegovom spisku nema ni padobranske brigade.

Istina је да подаци Маријан има грешке.

И то је врло јасно да је његова листа недостаје 4 змтп.

Претпостављао сам да је разлог зашто је он 4 БВП недостаје превише. 19+4 = 23 Исти подаци као ти. Такође објаснити у свом тексту како, Б и Р је промењена после 1/1/1990.  бВП/10.К је направљен росле 1/1/1990.

Једина разлика између видим вашег текста и Маријан листи (после смо укључују 4 БВП / змтп) је његова листа претпоставља бВП/9.К је направљен пре 1/1/1990.

Такође, претпостављам 63.падбр није укључен у ков јер је био развијен и РВиПВО администрира.
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« Reply #214 on: January 11, 2014, 08:15:33 pm »

postoje li knjige"razvoj jna" u pdf-u, ako da di? kupija bi ih ja al nemam di
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« Reply #215 on: January 11, 2014, 08:21:49 pm »

tnx
i am intersted in JNA to&e and it is pretty hard to find info like that and do not have any plans of using info, except for my own update
I did not know about Marjan book, a will find the way to buy it as soon as posible

TO&Es and ORBATs are quite different.  Which are you after?


Sorry, my mistake. I am interested in ORBAT
The bokk you have mentioned "Raznoj oruznih snaga SFRJ 1945-1985.", a i have, as well as few others form that series.
Also, my only interest is in KOV.
What i am interested for is ORBAT of JNA in the begineing of the war in Slovenija, Hrvatska and BiH.
Sorry for my English.

i am interested in bouth the orbat and toe. only for my needs,dont want to write book. i am some kinde cold war amateur historian, i have (for now) more than 30 GB data on world OOBs and TOEs, plans, doctrine, etc..
if you would like to share with us your data on JNA on this forum it would be great contribution to these theme which i started and all this great people continued.
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« Reply #216 on: January 11, 2014, 08:31:25 pm »

tnx
i am intersted in JNA to&e and it is pretty hard to find info like that and do not have any plans of using info, except for my own update
I did not know about Marjan book, a will find the way to buy it as soon as posible

TO&Es and ORBATs are quite different.  Which are you after?


Sorry, my mistake. I am interested in ORBAT
The bokk you have mentioned "Raznoj oruznih snaga SFRJ 1945-1985.", a i have, as well as few others form that series.
Also, my only interest is in KOV.
What i am interested for is ORBAT of JNA in the begineing of the war in Slovenija, Hrvatska and BiH.
Sorry for my English.

i am interested in bouth the orbat and toe. only for my needs,dont want to write book. i am some kinde cold war amateur historian, i have (for now) more than 30 GB data on world OOBs and TOEs, plans, doctrine, etc..
if you would like to share with us your data on JNA on this forum it would be great contribution to these theme which i started and all this great people continued.


ovim ne zelim uvelicati ili preuzeti bilo kakvu zaslugu za napredak i razvoj  ove teme koja se prosirila zahvaljujuci znanju i iskustvu svih clanova na cemu im se ovom prilikom opet  svima zahvaljujem. sto je vise detalja ja sam sritniji Smiley
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« Reply #217 on: January 13, 2014, 08:49:54 pm »

jel 6. partizanska pješačka divizija bila sastavljena od 8. mtbr i 236. pmtbr
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« Reply #218 on: January 13, 2014, 09:05:51 pm »

jel 6. partizanska pješačka divizija bila sastavljena od 8. mtbr i 236. pmtbr

6.ppd (proleterska a ne partizanstka) ima sastav 1985-1990:
8.pmtbr
9.ppp
10.ppp
itd..

Onda 236.mtbr(R) je izgradjen od 9.+10.ppp ali kao sastav 13.K  

Mozda samo kratko vremena u toku 1990. 8.pmtbr i 236.mtbr se nalazi u 6.ppd pre rasformiranja.
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« Reply #219 on: January 13, 2014, 09:41:04 pm »

jel mozes napisati ostatak Smiley
bija bi jako zahvalan..koji ti je izvor podataka
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« Reply #220 on: January 13, 2014, 10:53:01 pm »

jel mozes napisati ostatak Smiley
bija bi jako zahvalan..koji ti je izvor podataka
Marijan: "Jedinstvo"-Posledhji ustroj JNA, Polemos 6 (2003), Zagreb.  Str.41

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U Riječkom korpusu je ustrojena 236. proleterska motorizirana brigada “R” klasifikacije od 9. i 10. proleterskog pješačkog puka s mirnodopskim sjedištem u Gospiću
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« Reply #221 on: January 14, 2014, 12:08:57 am »

imas li jos podataka za 6. diviziju
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« Reply #222 on: January 19, 2014, 05:43:31 pm »

gospodo, tema je ponovno otkljucana..nadam se da se nece opet zakljucati pa Vas molim da se ne doticete tema koje nisu nuzno vezane uz ovu a to je organizacija JNA.
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« Reply #223 on: February 06, 2014, 11:36:05 am »

jedno pitanje:
kako bi se ponašala Jugoslavija u slucaju rata između VU i NATO-a..da li bi se svrstala na neku stranu? uvjet je da ju niko nije napa ali Italija zvecka oruzjem
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« Reply #224 on: February 06, 2014, 11:39:46 am »

Dok je se ne bi napalo bila bi neutralna ,no ako bi je Italija napala svrstala bi se na stranu Rusije i granica bi opet bila u Trstu Smiley
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