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« Reply #30 on: January 29, 2011, 09:54:42 pm »

11113 se javlja dva puta, a 11116 nema.
Oni brojevi 06-xxx se pojavljuju samo za avione isporučene u Jugoslaviju i nemam pojma šta znače.
Imam od 11045 do 11121 uz napomenu da se 11113 pojavljuje dva puta a 11116 nijedan put.
Imam podatke za 8 aviona iz prve serije a nemam Ev.br. Drugo hvala Deligradu ide zato što je ukazao na jedan broj.
Ove informacije su po fazonu pošto kupio po to prodao. Nadam se da vrede nešto.
P.S. Sada mogu malo da se vratim na MiG-21.
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« Reply #31 on: January 29, 2011, 09:56:56 pm »

TNT nije mi jasno koje su to oznake na 06-xxx naši Sejbrovi su od početka imali oznake 11001 i dalje. Mislim da su se Britanci nešto prebutnuli ...
 
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« Reply #32 on: January 29, 2011, 10:12:19 pm »

TNT nije mi jasno koje su to oznake na 06-xxx naši Sejbrovi su od početka imali oznake 11001 i dalje. Mislim da su se Britanci nešto prebutnuli ...
 

Mislim da su to bili brojevi koje je USAF koristio za ove letelice kada su prema Programu vojne pomoći upućivani u italiju i jugoslaviju.

Elem, nešto o britanskim avionima tipa Sabre, a što je još važnije o njihovim oznakama:

Sabre with RAF

It is not widely known, but the Canadair Sabre served with Britain's Royal Air Force for a brief time. During the early 1950s, the Sabres of the RCAF were actually the only swept-wing fighters available for the defense of Western Europe. At that time, the Royal Air Force was still flying such straight-winged types as the Gloster Meteor and the DeHavilland Vampire while they waited for the swept-wing Supermarine Swift and Hawker Hunter to reach production status. Early in 1953 the RAF somewhat reluctantly decided to acquire the Canadair Sabre to fill in the gap. United States MDAP funds helped to provide 430 Sabre Mk 2 and Mk 4 fighters for the RAF.

Britain obtained three Mk 2 Sabres for the RAF in October 1952. These were loaned in preparation for the delivery of no less than 428 Sabre Mk 4s. Deliveries of Sabre Mk 4s continued from December 1952 to December 1953. They were supplied to the Royal Air Force for use in Germany as Britain's contribution to the NATO effort. The RAF kept Canadair's mark numbers, but rendered them in British style as F.2 and F.4. RAF serials for the Canadair Sabres were XB530/550 (21), XB575/603 (29), XB606/646 (41), XB664/713 (50), XB726/769 (44), XB790/839 (50), XB856/905 (50), XB941/990 (50), XD102/138 (37), XD707/736 (30), and XD753/781 (29). One Sabre F.4 (XB551) was procured separately to replace a Sabre F.2 (XB530) which was returned to Canada. The lot XD102/138 was later re-serialled as follows. XD102/105 --> XB647/650, XD106/111 --> XB770/775, XD112/116 --> XB851/855, and XD117/138 --> XB978/999. This ended up causing some duplication of some serial numbers in the XB941/990 branch, which was eradicated by separately having XB901/905 being reserialed as XB912/916 and XB941/990 becoming XB917/977.

Those Sabres purchased with MDAP funds were assigned USAF serial numbers 52-10177/10236, although they never actually served with the USAF.

The first RAF Squadron to take delivery of the Sabre was No 67 Tactical Air Force Squadron, which became operational in May of 1953. In December No. 66 Squadron became the first RAF Fighter Command Sabre unit. RAF Tactical Air Force Squadrons Nos 3, 4, 20, 26, 67, 71, 93, 112, 130, and 234 reequipped with Sabres and were based in Germany. Fighter Command Squadrons No.66 and 92 remained in Britain with their Sabres.

RAF Sabre XB982 (the 773rd Canadair-built Sabre) was used as a test bed for the Bristol Siddeley Orpheus 801 engine in 1958. It made its first flight on July 3, 1958, and made subsequent flights with upgraded versions of that non-afterburning engine, which produced 6810 pounds of thrust. Had this engine become available earlier, the Orpheus engine may well have been adopted for the RAF Sabre, but by this time the Sabre had reached the end of the line and more advanced aircraft were already entering service.

