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« Reply #15 on: November 17, 2016, 03:54:35 pm »

Ljubo, na fotki rasprave je šta? Meni liči na nekog bastarda između Miraža III i MiG-23.
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« Reply #16 on: November 17, 2016, 04:18:20 pm »

Ljubo, na fotki rasprave je šta? Meni liči na nekog bastarda između Miraža III i MiG-23.

То се неко играо са цртежом МиГ-23ПД.
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« Reply #17 on: November 17, 2016, 04:22:13 pm »

Ljubo, na fotki rasprave je šta? Meni liči na nekog bastarda između Miraža III i MiG-23.

То се неко играо са цртежом МиГ-23ПД.
I ja sam postavio pitanje, i eto dobio odgovor
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« Reply #18 on: November 17, 2016, 04:24:48 pm »

Hvala Rašo, hvala Ljubo. Smiley
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« Reply #19 on: November 17, 2016, 04:26:16 pm »

Ljubo, na fotki rasprave je šta? Meni liči na nekog bastarda između Miraža III i MiG-23.

Ili sam ja vizionar. Vrlo sličan avion sam crtao kad sam bio mali, pre jedno 40 godina, a i pravio od LEGO kockica. Ista koncepcija. Grin
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« Reply #20 on: November 17, 2016, 11:35:55 pm »

Ljubo, na fotki rasprave je šta? Meni liči na nekog bastarda između Miraža III i MiG-23.

То се неко играо са цртежом МиГ-23ПД.
I ja sam postavio pitanje, i eto dobio odgovor


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И кинезите работа na нешто слично со делта крилја како мираж 3 на база на египетски миг-23 во 1980г

 Chengdu J-9 w некаде се срејкава и како catic j-9

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« Reply #21 on: November 18, 2016, 12:42:07 am »

Iz vremena nastanka Mirage III, da spomenemo još dva paralelna projekta

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« Reply #22 on: November 18, 2016, 12:45:31 am »

Ako nekoga zanima da podrobnije prouči ovu špiunsku aferu , u arhivi diplomatskih dokumenata Švajcarske postoji niz originalnih dokumenata iz dokaznog postupka i suđenja optuženih Alfred Frauenknecht i Josef Frauenknecht .

p.s. izmenio sam link ka arhivi
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« Reply #23 on: November 18, 2016, 01:15:24 am »

Iz vremena nastanka Mirage III, da spomenemo još dva paralelna projekta

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За последниот проект Љуба или sud 9000 бил спонзориран и од британската влада бидејки тие сакале да направат суб соничен авион кој во случај да треба да достигни брзини над 1.5 маха да користи ракетни мотори во основа требало да биди поефтино авион за одржување сепак имал тежина полн од само 5 тона празен 3 и нешто тона , и користел два  многу слаби мотори од само 150кг на потисок кој го туркале до брзина од 850 км на час додека кога ке вклучел трите додадни ракетни  мотори се добивало сила од 4500 кгс и плус овие 300кг некаде рамно на 4800 кг на потисок што го туркало леталото да постигни брзина од 1.7 маха .Потоа е правен да имаа тесно тело и тенки крилја  како  американскиот х- 1, имал проблем тоа што имал слаб маневер неможел да изведува големи свртувања .
Како и да е можел да биди лесно за одржување суперсоничен ловец на авион
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« Reply #24 on: November 18, 2016, 06:32:45 am »


Turbomeca gabizo је имао потисак око 1.000кп, не 150.
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« Reply #26 on: November 18, 2016, 07:12:43 am »

I ovaj filmić o prvom Nešeru predatom Izraelskom RV.

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« Reply #27 on: November 18, 2016, 07:23:12 am »

Miraži III proizvedeni za Izrael imaju oznaku Mirage III CJ.
Da li se zna šta znači ovo "J"? Ne verujem da je "Juif", da nije možda "Jour" ("de nuit"-noćni", "de jour" - "dnevni"), ili je slovo dodeljeno kao sledeće u nizu označavanja razvijenih podverzija?
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« Reply #28 on: November 18, 2016, 09:51:53 am »


Turbomeca gabizo је имао потисак око 1.000кп, не 150.
od ovdeka gi zedov informacite inaku po ruski e  1000 kgs.
http://www.aviastar.org/air/france/so_trident.php
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« Reply #29 on: November 18, 2016, 11:50:10 am »

Miraži III proizvedeni za Izrael imaju oznaku Mirage III CJ.
Da li se zna šta znači ovo "J"? Ne verujem da je "Juif", da nije možda "Jour" ("de nuit"-noćni", "de jour" - "dnevni"), ili je slovo dodeljeno kao sledeće u nizu označavanja razvijenih podverzija?

Biće da jeste. Slovo I je bilo slobodno, a Miraži su označavani ovako:


Mirage IIIBJ : Mirage IIIB for Israeli Air Force. Five built.
Mirage IIIBL : Mirage IIIBE for Lebanon Air Force.
Mirage IIIBS : Mirage IIIB for the Swiss Air Force; four built.
Mirage IIIBZ : Mirage IIIB for the South African Air Force; three built.

