Posao veka - Nabavka F 104 Starfighter za NATO

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Na talijanima je bio drugi, noviji domaći radar FIAR.

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Ima li netko podatke za njega

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Film o obaranju visinskog rekorda 1959. godine.

Historic footage of Joe Jordan's Record Altitude Flight. Scenes include: a/c on ramp at dawn, strategy board meeting - Maj Walt Daniel and Capt Joe Jordan, on flight line for instrumentation installation. Jordan walks out of Test Ops and enters cockpit, engine runup and taxi out, take off, contrail, tracking gear and graphs, contrail, landing and taxi in, out of aircraft, post flight and taking helmut off, inflight formation and other assorted shots.

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Dave Groark gives a detailed walkaround of the Lockheed F-104 Starfighter. Dave also shares several stories about he and his friends flying the F-104 and their experiences. This was filmed at the Historic Aviation Memorial Museum in Tyler Texas.

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Koliko sam uspija naci na internetu talijanski F-104S su najcesce nosili jednu AIM-7 i jednu AIM-9 raketu. Dok su koristeni kao lovci zbog opreme su morali skidati top. Takodjer radar je ima mali domet. Sve u svemu jako ogranicen avion. Zna li netko kakve taktike su koristili talijani? Kako bi ih koristili protiv nas

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Koliko sam uspija naci na internetu talijanski F-104S su najcesce nosili jednu AIM-7 i jednu AIM-9 raketu. Dok su koristeni kao lovci zbog opreme su morali skidati top. Takodjer radar je ima mali domet. Sve u svemu jako ogranicen avion. Zna li netko kakve taktike su koristili talijani? Kako bi ih koristili protiv nas

Ne znam kako si uspija na internetu naći tu kombinaciju sa jednom AIM-7 i jednom AIM-9, ali ti treba odati priznanje.
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Možda zato što si gledao samo jednu stranu.

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eto kad se gleda sa druge strane, mogu se uočiti te rakete.

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No kako bilo, italijanski "Starfajteri" su bili poslednja modifikacija i ujedno najuspešnija.
Taktika za ove avine se deli u tri poglavlja, jer su korišćeni kao presretači i lovci u sistemu PVO, ali i kao jurišnici u okviru lovačko bombarderskih zadataka.
Sve u svemu, to je taktika NATO avijacije.

Radar:  NASARR R-21G/M1 Setter - (FIAR, F-1) Radar, Radar, FCR, Air-to-Air & Air-to-Surface, Short-Range, Max range: 55.6 km
Omogućavao je gađanje vođenim raketama "Aspide Mk.1" u režimu "dole".

Što se tiče rivalskog radara na MiG-21bis, odnosno radara "RP-21 Sapfir", on je mogao da otkrije cilj veličine lovca na daljini 20 km.

Љуба

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Мислим да је основни проблем овог авиона била његова брзина. И код Канађана и код Немаца, ови авиони су заменили Canadair Sabre/F-86. Са 1100 kmh су прешли на 2400 kmh. Добили су чистокрвне пресретаче а покушали да их користе као универзалне ловце/ловце-бомбардере.

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Koliko sam uspija naci na internetu talijanski F-104S su najcesce nosili jednu AIM-7 i jednu AIM-9 raketu. Dok su koristeni kao lovci zbog opreme su morali skidati top. Takodjer radar je ima mali domet. Sve u svemu jako ogranicen avion. Zna li netko kakve taktike su koristili talijani? Kako bi ih koristili protiv nas

Ne znam kako si uspija na internetu naći tu kombinaciju sa jednom AIM-7 i jednom AIM-9, ali ti treba odati priznanje.
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Možda zato što si gledao samo jednu stranu.

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eto kad se gleda sa druge strane, mogu se uočiti te rakete.

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No kako bilo, italijanski "Starfajteri" su bili poslednja modifikacija i ujedno najuspešnija.
Taktika za ove avine se deli u tri poglavlja, jer su korišćeni kao presretači i lovci u sistemu PVO, ali i kao jurišnici u okviru lovačko bombarderskih zadataka.
Sve u svemu, to je taktika NATO avijacije.

Radar:  NASARR R-21G/M1 Setter - (FIAR, F-1) Radar, Radar, FCR, Air-to-Air & Air-to-Surface, Short-Range, Max range: 55.6 km
Omogućavao je gađanje vođenim raketama "Aspide Mk.1" u režimu "dole".

Što se tiče rivalskog radara na MiG-21bis, odnosno radara "RP-21 Sapfir", on je mogao da otkrije cilj veličine lovca na daljini 20 km.

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Naisa sam i ja na te slike i na podatke kako su nosili do cetiri rakete i o radaru velikog dometa ali to je sve  za poziranje. Sto se tice dometa radara to je za velike ciljeve dok je lovce moga otkriti na 30 km u savrsenim uvjetima. Zbog male kolicine goriva ima je mali domet ako nije nosija vanjske tankove. Evo sto sam nasa za naoruzanje:

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F-104S were build in two variants: the CIO with missiles and no gun and the CBO with gun and no missiles but bombs only.

The S could carry only two kind of Missiles: AIM-7F Sparrow (only on BL105 external pylons) and AIM-9B, only in the last year of service, that was 1989 a few were given AIM-9L instead.

Standard configuration was 1 Sparrow and 1 Sidewinder and that was used for QRA service.

To intercept strategic bombers or MiG-25 configuration was 2 Sparrows at BL105 and 2 Fuel tanks at wing tips

War configuration was with 4 missiles: 2 Sidewinder at wingtips, 2 Sparrows at BL104 and 2 fuel tanks at BL75. Underbelly pylons BL22 were never cleared for use even if each Squadron got those pylons and use to play with them during airshows. There are a few photos of BL22 in flight but with no missiles attached to them.

By 1989 all S has been retired from service and converted into S-ASA.

The ASA replaced the Bravo with the Lima and the Sparrow with the Aspide.

During mid '90s the Italian Air force was short of wing tips fuel tanks so the use of fuel tanks at BL75 and Sidewinders at wingtips become more common. Mind that to use AIM-9L at wingtips the F-104 needed two kinds of launchers: Red Dog attached to wing and LAU-7 attached to Red Dog.

But the 104 was tricky to fly without wing tip tanks, so, after a few crashes, more tanks were produced and the use of wing tip missiles forbidden by the end of the Nineties.

36-0 showed here above was the only one known to be loaded with 6 missiles and it never flew that way, it was out of service during the airshow so it was used to scare Ivan, later it come back to service as 36-03 without the BL22 pylons.
NODA and (later) 18°Gruppo were an exception: this new unit was reformed due to the crisis with Libya and equipped with F-104S (later ASA) bombers that become free with the introduction of the Tornado. So these few F-104 kept the gun and could not carry Sparrow or Aspide. These were often see flying with 4 AIM-9L: 2 at wing tips and 2 at BL105.

I just wrote a book to clarify all these matters and hope it will go to printers this year. :woot.gif:/>

Edited February 22, 2016 by Paolo Maglio[quote

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