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« Reply #46 on: February 09, 2011, 04:09:37 pm » |
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Нажалост, не знам претходни историјат оригинала, та фотографија је изронила недавно на Забавнику али с обзиром да су тамо стручњаци за историју архитектуре и уметности, као и за урбанизам, прошла је веома незапажено... Зато сам се и оградио, верујући да је реч о нечем недовољно познатом, сад ми је јасно након ових расправа да је реч о нечему што нема јасан одговор тј. вероватно некој импровизацији. ОК, хвала још једном, идемо даље. |
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« Reply #48 on: February 19, 2011, 10:11:31 am » |
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Bravo Jadrane,
lipa stranica dosada meni nepoznata.
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« Reply #49 on: February 19, 2011, 11:00:21 am » |
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steta sto se ne moze povecati (bar meni ne uspijeva), ali - ima jos.....FT17
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« Reply #50 on: February 21, 2011, 12:42:45 pm » |
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fotografija ovog tenka Sorry I don't write your language, but I can read via translator. pics from ebay and net R35's pics [ Attachment: You are not allowed to view attachments ] http://i75.servimg.com/u/f75/13/65/48/94/sans_t13.jpgFT17 and M28 pics [ Attachment: You are not allowed to view attachments ] http://i75.servimg.com/u/f75/13/65/48/94/sans_t14.jpg |
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« Reply #51 on: February 21, 2011, 01:05:10 pm » |
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Bienvenue nox. Dommage que les petites photos, voici quelques unes qui n'ont jamais été publiés dans la région. Est-il possible de les voir en plus grand format?  Beaucoup de choses nous n'avons pas eu la chance de voir. |
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« Reply #52 on: February 21, 2011, 01:19:33 pm » |
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Est-il possible de les voir en plus grand format? Yes of course! Many pics come from your website and from ebay. It's really nice to write in french, thanks. I make a file that you can download here http://www.zshare.net/download/86887900532707b9/89 pics of yugoslav R35, FT17 and M28. I've seen you liked my job like Pz38t on M15 hull.  |
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« Reply #53 on: February 21, 2011, 01:21:27 pm » |
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« Reply #54 on: February 21, 2011, 01:25:38 pm » |
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I've seen you liked my job like Pz38t on M15 hull. Excelent job.  |
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« Reply #55 on: February 21, 2011, 02:39:07 pm » |
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I try to classify R35 by french renault registration.
If you identify one, don't hesitate.
For ex-yugoslavian reused by germans, I don't understand why they kept registration on hull.
I think that they didn't repaint R35 in grey and reused in yugoslav green.
7 SS Prinz Eugen repainted their R35 in grey but painted original registration on exhaust muffler like n°4988 and 4998.
Some R35 were classified with caption of the seller like Youg.R35.03
Idem for some FT17 like Youg.FT17.05-06-07-08 classified with seller infos.
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« Reply #56 on: February 21, 2011, 02:59:35 pm » |
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I've seen you liked my job like Pz38t on M15 hull. I really enjoy in your artwork I try to classify R35 by french renault registration.
If you identify one, don't hesitate.
For ex-yugoslavian reused by germans, I don't understand why they kept registration on hull.
I think that they didn't repaint R35 in grey and reused in yugoslav green.
7 SS Prinz Eugen repainted their R35 in grey but painted original registration on exhaust muffler like n°4988 and 4998.
Some R35 were classified with caption of the seller like Youg.R35.03
Idem for some FT17 like Youg.FT17.05-06-07-08 classified with seller infos.
Give us a some time to study the photos. Someone will shurly know's answers to your questions |
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« Reply #57 on: February 21, 2011, 06:21:42 pm » |
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Dear Nox
the identification of the M15+PzKw38 turret was brilliant, and it is a quite a pleasure to find out such unique vehicle!
Concerning Renault R-35 in German use after the capture from Yugoslav Army, they were only used by PzKp 12 zu bV 1941-1945.
Armoured unit of the SS Prinz Eugen did not operated those vehicles. On the collection of the Renault R35 photoes, that You have posted, all of them that which were taken in combat in Bosnia 1942, belonged to the 12.PzKp which have dispatched its VII-XII platoon to support the anti partisan operations there.
For me was unusuall why the Germans marked the Hotchkiss tanks with numbers that were continuation of the ex-Yugoslav numbers, such it was practice in SS div P.Eugen.
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« Reply #58 on: February 22, 2011, 10:51:34 am » |
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the identification of the M15+PzKw38 turret was brilliant, and it is a quite a pleasure to find out such unique vehicle!I am not the discoverer, it's another french man.  http://i75.servimg.com/u/f75/13/65/48/94/sans_t15.jpgThese R35 are often identified as 7SS Prinz Eugen , men around Afv are SS. You are right, Prinz Eugen use 17x PzKpf B2 on 31 may 1943, transfered to Pz.Kp.z.b.V.12 in exchange for 9x H38 in August 1943. No R35. Only Pz.Kp.z.b.V.12 have 22 R35 on 31 may 1943 in this area.
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« Reply #59 on: February 22, 2011, 12:23:18 pm » |
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It is puzzle for me why the SS waffen officers are around, and also why the tanks have the refelctor, as it was practice later through 1943 with Hotchkiss tanks in SS PE division.
Pz Kp 7 have in 1942 Char B.2, but I do not believe that they were transffered with the division to Croatia in January 1943, and they did not participated in the combat with partisans since February 1943.
Now I am throwing out for a disscusion> It could be a possibility that Pz Kp 7 received some R-35 in Serbia, prior to planned huge engagement against partisans, moved to Croatia in January (as on known photes), but exchanged them for Hotchkiss there? Since they later in 1943 operated only H-38 tanks.
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