Mirage IIICJ : Mirage IIIC for the Israeli Air Force, fitted with simpler electronics and with provision for the booster rocket removed. 72 delivered between 1961 and 1964.
Mirage IIICS : Mirage IIIC supplied to Swiss Air Force in 1962 for evaluation and test purposes. One built.
Mirage IIICZ : Mirage IIIC for the South African Air Force. 16 supplied between December 1962 and March 1964.

Mirage IIID : Two-seat training aircraft for the RAAF. Built under licence in Australia; 16 built.
Mirage IIIDA : Two-seat trainer for the Argentine Air Force. Two supplied 1973 and a further two in 1982.
Mirage IIIDBR : Two-seat trainer for the Brazilian Air Force, designated F-103D. Four newly built aircraft delivered from 1972. Two ex-French Air Force Mirage IIIBEs delivered 1984 to make up for losses in accidents.
Mirage IIIDBR-2 : Refurbished and updated aircraft for the Brazilian Air Force, with more modern avionics and canard foreplanes. Two ex-French aircraft sold to Brazil in 1988, with remaining two DBRs upgraded to same standard.
Mirage IIIDE : Two-seat trainer for Spanish Air Force. Six built with local designation CE.11.
Mirage IIIDP : Two-seat trainer for the Pakistan Air Force. Five built.
Mirage IIIDS : Two-seat trainer for the Swiss Air Force. Two delivered 1983.
Mirage IIIDV : Two-seat trainer for the Venezuelan Air Force; three built.
Mirage IIIDZ : Two-seat trainer for the South African Air Force; three delivered 1969.
Mirage IIID2Z : Two-seat trainer for the South African Air Force, fitted with an Atar 9K-50 turbojet engine; giving 49.2 kN (11,100 lbf) thrust dry and 70.6 kN (15,900 lbf) with reheat. Eleven built.

Mirage IIIEA : Mirage IIIE for the Argentine Air Force. 17 built.
Mirage IIIEBR : Mirage IIIE for the Brazilian Air Force; 16 built, locally designated F-103E.
Mirage IIIEBR-2 : Refurbished and updated aircraft for the Brazilian Air Force, with canard foreplanes. Four ex-French aircraft sold to Brazil in 1988, with surviving Mirage IIIEBRs upgraded to same standard.
Mirage IIIEE : Mirage IIIE for the Spanish Air Force, locally designated C.11. 24 delivered from 1970.
Mirage IIIEL : Mirage IIIE for the Lebanese Air Force, omitting doppler radar, including HF antenna. 10 delivered from 1967 and 1969.
Mirage IIIEP : Mirage IIIE for the Pakistan Air Force. 18 delivered 1967–1969.
Mirage IIIEV : Mirage IIIE for the Venezuelan Air Force, omitting doppler radar. Seven built. Survivors upgraded to Mirage 50EV standard.
Mirage IIIEZ : Mirage IIIE for the South African Air Force; 17 delivered 1965–1972.

Mirage IIIO: Single-seat all-weather fighter-bomber aircraft for the Royal Australian Air Force. Single prototype powered by 53.68 kN (12,070 lbf) dry thrust and 71.17 kN (16,000 lbf) Rolls-Royce Avon Mk.67 turbojet engine, but order placed for aircraft based on Mirage IIIE, powered by Atar engine in March 1961. 100 aircraft built, of which 98 were built under licence in Australia. The first 49 were Mirage IIIO(F) interceptors which were followed by 51 Mirage IIIO(A) fighter bombers, with survivors brought up to a common standard later.

Mirage IIIRD : Single-seat all-weather reconnaissance aircraft for the French Air Force, equipped with improved avionics, including undernose doppler radar as in the Mirage IIIE. Provision to carry infrared linescan, Doppler navigation radar or side looking airborne radar (SLAR) in interchangeable pod. 20 built.
Mirage IIIRJ : Single-seat all-weather econniassance aircraft of the Israeli Air Force. Two Mirage IIICZs converted into reconnaissance aircraft.
Mirage IIIRP : Export version of the Mirage IIIR for the Pakistan Air Force; 13 built.
Mirage IIIRS : Export version of the Mirage IIIR for the Swiss Air Force; 18 built.
Mirage IIIRZ : Export version of the Mirage IIIR for the South African Air Force; four built.
Mirage IIIR2Z : Export version of the Mirage IIIR for the South African Air Force, fitted with an Atar 9K-50 turbojet engine; four built.
 
Mirage IIIS: Single-seat all-weather interceptor fighter aircraft for the Swiss Air Force, based on the IIIC, but fitted with a Hughes TARAN 18 radar and fire-control system and armed with AIM-4 Falcon and Sidewinder air-to-air missiles. Built under licence in Switzerland; 36 built.
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