The service of the Sabre with the RAF was rather brief, the aircraft being seen only as an interim type. By June of 1956, all RAF Sabres based in Germany had been replaced by Hawker Hunters. The ex-RAF Sabres were then transferred to other European air forces, notably Italy (180 aircraft) and Yugoslavia (121 aircraft).

Between 1956 and 1958, 302 ex-RAF Sabres were returned to the USAF. These planes were painted in camouflage, provided with USAF national markings and even given spurious USAF serial numbers (actually their original RCAF serials). These were assigned the designation F-86E(M) for record-keeping purposes, where the M stood for *Modified*.

Sabres for Yugoslavia

During 1958-59, Yugoslavia's air arm, the Jugoslovensko Ratno Vazduhoplovstvo (JRV), got 122 of the ex-RAF Sabre F.4s which had been returned to the USAF. Yugoslavia was one of the few nations with an air force that flew both Western and Soviet Bloc combat aircraft side-by-side. During a border incident in the late 1950s, a JRV Sabre shot down a Hungarian MiG-15.

Eight Yugoslavian F-86E(M)s were eventually transferred to the Fuerza Aerea Hondurana, the first of which arrived in 1976. Some of these Sabres remained flying into the 1990s, but by now they have probably all gone to the boneyard.

Ovo sam našao danas ovde:

http://www.joebaugher.com/usaf_fighters/p86_22.html

E sad, uspeo sam i ovo da nađem danas, što može da pomogne u rasvetljavanju priče oko naših Sablji. Malo će biti mučno kopati, ali opet, bez muke nema istorije u ovom slučaju.

http://www.ukserials.com/
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« Reply #33 on: January 29, 2011, 11:05:21 pm »

Jos malo igranja brojkama za F-86E, onako kako su upisani u registar letelica JRV (prva cifra je evidencijski broj a druga americki serijski):

11001   53-19864
11002   53-19696
11003   53-19455
11004   53-19459
11005   53-19468
11006   53-19612
11007   53-19613
11008   53-19851
11009   53-19558
11010   53-19688
11011   53-19475
11012   53-19756
11013   53-19776
11014   53-19836
11015   53-19844
11016   53-19691
11017   53-19718
11018   53-19726
11019   53-19828
11020   53-19815
11021   53-19602
11022   53-19614
11023   53-19690
11024   53-19716
11025   53-19856
11026   53-19621
11027   53-19876
11028   53-19485
11029   53-19791
11030   53-19846
11031   53-19677
11032   53-19735
11033   53-19808
11034   53-19667
11035   53-19727
11036   52-19578
11037   53-19843
11038   53-19800
11039   53-19810
11040   53-19697
11041   53-19825
11042   53-19785
11043   53-19852
11044   52-19459
11045   52-19461
11046   52-19473
11047   52-19489
11048   52-19494
11049   52-19514
11050   52-19520
11051   52-19524
11052   52-19527
11053   52-19535
11054   52-19539
11055   52-19556
11056   52-19566
11057   52-19568
11058   53-19580
11059   52-19583
11060   53-19587
11061   53-19592
11062   53-19593
11063   53-19606
11064   53-19610
11065   52-19615
11066   52-19622
11067   52-19623
11068   52-19631
11069   52-19635
11070   52-19641
11071   52-19646
11072   53-19648
11073   52-19651
11074   52-19653
11075   53-19665
11076   53-19669
11077   53-19674
11078   53-19678
11079   53-19681
11080   53-19692
11081   53-19700
11082   53-19702
11083   53-19706
11084   53-19710
11085   53-19721
11086   53-19725
11087   53-19736
11088   53-19738
11089   53-19741
11090   53-19742
11091   53-19755
11092   53-19758
11093   53-19759
11094   53-19762
11095   53-19763
11096   53-19767
11097   53-19774
11098   53-19781
11099   53-19783
11100   53-19795
11101   53-19806
11102   53-19807
11103   53-19809
11104   53-19813
11105   53-19816
11106   53-19821
11107   53-19826
11108   53-19833
11109   53-19840
11110   53-19847
11111   53-19849
11112   53-19850
11113   53-19857
11114   53-19860
11115   52-19861
11116   53-19862
11117   53-19867
11118   53-19869
11119   53-19875
11120   53-19878
11121   53-19890

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« Reply #34 on: January 29, 2011, 11:37:14 pm »

