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« Reply #45 on: February 04, 2011, 11:02:24 pm » |
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« Reply #46 on: February 08, 2011, 06:30:21 pm » |
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Ima li neko prave VE brojeve naših F-86D. Onaj spisak na ABG-u je, blago rečeno, čudan.
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« Reply #47 on: February 08, 2011, 10:12:45 pm » |
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Još jedna fotka F-86E
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« Reply #49 on: February 09, 2011, 01:46:27 pm » |
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Zahvaljujući svima Vama a pre svega kolegama Deligrad i m-hobby uspeo sam da složim sve do sada publikovane podatke na sledeći način:
Ovaj avion je u RCAF označen kao Cl-13 Mk 4 Sabre, u RAF kao Sabre F4 a u USAF kao F-86E-6CAN, a kod nas je stigao kao F-86E(M)
11001 c/n 764 Ex USAF 53-19864 / RAF XB851 / RCAF 19864 21.05.1956. – 11002 c/n 596 Ex USAF 53-19696 / RAF XB858 / RCAF 19696 21.05.1956. – 11003 c/n 355 Ex USAF 53-19455 / RAF XB835 / RCAF 19455 23.07.1956. – 11004 c/n 359 Ex USAF 53-19459 / RAF XB761 / RCAF 19459 23.07.1956. – 11005 c/n 368 Ex USAF 53-19468 / RAF XB537 / RCAF 19468 23.07.1956. – 11006 c/n 512 Ex USAF 53-19612 / RAF XB738 / RCAF 19612 23.07.1956. – 11007 c/n 513 Ex USAF 53-19613 / RAF XB739 / RCAF 19613 22.05.1957. – 11008 c/n 751 Ex USAF 53-19851 / RAF XB975 / RCAF 19851 22.05.1957. – 11009 c/n 458 Ex USAF 53-19558 / RAF XB672 / RCAF 19558 22.05.1957. – 11010 c/n 588 Ex USAF 53-19688 / RAF XB834 / RCAF 19688 22.05.1957. – 11011 c/n 375 Ex USAF 53-19475 / RAF XB544 / RCAF 19475 13.06.1957. – 11012 c/n 656 Ex USAF 53-19756 / RAF XD754 / RCAF 19756 13.06.1957. – 11013 c/n 676 Ex USAF 53-19776 / RAF XB888 / RCAF 19776 13.06.1957. – 11014 c/n 736 Ex USAF 53-19836 / RAF XB949 / RCAF 19836 21.06.1957. – 11015 c/n 744 Ex USAF 53-19844 / RAF XB957 / RCAF 19844 21.06.1957. – 11016 c/n 591 Ex USAF 53-19691 / RAF XB837 / RCAF 19691 13.07.1957. – 11017 c/n 618 Ex USAF 53-19718 / RAF XD717 / RCAF 19718 13.07.1957. – 11018 c/n 626 Ex USAF 53-19726 / RAF XD725 / RCAF 19726 13.07.1957. – 11019 c/n 728 Ex USAF 53-19828 / RAF XB941 / RCAF 19828 13.07.1957. – 11020 c/n 715 Ex USAF 53-19815 / RAF XB928 / RCAF 19815 01.08.1957. – 11021 c/n 502 Ex USAF 53-19602 / RAF XB728 / RCAF 19602 08.08.1957. - 11022 c/n 514 Ex USAF 53-19614 / RAF XB740 / RCAF 19614 08.08.1957. – 11023 c/n 590 Ex USAF 53-19690 / RAF XB836 / RCAF 19690 08.08.1957. – 11024 c/n 616 Ex USAF 53-19716 / RAF XD715 / RCAF 19716 08.08.1957. – 11025 c/n 756 Ex USAF 53-19856 / RAF XB649 / RCAF 