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Author Topic: Oklopna sredstva na teritoriji Jugoslavije 41-45  (Read 387810 times)
 
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« Reply #480 on: July 04, 2011, 10:50:57 pm »

Ma ima toga koliko hoćeš, moglo je da se sačuva masa stvari, ali....
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« Reply #481 on: July 05, 2011, 09:11:24 am »

like matija191 wrote
Pa u Vojnom muzeju u Beogradu ima dosta sačuvanih vozila (Pz. I ausf. F, Panzer II, Panzer IV ausf. G, TK-3, L3, M13/40, itd.).
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U dvorištu Historijskog muzeja u Sarajevu stoji jedan oklopni vagon NDH
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« Reply #482 on: July 05, 2011, 09:17:19 am »


Pa u Vojnom muzeju u Beogradu ima dosta sačuvanih vozila (Pz. I ausf. F, Panzer II, Panzer IV ausf. G, TK-3, L3, M13/40, itd.).


A ima li u postavci shermana.....?

Naravno nema....ali ga po livadama ima

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« Reply #483 on: July 05, 2011, 09:37:01 am »

Naravno da nema. Od tenkova tu imaš: T-34/85, A-1 domaći tenk, PzKpfw IV ausf G, PzKpfw I ausf F, PzKpfw II, StuG II ausf F/8, M13/40, M3 Stuart, M5 Stuart, Renault FT-17, CV 33, PzKpfw. 35(t) i tanketa TKF.
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« Reply #484 on: July 05, 2011, 09:38:00 am »

Možda je i bila ova fotka, ali opet...

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« Reply #485 on: July 05, 2011, 09:43:43 am »

I think that all afv, that Belgrade museum have, came from captured or used in Yugoslavia 1941-45.
I know pictures of Sherman in Trieste 1945 but used by new zealand.
Partisans didn't have Sherman.

During the 1950s Yugoslavia was supplied with both WW2 surplus:
M8 Greyhound Armoured Car
M3 Half-Track
White M3A1 Scout Car
M3A3/M3A5 Stuart Light Tank
M18 Hellcat 76 mm
M36 Jackson
M7/M7B2 Priest.
630 Sherman M4-series (including M32, M32B1 and M74 Tank Recovery Vehicles) and 300 M47 Patton Medium Tanks were supplied.
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Belgrade museum have really nice and rare afv, M13, PzI F(2 in the world).....
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« Reply #486 on: July 05, 2011, 10:09:31 am »

Not Shermans, but they did have Howitzer Motor Carriage M8. But non of them was preserved.

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Pominjali smo M-8 ovde.


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« Reply #487 on: July 05, 2011, 10:12:32 am »

Presek M8

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« Reply #488 on: July 05, 2011, 12:28:00 pm »

U Vojnom muzeju u Beogradu je tanketa TKF.

Hvala, nisam to znao  - znači OS NDH su koristile i TK-F tankete.

Nego, ovdje imate još par slika hrv. oklopnog vagona u Sarajevu:

http://www.maketarstvo.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=938&start=0

http://www.andrewgrantham.co.uk/tag/bosnia/ (tu je i Stuart tenk)

Još jedna slika Handžarovog Schwimmwagena:

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Sad baš gledam sliku dom. Panzer I i ovaj drugi mi se čini kao da ima kupolu F inačice - što vi mislite?

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« Reply #489 on: July 05, 2011, 01:31:40 pm »


Pa u Vojnom muzeju u Beogradu ima dosta sačuvanih vozila (Pz. I ausf. F, Panzer II, Panzer IV ausf. G, TK-3, L3, M13/40, itd.).

VM u Beogradu ima sjajnu kolekciju, međutim, mnogi primerci su u lošem stanju.

A ima li u postavci shermana.....?

Naravno nema....ali ga po livadama ima

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« Reply #490 on: July 05, 2011, 10:05:10 pm »

Sad baš gledam sliku dom. Panzer I i ovaj drugi mi se čini kao da ima kupolu F inačice - što vi mislite?

Definitivno ausf F.  Matija

Što se tiče tanketa klase TK, našao sam ovu sličicu dok sam radio temu o njima. E sad ako neko može da identifikuje pripadaju li ove tankete TKS Domobranstvu ili Ustaškoj vojnici.

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« Reply #491 on: July 05, 2011, 10:08:02 pm »

Prije bih rekao da je to dio PTS-a, dakle vojnice. Ovako iz daljine po znaku na kapi teško je izravno odrediti postrojbu.
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« Reply #492 on: July 06, 2011, 01:37:25 am »

Sad baš gledam sliku dom. Panzer I i ovaj drugi mi se čini kao da ima kupolu F inačice - što vi mislite?

Definitivno ausf F.  Matija
Не тако брзо.

Шасија сигурно није 1Ф, а и купола ми се чини другачија, као да цеви краће вире (или је другачији митраљез) и да је бочна страна другачија.
Са овако лошом сликом мислим да се не може рећи са сигурношћу.
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« Reply #493 on: July 07, 2011, 06:01:56 pm »

@vathra

Ako nije F model, koji je onda?Jer nije sigurno ni model A.

Evo još par slika - prve tri prikazuju tehniku zarobljenu od strane partizana nakon tal. kapitulacije, a zadnja uništena tanketa L3lf. (ako se ne varam), je ili njemačka ili ustaška (negdje stoji u komentaru da je okupatorska, a negdje da je njemačka):

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« Reply #494 on: July 07, 2011, 06:05:41 pm »

Sad baš gledam sliku dom. Panzer I i ovaj drugi mi se čini kao da ima kupolu F inačice - što vi mislite?

Definitivno ausf F.  Matija

Što se tiče tanketa klase TK, našao sam ovu sličicu dok sam radio temu o njima. E sad ako neko može da identifikuje pripadaju li ove tankete TKS Domobranstvu ili Ustaškoj vojnici.

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Pa ako je vjerovati Poljacima, tankete pripadaju Redarstvenoj straži (ekvivalent današnjim specijalcima).No, mnogi ovdje u HR sumnjaju da je slika slikana u HR, jer su tankete obojane u kamuflažnu, dok su tankete Dom. bile obojane u panzergrau (sivo).Također fotografija je mutna pa se jako teško primijeti znak na kapama koji bi eventualno otkrio tko je na slici.PTS-ovci i ustaše nisu sigurno.Ja isto mislim da se radi o pripadnicima Redarstvene straže, evo slika jednoga od njih, pa sami usporedite:

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