Milane nisam ni sumnjao da to postoji, ali da dopunim zbrku ja nađoh i ovo

52-10177/10236   Canadair F-86E-6-CAN Sabre (60)
MDAP for RAF as Sabre Mk 4 (XD706/736 and XD753/781)
10180   (c/n 610) RCAF 19710 to RAF as XD709. To Yugoslavian AF as JRV 11084
10191   (c/n 621) RCAF 19721 to RAF as XD720. To Yugoslavian AF as JRV 11085
10195   (c/n 625) RCAF 19725 to RAF as XD724. To Yugoslavian AF as JRV 11086. To Honduras AF as FAH 3004 in 1976.
10208   (c/n 655) RCAF 19755 to RAF as XD753. To Yugoslavian AF as JRV 11091
10211   (c/n 658) RCAF 19758 to RAF as XD756. To Yugoslavian AF as JRV 11092
10212   (c/n 659) RCAF 19759 to RAF as XD757. To Yugoslavian AF as JRV 11093. Wreck at Subotic/Serbia in 2003.
10215   (c/n 662) RCAF 19762 to RAF as XD760. To Yugoslavian AF as JRV 11094. To Honduras AF as FAH 3005 in 1976.
10216   (c/n 663) RCAF 19763 to RAF as XD761. To Yugoslavian AF as JRV 11095
10220   (c/n 667) RCAF 19767 to RAF as XD765. To Yugoslavian AF as JRV 11096
10229   (c/n 695) RCAF 19795 to RAF as XD774. To Yugoslavian AF as JRV 11???
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« Reply #35 on: January 29, 2011, 11:47:08 pm »

Ali evo šta sam našao (mislim da će i Motorista vrlo brzo ovo uočiti).
The service of the Sabre with the RAF was rather brief, the aircraft being seen only as an interim type. By 06.1956. all RAF Sabres based in Germany had been replaced by Hawker Hunters. The ex-RAF Sabres were then transferred to other European air forces, notably Italy (180 aircraft) and Yugoslavia (121 aircraft).
Between 1956. and 1958. 302 ex-RAF Sabres were returned to the USAF. These planes were painted in camouflage, provided with USAF national markings and even given spurious USAF serial numbers (actually their original RCAF serials). These were assigned the designation F-86E(M) for record-keeping purposes, where the M stood for *Modified*.
Čini mi se da je m-hobby naveo USAF seriale kao godina proizvodnje+RCAF (52-19xxx i 53-19xxx) i da je to bilo samo za prelet, a da su pravi USAF serijali bili drugačiji. Ali da ne pametujem previše.
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« Reply #36 on: January 30, 2011, 11:43:25 am »

Video sam ovo, ali koliko sam ja shvatio oni su ove brojeve dodeljivali avionima koje su prosledili ili prodali drugim zemljama, tako da ove letelice nisu videle ni dan službe u USAF-u.
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« Reply #37 on: January 30, 2011, 01:11:33 pm »

Milane, da nema slučajno grešaka u prekucavanju. Recimo 11100 53-19795 ?
 
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« Reply #38 on: January 30, 2011, 04:25:49 pm »

Milane, da nema slučajno grešaka u prekucavanju. Recimo 11100 53-19795 ?
 
U dokumentima stoji tako.
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« Reply #39 on: January 31, 2011, 11:27:47 pm »

OK hvala i izvini.
Zahvaljujem Milanu i mogu da kažem da podaci za 11100 koje sam naveo se odnose na 10042.
Ispravljen i dopunjen pregled sledi.
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« Reply #40 on: February 01, 2011, 02:31:26 am »

Milane, jedno je pogrešno

11110 - 53-19862

11116 - 53-19862
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« Reply #41 on: February 01, 2011, 09:17:21 am »

Milane, jedno je pogrešno
11110 - 53-19862
11116 - 53-19862

U pravu si, u jednom dokumentu (registru aviona JRV) pise ovako pogresno ali sam nasao na drugom mestu ispravku gde stoji sledece:

11110  53-19847
a  11116  je  53-19862

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« Reply #42 on: February 01, 2011, 10:39:49 am »

Hvala, sada se sve poklopilo.
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« Reply #43 on: February 01, 2011, 11:49:14 am »

Milane, jedno je pogrešno
11110 - 53-19862
11116 - 53-19862

U pravu si, u jednom dokumentu (registru aviona JRV) pise ovako pogresno ali sam nasao na drugom mestu ispravku gde stoji sledece:

11110  53-19847
a  11116  je  53-19862

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« Reply #44 on: February 04, 2011, 08:14:15 am »

Jedna nosata Sablja...

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