19856 08.08.1957. – 11026 c/n 521 Ex USAF 53-19621 / RAF XB747 / RCAF 19621 13.09.1957. – 11027 c/n 776 Ex USAF 53-19876 / RAF XB985 / RCAF 19876 13.09.1957. – 11028 c/n 385 Ex USAF 53-19485 / RAF XB578 / RCAF 19485 27.09.1957. – 11029 c/n 691 Ex USAF 53-19791 / RAF XB914 / RCAF 19791 27.09.1957. – 11030 c/n 746 Ex USAF 53-19846 / RAF XB959 / RCAF 19846 27.09.1957. – 11031 c/n 577 Ex USAF 53-19677 / RAF XB823 / RCAF 19677 27.09.1957. – 26.11.1957. Katastrofa 11032 c/n 635 Ex USAF 53-19735 / RAF XB872 / RCAF 19735 08.10.1957. – 11033 c/n 708 Ex USAF 53-19808 / RAF XB921 / RCAF 19808 08.10.1957. – 11034 c/n 567 Ex USAF 53-19667 / RAF XB813 / RCAF 19667 18.10.1957. – 11035 c/n 627 Ex USAF 53-19727 / RAF XD726 / RCAF 19727 18.10.1957. – 11036 c/n 478 Ex USAF 53-19758 / RAF XB692 / RCAF 19578 18.10.1957. – 11037 c/n 743 Ex USAF 53-19843 / RAF XB956 / RCAF 19843 26.11.1957. – 11038 c/n 700 Ex USAF 53-19800 / RAF XD779 / RCAF 19800 26.11.1957. – 11039 c/n 710 Ex USAF 53-19810 / RAF XB923 / RCAF 19810 11.12.1957. – 11040 c/n 597 Ex USAF 53-19697 / RAF XB859 / RCAF 19697 11.12.1957. – 11041 c/n 725 Ex USAF 53-19825 / RAF XB938 / RCAF 19825 11.12.1957. – 11042 c/n 685 Ex USAF 53-19785 / RAF XB897 / RCAF 19785 24.12.1957. – 11043 c/n 752 Ex USAF 53-19852 / RAF XB976 / RCAF 19852 24.12.1957. – 11044 c/n 357 Ex USAF 52-19457 / RAF XB689 / RCAF 19457 11045 c/n 361 Ex USAF 52-19461 / RAF XB806 / RCAF 19461 11046 c/n 373 Ex USAF 52-19473 / RAF XB542 / RCAF 19473 11047 c/n 389 Ex USAF 52-19489 / RAF XB582 / RCAF 19489 11048 c/n 394 Ex USAF 52-19494 / RAF XB587 / RCAF 19494 11049 c/n 414 Ex USAF 52-19514 / RAF XB611 / RCAF 19514 11050 c/n 419 EX USAF 52-19519 / RAF XB616 / RCAF 19519 11051 c/n 424 Ex USAF 52-19524 / RAF XB621 / RCAF 19524 11052 c/n 427 Ex USAF 52-19527 / RAF XB624 / RCAF 19527 11053 c/n 435 Ex USAF 52-19535 / RAF XB632 / RCAF 19535 11054 c/n 439 Ex USAF 52-19539 / RAF XB636 / RCAF 19539 11055 c/n 456 Ex USAF 52-19556 / RAF XB670 / RCAF 19556 11056 c/n 466 Ex USAF 52-19566 / RAF XB680 / RCAF 19566 11057 c/n 468 Ex USAF 52-19568 / RAF XB682 / RCAF 19568 11058 c/n 480 Ex USAF 53-19580 / RAF XB694 / RCAF 19580 11059 c/n 483 Ex USAF 52-19583 / RAF XB697 / RCAF 19583 11060 c/n 487 Ex USAF 53-19587 / RAF XB701 / RCAF 19587 11061 c/n 492 Ex USAF 53-19592 / RAF XB706 / RCAF 19592 11062 c/n 493 Ex USAF 53-19593 / RAF XB707 / RCAF 19593 11063 c/n 506 Ex USAF 53-19606 / RAF XB732 / RCAF 19606 11064 c/n 510 Ex USAF 53-19610 / RAF XB736 / RCAF 19610 11065 c/n 515 Ex USAF 52-19615 / RAF XB741 / RCAF 19615 11066 c/n 522 Ex USAF 52-19622 / RAF XB748 / RCAF 19622 11067 c/n 523 Ex USAF 52-19623 / RAF XB749 / RCAF 19623 11068 c/n 531 Ex USAF 52-19631 / RAF XB757 / RCAF 19631 11069 c/n 535 Ex USAF 52-19635 / RAF XB745 / RCAF 19635 11070 c/n 541 Ex USAF 52-19641 / RAF XB767 / RCAF 19641 11071 c/n 546 Ex USAF 52-19646 / RAF XB792 / RCAF 19646 11072 c/n 548 Ex USAF 53-19648 / RAF XB794 / RCAF 19648 11073 c/n 551 Ex USAF 52-19651 / RAF XB797 / RCAF 19651 11074 c/n 553 Ex USAF 52-19653 / RAF XB799 / RCAF 19653 11075 c/n 565 Ex USAF 53-19665 / RAF XB811 / RCAF 19665 11076 c/n 569 Ex USAF 53-19669 / RAF XB815 / RCAF 19669 11077 c/n 574 Ex USAF 53-19674 / RAF XB820 / RCAF 19674 11078 c/n 578 Ex USAF 53-19678 / RAF XB824 / RCAF 19678 11079 c/n 581 Ex USAF 53-19681 / RAF XB827 / RCAF 19681 11080 c/n 592 Ex USAF 53-19692 / RAF XB838 / RCAF 19692 11081 c/n 600 Ex USAF 53-19700 / RAF XB862 / RCAF 19700 11082 c/n 602 Ex USAF 53-19702 / RAF XB864 / RCAF 19702 11083 c/n 606 Ex USAF 53-19706 / RAF XB868 / RCAF 19706 11084 c/n 610 Ex USAF 53-19710 / RAF XD709 / RCAF 19710 11085 c/n 621 Ex USAF 53-19721 / RAF XD720 / RCAF 19721 11086 c/n 625 Ex USAF 53-19725 / RAF XD724 / RCAF 19725 11087 c/n 636 Ex USAF 53-19736 / RAF XB873 / RCAF 19736 11088 c/n 638 Ex USAF 53-19738 / RAF XB875 / RCAF 19738 11089 c/n 641 Ex USAF 53-19741 / RAF XB878 / RCAF 19741 11090 c/n 642 Ex USAF 53-19742 / RAF XB879 / RCAF 19742 11091 c/n 655 Ex USAF 53-19755 / RAF XD753 / RCAF 19755 11092 c/n 658 Ex USAF 53-19758 / RAF XD756 / RCAF 19758 11093 c/n 659 Ex USAF 53-19759 / RAF XD757 / RCAF 19759 11094 c/n 662 Ex USAF 53-19762 / RAF XD760 / RCAF 19762 11095 c/n 663 Ex USAF 53-19763 / RAF XD761 / RCAF 19763 11096 c/n 667 Ex USAF 53-19767 / RAF XD765 / RCAF 19767 11097 c/n 674 Ex USAF 53-19774 / RAF XB886 / RCAF 19774 11098 c/n 681 Ex USAF 53-19781 / RAF XB893 / RCAF 19781 11099 c/n 683 Ex USAF 53-19783 / RAF XB895 / RCAF 19783 11100 c/n 695 Ex USAF 53-19795 / RAF XD774 / RCAF 19795 11101 c/n 706 Ex USAF 53-19806 / RAF XB919 / RCAF 19806 11102 c/n 707 Ex USAF 53-19807 / RAF XB920 / RCAF 19807 11103 c/n 709 Ex USAF 53-19809 / RAF XB922 / RCAF 19809 11104 c/n 713 Ex USAF 53-19813 / RAF XB926 / RCAF 19813 11105 c/n 716 Ex USAF 53-19816 / RAF XB929 / RCAF 19816 11006 c/n 721 Ex USAF 53-19821 / RAF XB934 / RCAF 19821 11107 c/n 726 Ex USAF 53-19826 / RAF XB939 / RCAF 19826 11108 c/n 733 Ex USAF 53-19833 / RAF XB946 / RCAF 19833 11109 c/n 740 Ex USAF 53-19840 / RAF XB953 / RCAF 19840 11110 c/n 747 Ex USAF 53-19847 / RAF XB960 / RCAF 19847 11111 c/n 749 Ex USAF 53-19849 / RAF XB973 / RCAF 19849 11112 c/n 750 Ex USAF 53-19850 / RAF XB974 / RCAF 19850 11113 c/n 757 Ex USAF 53-19857 / RAF XB650 / RCAF 19857 11114 c/n 760 Ex USAF 53-19860 / RAF XB772 / RCAF 19860 11115 c/n 761 Ex USAF 52-19861 / RAF XB773 / RCAF 19861 11116 c/n 762 Ex USAF 53-19862 / RAF XB774 / RCAF 19862 11117 c/n 767 Ex USAF 53-19867 / RAF XB854 / RCAF 19867 11118 c/n 769 Ex USAF 53-19869 / RAF XB978 / RCAF 19869 11119 c/n 775 Ex USAF 53-19875 / RAF XB984 / RCAF 19875 11120 c/n 778 Ex USAF 53-19878 / RAF XB987 / RCAF 19878 11121 c/n 790 Ex USAF 53-19890 / RAF XB999 / RCAF 19890 NAPOMENE: 1. Za prva 43 aviona imamo datum rasporeda u jedinicu. 