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« Reply #105 on: August 18, 2011, 03:26:25 pm » |
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Evo jedne grupe minonosaca, direktno sa pijace danas  [ Attachment: You are not allowed to view attachments ] Sa desne strane, na levo: Galeb, Labud, Kobac. |
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« Reply #106 on: August 18, 2011, 03:27:52 pm » |
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« Reply #107 on: August 18, 2011, 04:38:15 pm » |
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Evo jedne grupe minonosaca, direktno sa pijace danas [ Attachment: You are not allowed to view attachments ] Sa desne strane, na levo: Galeb, Labud, Kobac. Snimljeno u hvarskoj luci.Znali se koje godine? |
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« Reply #108 on: August 18, 2011, 04:40:26 pm » |
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Podataka na pozadini fotografije nema, ali ako je sudeći po fotopapiru, snimljeno je u ranim tridesetima ...
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« Reply #109 on: September 24, 2011, 06:10:57 pm » |
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Minonosci ispred Arsenala u Tivtu, prilikom posete engleske flote.
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« Reply #110 on: September 24, 2011, 06:12:29 pm » |
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Malo uvećani detalji.
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« Reply #111 on: September 25, 2011, 06:57:40 am » |
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Sjajno dred, ovu fotografiju nikada do sad nisam vidio, fantasticna je! |
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« Reply #112 on: November 06, 2011, 09:56:54 pm » |
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Hello,
do you know how did Vergada (ex Orao) get to Malta in September 1943? Where was this vessel based at the time of Italian Armistice? Was it difficult to get to Malta? Actually I have got same questions to 4 other ex Yugoslav vessels - Fata (ex Vila), Meleda (ex Mljet), Solta (ex Meljine) and Ugliano (ex Marjan).
Many thanks in advance for any info.
Best greetings from Poland
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« Reply #113 on: January 26, 2012, 09:16:08 pm » |
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Sorry that I´m a little bit late with this answer, but I have found the question only now.
According to the Italian official naval history (La Marina dall´8 settember 1943 alla fine del conflitto, published by Ufficio storico della Marina militare, Rome 1962), VERGADA was part of a three ship detachment that arrived to Saseno (an island in front of Valona/Albania) in the night of 9/10 September 1943, coming from Argostoli in Greece. Other two vessels were MAS 517 and submarine chaser PASMAN (probably not identical with the mine-layer PASMAN, former RYN MOSOR), and the detachment was commanded by capitano di corveta (Lt. Commander) Girolamo Delfino. The soldiers and sailors at Saseno were ordered by the local command from Valona to surrender the island and to destroy their weapons, but local commander asked his superior command at Brindisi for instructions. Finally he was ordered by Admiral de Courten to leave Saseno and evacuate his personnel to Brindisi. The soldiers were evacuated on 19 small vessels and boats, escorted by three vessels of LtCdr Delfino, and arrived to Brindisi on 11 September. There all vessels were put under control of the Allies, and cooperated with the Royal Navy as the Extended Defence Office, responsible for anti-submarine war. So it seems that VERGADA came only later to Malta (or directly to Yugoslavia in 1945), when the second batch of former Royal Yugoslav Warships were returned to Yugoslavia. The identity of this PASMAN is not clear: if it was former RYN minelayer, than she escaped to the Germans, and was lost by stranding in December 1943. When it was another vessel with the same name (presumably smaller submarine chaser), I ´ll try to identify her.
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« Reply #114 on: January 29, 2012, 10:41:31 am » |
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Thanks a lot for your post. It is really very interesting. Now it is more clear for me about VERGADA and Italian Armistice. I wonder whether there are any info about FATA (ex Vila), LEVRERA (ex Klis), MELEDA (ex Mljet), SOLTA (ex Meljine) or UGLIANO (ex Marjan). Any information about naval activities between Brindisi and Albanian coast in those days is much appreciated by me. Regarding PASMAN I know that there was also a small yugoslavian coastal passenger ship of this name which was seized by Italians (could be used as submarine chaser. Thanks again and looking forward for getting any further info from you.
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« Reply #115 on: March 27, 2012, 11:04:28 pm » |
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The Storia Militare of March have photos of Kobac and Orao as anti-submarine - they had sonar installed - ships in Italian navy. The main guns seems to have been replaced.
I'll try to get copy of photos.
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« Reply #116 on: March 31, 2012, 06:45:03 am » |
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ex-Cobac i ex-Orao
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« Reply #117 on: March 31, 2012, 01:11:13 pm » |
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Exactly when I have terminated my Storia militare abonment... But Cobac? Similarily to "Junac neznani" (=unknown teenage calf...).
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« Reply #118 on: March 31, 2012, 01:37:14 pm » |
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Yunac = молодое говядо. Юнак = Герой. Незнани юнак= Неизвестный герой. Относится символически к неизвестному солдату, погибшему во время немецкой атаки на Белград, в 1915г., командующий фельдмаршал Макензен. Junac, через "ц" в латинице - это какой-то итальянец делал транскрипцию, конечно ошибочно - так и получилась корова, вместо героя. В сербском/хорватском/боснийском/черногорском языках орфография очень чётко фонетическа - каждая буква означает только тот голос, который обозначен буквой, и так и читается. Иностранные слова в сербском варианте в принципе переводятся, в хорватском их оставляем как в первоисточнике, без перевода.
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« Reply #119 on: March 31, 2012, 02:30:13 pm » |
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Illich, всё-таки, спасибо за интересные фотографии; мы все учимся..... Hvala za interesantne fotografije; svi učimo i učimo......
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