2. U Muzeju JV nalaze se 3 aviona avioni: 11025; 11054 i 11088. 3. 1976. godine su prodati Hondurasu sledećih 8 aviona: 11059 (FAH 3010 – ne 3001); 11077 (FAH 3009 – ne 3002); 11079 (FAH 3008 – ne 3003); 11086 (FAH 3007 – ne 3004); 11094 (FAH 3005 ?); 11097 (FAH 300?); 11106 (FAH 3006 – ne 3007) i 11118 (FAH 3002 – ne 3008). 4. Sledeći avioni su imali i USAF serijal kao F-86E-6-CAN: 11084 (Ex. USAF 52-10180); 11085 (Ex. USAF 52-10191); 11086 (Ex. USAF 52-10185); 11091 (Ex. USAF 52-10208); 11092 (Ex. USAF 52-10211); 11093 (Ex. USAF 52-10212); 11094 (Ex. USAF 52-10215); 11095 (Ex. USAF 52-10216); 11096 (Ex. USAF 52-10220) i 11100 (Ex. USAF 52-10229). 5. Sledeći avioni su imali i ovaj RAF serijal: 11001 (Ex. RAF XD112); 11019 (Ex. RAF XB965); 11020 (Ex. RAF XB952); 11025 (Ex. RAF XD104); 11027 (Ex. RAF XD124); 11029 (Ex. RAF XB903); 11030 (Ex. RAF XB983); 11033 (Ex. RAF XB945); 11037 (Ex. RAF XB980); 11039 (Ex. RAF XB947); 11041 (Ex. RAF XB962); 11043 (Ex. RAF XB989); 11101 (Ex. RAF XB944); 11102 (Ex. RAF XB944); 11103 (Ex. RAF XB922); 11104 (Ex. RAF XB926); 11105 (Ex. RAF XB929); 11106 (Ex. RAF XB958); 11107 (Ex. RAF XB963); 11108 (Ex. RAF XB970); 11109 (Ex. RAF XB953); 11110 (Ex. RAF XB984); 11111 (Ex. RAF XB986); 11112 (Ex. RAF XB987); 11113 (Ex. RAF XD105); 11114 (Ex. RAF XD108); 11115 (Ex. RAF XD109); 11116 (Ex. RAF XD110); 11117 (Ex. RAF XD115); 11118 (Ex. RAF XD117); 11119 (Ex. RAF XD123); 11120 (Ex. RAF XD126) i 11121 (Ex. RAF XD138). 6. Sledećih 9 aviona je korišćeno u Akro-grupi 204. puka: 11001; 11065; 11085; 11093; 11102; 11103; 11109; 11117 i 11120. 7. Za avion ev. br. 11048 postoji podatak da je izložen u Solunu sa oznakom 19494. 8. Za avion ev. br. 11072 postoji podatak da je izložen u mestu Kucura u Vojvodini. 9. Za avion ev. br. 11093 postoji podatak da je izložen u Subotici. Nalazio se na poligonu PVO, ali ga zadnje 3 – 4 godine nema. Nema ni traga da je postojao. Verovatno je završio na otpadu. 10. Za avione sledećih ev. br. je postojao podatak da su na poligonu Bošnjaci: 11090 i 11111. 11. Jedinice RV u kojima je bio raspoređen: 117. vp 05.1956. – 1963.; 204. vp 03.1958. – 1963.; 83. vp 1959. – 1964. i 94. vp 1959. – 1964. 12. Kroz VOC su u periodu od 1959. do 1966. godine za razna ispitivanja korišteni sledeći avioni: 11027; 11033 i 11066.
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« Reply #50 on: February 09, 2011, 01:51:29 pm » |
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Dragi prijatelji vidite šta nam još samo nedostaje. Ubaciti datume za raspored u jedinice za samo 78. aviona. Datum povlačenja iz službe za samo 120 aviona. I još neke sitnice i imamo ubedljivo najpreglednije i najtačnije podatke za jedan avion u RV. Sa tim stvarno možemo da budemo ponosni na naše delo.
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« Reply #51 on: February 09, 2011, 02:14:04 pm » |
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Svaka čast, najkompletniji spisak letelica F-86E do sada u nas. Mali dodatak, ne znam od kolike je ovo pomoći, ali neka stoji, naćiće svoje mesto jednog dana. Iz sastava 204 LAP na ovom tipu aviona su poginula dva pilota: 1. Poručnik Savo Vujičić 09.01.1963. 2. Kapetan I klase Rade Bojović 19.06.1963.
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« Reply #52 on: February 09, 2011, 03:37:08 pm » |
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TNT prvih 43 aviona se kod nas zvanično vode i kao F-86E-15 i to mnogo češće nego F-86 E(M). U stvari ja se baš i nesećam da sam bilo gde u zvaničnim dokumentima video oznaku F-86 E(M) ali ne znači da je nema. Neka mi m-hobby (da ne kažem MM) pomogne.
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« Reply #53 on: February 09, 2011, 05:53:00 pm » |
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Ja sam na osnovu publikacije "Jets" naveo oznaku F-86E(M). Za oznake u RCAF, RAF i USAF sam našao potvrdu, a za naše sam stavio ono što je javno publikovano. Iako je pogrešno biće verovatno brzo ispravljeno. Pretpostavljam da se vode pod North American a ne pod Canadair.
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« Reply #54 on: February 09, 2011, 06:09:36 pm » |
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U načelu se vode kao F-86E-15 ja stvarno ne mogu da tvrdi da ih nema i pod F-86E(M) ali se ja ne sećam da sam video negde takvu oznaku - što opet ništa ne znači. U stvari interesuje me u kojim dokumentima se vode pod tom drugom oznakom.
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« Reply #55 on: February 09, 2011, 10:50:17 pm » |
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Jedna nocna.
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« Reply #56 on: February 09, 2011, 11:18:30 pm » |
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TNT prvih 43 aviona se kod nas zvanično vode i kao F-86E-15 i to mnogo češće nego F-86 E(M). U stvari ja se baš i nesećam da sam bilo gde u zvaničnim dokumentima video oznaku F-86 E(M) ali ne znači da je nema. Neka mi m-hobby (da ne kažem MM) pomogne.
U pravu si: u zvanicnim dokumentima JRV i PVO svi sejbrovi vode se kao F-86E serije 10 ili 15, a kao proizvodjac se navodi Canadair Ltd. I jedna greska u serijalu koja mi je promakla (jer je u nekim spiskovima tako greskom napisano): 11044 je serijski broj 52-19457 a ne 52-19459! Milan
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« Reply #57 on: February 09, 2011, 11:43:40 pm » |
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Onda se pogrešno
11044 c/n 359 Ex USAF 52-19459 / RAF XB761 / RCAF 19459
menja u ispravno
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« Reply #58 on: February 09, 2011, 11:46:22 pm » |
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Onda se pogrešno
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Ispravljeno.
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« Reply #59 on: February 17, 2011, 07:05:14 pm » |
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Dva nosata.
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